Skip to comments.Is Internment on the Table?
Posted on 07/21/2005 4:58:24 PM PDT by faithincowboys
How do prevent the stop-n-go jihad that is currently going on in London from happening here? Should we have an El Al if-you're-a-Muslim-you-don't-ride standard for our planes and trains?
At the very least will those traveling on subways in this country have to carry their things in mesh, see-through carry bags like they do in many public high schools-- in reaction to Columbine-- in this Country?
Clearly, their are many terror cells, native and foreign born , in this country. Monitoring mosques, forbidding muslims entry into certain engineering programs at our universities, massive deportations of problem muslims and ,gasp, a plan for internment should be prepared by a guy like John Pointdexter for implementaion if necessary.
Internment is an option and the POTUS should seal the borders stat.
Internment was always Constitutional. Korematsu was about Relocation which came about with Executive Order 9066.
And, until we seal the borders, internment won't help anyway. I've told the story here before of "HR's Mom and the Nazi Spy", but basically, during WWII, a very tall, blond, blue-eyed, square-jawed young man appeared at my grandma's door on the ranch they lived on near Laredo, asking for food and wanting to know where he was. My mom was very little and was clinging to the back of my grandma's skirt as she stood in the door. It was Spring, and this guy had on a winter coat beneath which he was concealing a large, boxy-shaped thing. He spoke even better Spanish than my grandmother (not an easy accomplishment) and pulled out a thick wad of American currency as he asked for food (nobody that ever stopped at her door had that kind of money). She put a biscuit and some food on a plate and pushed it out the door to him and said "no charge, just go away". When my grandpa got home from cowboying that evening, she told him about it. Later (after dark) some little boys came by to tell my grandpa they'd seen a strange man who'd built a fire in an old ruined frame of a barn and they said he was speaking a strange language into a boxy radio. My grandpa looked at my grandma and said, "I'm going to tell some of the other vaqueros (cowboys). I'll be back later." When he got home much later that night, he wouldn't talk about it except to say that they'd "taken care of it".
What's wrong with you?
Arghh he might have been a visitor from another world and they shot him?!
(sorry just a sci-fi episode i remember watching once)
I understand your point, but if a few nukes go off in cities, freedom is pretty seriesly at risk. Enough go off and it won't survive.
IMO, we have no alternative to eradication of Islamic terror to avoid that fate. And it needs to happen quickly.
Fire up the kitties!!
Faithinnoonebutherself has decided to once again grace us with your stupid presence and lack of wit. Adjust fire accordingly and obliterate....
she won't answer you...
she is trying to tell people like Allegra, who HAPPENS TO BE IN IRAQ, that it is a quagmire...
you really are that stupid aren't you?
Taking victory off the table means the Constitution is toast anyway. Kindly count me out of your surrender!
The question is: would you prefer we trash the Constitution temporarily in order to preserve the nation, or allow the Islamonazis to trash it permanently when they finally get us in a position from which we can't escape?
Besides, who says roundups and detainment camps are unconstitutional? Not the Supreme Court. "It should be noted, to begin with, that all legal restrictions which curtail the civil rights of a single racial group are immediately suspect. That is not to say that all such restrictions are unconstitutional. It is to say that courts must subject them to the most rigid scrutiny. Pressing public necessity may sometimes justify the existence of such restrictions; racial antagonism never can" [Supreme Court Associate Justice Hugo Black, Korematsu v. U.S., 323 U.S. 214 (1944)]. Even if they are contrary to the Constitution, in a real emergency all bets are likely to be off. If (God forbid) the terrorists someday succeed in hitting us with a WMD, you may be surprised at the steps the federal government can take to ensure the survival of the nation -- court decisions be damned. As Supreme Court Associate Justice Robert Jackson pointed out in Terminello v. City of Chicago (1949), "if the Court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact".
Congratulations on the recent addition to your family, by the way, and may God bless you and yours.
LOL! Who do you propose as your favored Monarch?
Ok, send them to North Korea!
For DU members ?
Baltar worked for the Cylons didn't he?
:) Ah, a Galactica fan!
You'd be surprised, but in all my years here on FR, you are only the 3rd person who mentioned the name connection to Galactica...
The same? I think not!
Better option than internment. If you commit a terrorist act,your whole family ,cousins ,neighbors within a square mile will be arrested. All men and women 10- 99 years will be jailed. In due time,the ones we determine safe will loise their citenship and be deported to their countries of origin. The younger ones will be sent to Catholic school for conversion to Chrisianity.
