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Is Internment on the Table?

Posted on 07/21/2005 4:58:24 PM PDT by faithincowboys

How do prevent the stop-n-go jihad that is currently going on in London from happening here? Should we have an El Al if-you're-a-Muslim-you-don't-ride standard for our planes and trains?

At the very least will those traveling on subways in this country have to carry their things in mesh, see-through carry bags like they do in many public high schools-- in reaction to Columbine-- in this Country?

Clearly, their are many terror cells, native and foreign born , in this country. Monitoring mosques, forbidding muslims entry into certain engineering programs at our universities, massive deportations of problem muslims and ,gasp, a plan for internment should be prepared by a guy like John Pointdexter for implementaion if necessary.

Internment is an option and the POTUS should seal the borders stat.


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To: July 4th
Internment was actually ruled constitutional in Korematsu v. US. It can be a justifiable military action.

Internment was always Constitutional. Korematsu was about Relocation which came about with Executive Order 9066.

101 posted on 07/21/2005 6:50:00 PM PDT by decimon
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To: combat_boots

And, until we seal the borders, internment won't help anyway. I've told the story here before of "HR's Mom and the Nazi Spy", but basically, during WWII, a very tall, blond, blue-eyed, square-jawed young man appeared at my grandma's door on the ranch they lived on near Laredo, asking for food and wanting to know where he was. My mom was very little and was clinging to the back of my grandma's skirt as she stood in the door. It was Spring, and this guy had on a winter coat beneath which he was concealing a large, boxy-shaped thing. He spoke even better Spanish than my grandmother (not an easy accomplishment) and pulled out a thick wad of American currency as he asked for food (nobody that ever stopped at her door had that kind of money). She put a biscuit and some food on a plate and pushed it out the door to him and said "no charge, just go away". When my grandpa got home from cowboying that evening, she told him about it. Later (after dark) some little boys came by to tell my grandpa they'd seen a strange man who'd built a fire in an old ruined frame of a barn and they said he was speaking a strange language into a boxy radio. My grandpa looked at my grandma and said, "I'm going to tell some of the other vaqueros (cowboys). I'll be back later." When he got home much later that night, he wouldn't talk about it except to say that they'd "taken care of it".


102 posted on 07/21/2005 6:51:54 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: faithincowboys

Hell no.
What's wrong with you?


103 posted on 07/21/2005 6:54:17 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Arghh he might have been a visitor from another world and they shot him?!

(sorry just a sci-fi episode i remember watching once)


104 posted on 07/21/2005 6:54:34 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Physicist
"America isn't an end in itself; it's a means to an end. The end is freedom."

I understand your point, but if a few nukes go off in cities, freedom is pretty seriesly at risk. Enough go off and it won't survive.

IMO, we have no alternative to eradication of Islamic terror to avoid that fate. And it needs to happen quickly.

105 posted on 07/21/2005 6:55:46 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: faithincowboys; Dashing Dasher; Allegra; King Prout; Darksheare

Fire up the kitties!!

Faithinnoonebutherself has decided to once again grace us with your stupid presence and lack of wit. Adjust fire accordingly and obliterate....


106 posted on 07/21/2005 6:55:54 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt)
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To: Lord_Baltar

she won't answer you...

she is trying to tell people like Allegra, who HAPPENS TO BE IN IRAQ, that it is a quagmire...


107 posted on 07/21/2005 6:56:26 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt)
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To: faithincowboys

you really are that stupid aren't you?


108 posted on 07/21/2005 6:58:09 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt)
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To: Physicist
I'd rather take victory off the table than the Constitution. Seriously.

Taking victory off the table means the Constitution is toast anyway. Kindly count me out of your surrender!

The question is: would you prefer we trash the Constitution temporarily in order to preserve the nation, or allow the Islamonazis to trash it permanently when they finally get us in a position from which we can't escape?

Besides, who says roundups and detainment camps are unconstitutional? Not the Supreme Court. "It should be noted, to begin with, that all legal restrictions which curtail the civil rights of a single racial group are immediately suspect. That is not to say that all such restrictions are unconstitutional. It is to say that courts must subject them to the most rigid scrutiny. Pressing public necessity may sometimes justify the existence of such restrictions; racial antagonism never can" [Supreme Court Associate Justice Hugo Black, Korematsu v. U.S., 323 U.S. 214 (1944)]. Even if they are contrary to the Constitution, in a real emergency all bets are likely to be off. If (God forbid) the terrorists someday succeed in hitting us with a WMD, you may be surprised at the steps the federal government can take to ensure the survival of the nation -- court decisions be damned. As Supreme Court Associate Justice Robert Jackson pointed out in Terminello v. City of Chicago (1949), "if the Court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact".

Congratulations on the recent addition to your family, by the way, and may God bless you and yours.

109 posted on 07/21/2005 7:00:21 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
(Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)

LOL! Who do you propose as your favored Monarch?

110 posted on 07/21/2005 7:07:23 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Physicist

Ok, send them to North Korea!


111 posted on 07/21/2005 7:08:22 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: faithincowboys
Is Internment on the Table?

For DU members ?

112 posted on 07/21/2005 7:09:20 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Lord_Baltar

Baltar worked for the Cylons didn't he?


113 posted on 07/21/2005 7:09:53 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sheik yerbouty

:) Ah, a Galactica fan!

You'd be surprised, but in all my years here on FR, you are only the 3rd person who mentioned the name connection to Galactica...


114 posted on 07/21/2005 7:11:41 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: muawiyah

The same? I think not!


115 posted on 07/21/2005 7:11:43 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: faithincowboys

Better option than internment. If you commit a terrorist act,your whole family ,cousins ,neighbors within a square mile will be arrested. All men and women 10- 99 years will be jailed. In due time,the ones we determine safe will loise their citenship and be deported to their countries of origin. The younger ones will be sent to Catholic school for conversion to Chrisianity.

All property will be confiscated abd handed over to the victums

that'll stop them


116 posted on 07/21/2005 7:21:37 PM PDT by RocketJsqurl
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To: Lord_Baltar
"Ah, so it's your determination that all Muslims are Murderers, simply on the basis of their Religion...?"

Victor Davis Hanson's response:

"Thousands of innocent civilians such as van Gogh have been murdered by Islamic extremists — in Darfur, Gaza, India, Israel, Lebanon, London, Madrid, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippines, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States. The carnage gives credence to the adage that while the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, the vast majority of global terrorists most certainly are Muslims.

117 posted on 07/21/2005 7:25:16 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: bobdsmith

well, he was SOME kind of alien--the first clue was the wool coat in spring in Laredo. I don't think anyone in Laredo even owns a coat.


118 posted on 07/21/2005 7:27:32 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Of course they're the same ~ just check out Spanish history ~ note the 500 years it was a Moslem state, and there's your answer.


119 posted on 07/21/2005 7:34:53 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: muawiyah

There is a lot of Indian blood (Mayan, Inca, etc.) in Central Americans and Mexicans, as well as European Spanish. So while it's true that there are similarities, they are not quite the same.


120 posted on 07/21/2005 7:40:30 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree

Yeah...my cousin, who is hispanic, is blond and blue-eyed like Cameron Diaz. And, no, Sancho wasn't involved--just lots of Spanish blood there.


121 posted on 07/21/2005 7:44:36 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: Sam Cree

Trick is, of course, that once the Indian population in Mexico had gotten down to the 3 mil to 5 mil mark (from it's previous high of 50 mil), the place had to be thrown open to extensive Spanish immigration ~ and it was ~ and they are still there!


122 posted on 07/21/2005 7:48:39 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Hmmmm ~ blue eyes ~~~~~~ did you check out that National Geographic of a couple of months back that had the piece on "whatever happened to the ancient Caananites" ~ lots of those fellows had blue eyes.

Many of the Arabs and Jews in Yemen not only had blue eyes, they were blond!

We have beaucoup Afghans around here (something like 90% of Afghanistan's college graduates in fact), and many of them are blond, and have blue or green eyes.

Spain's history is one filled with plentiful Arab and North African immigration.

Then, too, Spain was a Carthaginian possession and territory before it passed over to Rome in the Punic wars.

123 posted on 07/21/2005 7:53:05 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: hispanarepublicana

BTW, the Celtic high king who supported the Carthaginians against the Romans in their attempt to seize Spain was known by the Greeks as "Magolis", that is, "McWallace".


124 posted on 07/21/2005 7:55:23 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: muawiyah

One of his Grandparents is a blue-eyed German, which might also have something to do with it.
Speaking of Afghanistan, do you remember the green eyes on that girl on the cover of National Geographic? They recently went and found her (20 or 30 years later) and put her back on the cover.


125 posted on 07/21/2005 7:56:16 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: COEXERJ145
Lets just p*ss on and then burn the Constitution while we're at it.

No, I think it's going to go merrily along just the way it is, untill some crazy Islamic nutcase kills hundreds of thousands of Americans.

Then there will be plenty of pissers.

126 posted on 07/21/2005 7:57:29 PM PDT by airborne
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To: hispanarepublicana

Yes, I recall that. Striking green eyes. Silk Road people come in every variety though.


127 posted on 07/21/2005 7:59:34 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: muawiyah

The Mexicans are about 90% Amerind and only about 10% Spanish, on the average. The typical Spaniard looks quite different from the average Mexicano.


128 posted on 07/21/2005 8:18:19 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: faithincowboys

Why not? This will send a strong signal that enough is enough. We shouldn't be letting them in right now. They are Muslims first and Americans about 10th.


129 posted on 07/21/2005 8:43:39 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: expatpat
"(Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)"

LOL! Who do you propose as your favored Monarch?

Please see my profile page.

130 posted on 07/21/2005 8:49:01 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: muawiyah

You don't get it, we're not dealing with Americanized Germans. You round up their mullahs and imams and you enrage them.I still think that the violent imams should be deported or put away for life, but I recognize that such action will trigger his followers to attack. We are dealing with people whom we don't understand-- they're values, their grievances, their rage is so foreign to us. We simply can't continue to let them build a terror infrastructure in this country. How many children to their women have? The muslim population in this country is skyrocketing -- what percentage of them are actively seditious, what percentage fund the killers and what percentage are proud of the killers? Honest answers to those questions aren't pretty.


131 posted on 07/21/2005 9:10:26 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: muawiyah

You don't get it, we're not dealing with Americanized Germans. You round up their mullahs and imams and you enrage them.I still think that the violent imams should be deported or put away for life, but I recognize that such action will trigger his followers to attack. We are dealing with people whom we don't understand-- their values, their grievances, their rage is so foreign to us. We simply can't continue to let them build a terror infrastructure in this country. How many children do their women have? The muslim population in this country is skyrocketing -- what percentage of them are actively seditious, what percentage fund the killers and what percentage are proud of the killers? Honest answers to those questions aren't pretty.


132 posted on 07/21/2005 9:10:40 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: hispanarepublicana

Wow, you're so right about the borders. What an amazing story. In the coming years I fear that we won't have men like your Grandpa to do what needs to be done.


133 posted on 07/21/2005 9:12:55 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: GSlob

Don't forget big, thick, hollowed-out books.


134 posted on 07/21/2005 9:17:05 PM PDT by coydog (My bathroom djinn can beat up your bathroom djinn!)
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To: Dashing Dasher; MikeinIraq; faithincowboys
Clearly, their are many terror cells,

OK, right off the bat, I'm a tad underwhelmed...LOL

135 posted on 07/21/2005 9:47:25 PM PDT by Allegra (Less Than 30 Days Until R&R - W'HOOOO!)
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To: Lord_Baltar

So, Lord Baltar, which side are you oon?


136 posted on 07/21/2005 10:28:31 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: nopardons

Beheading? that's a hallmark of TROP.


137 posted on 07/21/2005 10:32:59 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: You Dirty Rats
So if a cop arrests a foreign college student for stealing a pizza it would be perfectly Constitutional for the cop to torture the kid to death without a trial?

If a police officer tortures a person to death, that would be a violation of the penal code and that police officer could be charged with either murder or manslaughter,

138 posted on 07/21/2005 10:44:53 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: sheik yerbouty

Well, if you're referring to the current thing pretending to be Battlestar Galactica (aka Battlesex Galactica 90210) I hope with each episode that the ship and the fleet will be blasted into end of the season oblivion.

I did have high hopes when the Cylon clone thing shot Adama, but, they brought him back. No such luck...

:)


139 posted on 07/22/2005 1:13:45 AM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: cripplecreek

I'm worried about what the GOP might reveal itself to be when the next attack on our soil happens. I mean, look at post #5. These people call themselves Republicans.


140 posted on 07/22/2005 1:17:31 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: deathb4dishoner; faithincowboys
they already have the camps set up ready to go.

An acquaintance of mine up in FEMA says the same thing.

Also, faithincowboys, we did do this once before. And not to our enhancement, but to our shame. From your posts, I think it would be more beneficial to intern you than anybody else.
141 posted on 07/22/2005 1:32:54 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: faithincowboys

German-Americans weren't exactly "Americanized Germans". I think you neglect to account for how important the Germans have been to the forming of the American character.


142 posted on 07/22/2005 5:03:59 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: faithincowboys

BTW, the Moslem population in America continues to consist mostly of African-Americans.


143 posted on 07/22/2005 5:04:30 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: expatpat
90%? True enough there are folks who look like we think Indians ought to look, but that's because we have hardly any of the real people left for comparison ~ and I don't mean pure-bloods either.

Due to Old World diseases to which Indians had no hereditary resistance, almost all American Indian populations lost anywhere from 90% to 98% people in the 1500s or 1600s, depending on when European contact occurred.

In what we now call Latin America, almost the only people to survive were those who had an European parent, e.g. a friendly, passing Conquistidore, or a good padre interested in the growth of his new flock.

African slaves were brought into many depopulated areas to work, but it wasn't all work!

The Indian population in North and South America is predominantly of mixed origins, with the greater part of that mix having its origins in Europe or Africa.

Spain became the primary source of immigrants to Mexico and El Centro America. Other sources were India itself, North Africa, Philippines, and any other place where Spanish ships regularly called and did business.

Still, there remain some Indian people who actually look Indian, but they are rare. Rather, there are large numbers of people who exhibit facial characteristics typical of their Indian ancestors, but they are otherwise of predominantly non-Indian origins.

Today your typical Mexican resembles the typical 16th Century "average Spaniard" quite well.

144 posted on 07/22/2005 5:16:01 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: faithincowboys

Well, ignoring the Constitution (which FDR did frequently), just how long do you propose interring millions of Muslims? Until they change the Koran? Until we convert them to Christianity? Forever?


145 posted on 07/22/2005 5:37:15 AM PDT by kidd
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To: muawiyah
Today your typical Mexican resembles the typical 16th Century "average Spaniard" quite well.

Well, I don't profess to know what an average 16C Spaniard looked like, but you don't know either. However, if you think that the average Mexicano looks much like the average 20C Spaniard, you haven't been to Spain.

146 posted on 07/22/2005 6:34:43 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: B-Chan

I didn't see the answer to my question in your excellent profile. Do you prefer Charlie Windsor, or a descendant of Bonnie Prince C (if there is one)?


147 posted on 07/22/2005 6:37:58 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: muawiyah
German-Americans weren't exactly "Americanized Germans". I think you neglect to account for how important the Germans have been to the forming of the American character.

There are German-American communities in Texas where the 3rd generation still speaks with a German accent and call their grandparents Opa and Oma. In the first part of the 20th century, many Germans in Texas still refused to take part in the Census and sent their kids to German-speaking schools.

148 posted on 07/22/2005 6:42:33 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: expatpat
Almost the entire under-class of 16th Century Spain emigrated to the Americas.

It was composed predominantly of Morenos, etc.

Didn't you ever wonder what really happened after the last Moslem Kingdom in Spain was deposed? It's not like all the commoners piled into ships and sailed to Morocco or Iraq. It was much more like the guys at the bottom stayed in place, converted to Christianity (since it was customary in Spain during the Reconquista to convert your religion to whatever it was the current Lord adhered to), and tried to better themselves economically.

The Discovery of America was the best thing to have ever happened to the lower socio-economic classes of Spain.

What you see in Spain today is an ethnic mix substantially different from that of the 1500s.

BTW, I know very well that the Galicians (up until the mid 1600s) and the Basques aren't terribly swarthy, if that's what you mean, but they aren't typical of the population of ancient Al Andaluz either. Never were!

149 posted on 07/22/2005 6:42:51 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: hispanarepublicana

BTW, German settlers began arriving in the 1600s. Someone who is only 3rd generation is hardly representative of the 1/4 of the American people who claim to be substantially of German ancestry.


150 posted on 07/22/2005 6:44:56 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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