All property will be confiscated abd handed over to the victums
that'll stop them
Victor Davis Hanson's response:
"Thousands of innocent civilians such as van Gogh have been murdered by Islamic extremists in Darfur, Gaza, India, Israel, Lebanon, London, Madrid, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippines, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey and the United States. The carnage gives credence to the adage that while the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, the vast majority of global terrorists most certainly are Muslims.
well, he was SOME kind of alien--the first clue was the wool coat in spring in Laredo. I don't think anyone in Laredo even owns a coat.
Of course they're the same ~ just check out Spanish history ~ note the 500 years it was a Moslem state, and there's your answer.
There is a lot of Indian blood (Mayan, Inca, etc.) in Central Americans and Mexicans, as well as European Spanish. So while it's true that there are similarities, they are not quite the same.
Yeah...my cousin, who is hispanic, is blond and blue-eyed like Cameron Diaz. And, no, Sancho wasn't involved--just lots of Spanish blood there.
Trick is, of course, that once the Indian population in Mexico had gotten down to the 3 mil to 5 mil mark (from it's previous high of 50 mil), the place had to be thrown open to extensive Spanish immigration ~ and it was ~ and they are still there!
Many of the Arabs and Jews in Yemen not only had blue eyes, they were blond!
We have beaucoup Afghans around here (something like 90% of Afghanistan's college graduates in fact), and many of them are blond, and have blue or green eyes.
Spain's history is one filled with plentiful Arab and North African immigration.
Then, too, Spain was a Carthaginian possession and territory before it passed over to Rome in the Punic wars.
BTW, the Celtic high king who supported the Carthaginians against the Romans in their attempt to seize Spain was known by the Greeks as "Magolis", that is, "McWallace".
One of his Grandparents is a blue-eyed German, which might also have something to do with it.
Speaking of Afghanistan, do you remember the green eyes on that girl on the cover of National Geographic? They recently went and found her (20 or 30 years later) and put her back on the cover.
No, I think it's going to go merrily along just the way it is, untill some crazy Islamic nutcase kills hundreds of thousands of Americans.
Then there will be plenty of pissers.
Yes, I recall that. Striking green eyes. Silk Road people come in every variety though.
The Mexicans are about 90% Amerind and only about 10% Spanish, on the average. The typical Spaniard looks quite different from the average Mexicano.
Why not? This will send a strong signal that enough is enough. We shouldn't be letting them in right now. They are Muslims first and Americans about 10th.
LOL! Who do you propose as your favored Monarch?
Please see my profile page.
You don't get it, we're not dealing with Americanized Germans. You round up their mullahs and imams and you enrage them.I still think that the violent imams should be deported or put away for life, but I recognize that such action will trigger his followers to attack. We are dealing with people whom we don't understand-- they're values, their grievances, their rage is so foreign to us. We simply can't continue to let them build a terror infrastructure in this country. How many children to their women have? The muslim population in this country is skyrocketing -- what percentage of them are actively seditious, what percentage fund the killers and what percentage are proud of the killers? Honest answers to those questions aren't pretty.
You don't get it, we're not dealing with Americanized Germans. You round up their mullahs and imams and you enrage them.I still think that the violent imams should be deported or put away for life, but I recognize that such action will trigger his followers to attack. We are dealing with people whom we don't understand-- their values, their grievances, their rage is so foreign to us. We simply can't continue to let them build a terror infrastructure in this country. How many children do their women have? The muslim population in this country is skyrocketing -- what percentage of them are actively seditious, what percentage fund the killers and what percentage are proud of the killers? Honest answers to those questions aren't pretty.
Wow, you're so right about the borders. What an amazing story. In the coming years I fear that we won't have men like your Grandpa to do what needs to be done.
Don't forget big, thick, hollowed-out books.
OK, right off the bat, I'm a tad underwhelmed...LOL
So, Lord Baltar, which side are you oon?
Beheading? that's a hallmark of TROP.
If a police officer tortures a person to death, that would be a violation of the penal code and that police officer could be charged with either murder or manslaughter,
Well, if you're referring to the current thing pretending to be Battlestar Galactica (aka Battlesex Galactica 90210) I hope with each episode that the ship and the fleet will be blasted into end of the season oblivion.
I did have high hopes when the Cylon clone thing shot Adama, but, they brought him back. No such luck...
I'm worried about what the GOP might reveal itself to be when the next attack on our soil happens. I mean, look at post #5. These people call themselves Republicans.
German-Americans weren't exactly "Americanized Germans". I think you neglect to account for how important the Germans have been to the forming of the American character.
BTW, the Moslem population in America continues to consist mostly of African-Americans.
Due to Old World diseases to which Indians had no hereditary resistance, almost all American Indian populations lost anywhere from 90% to 98% people in the 1500s or 1600s, depending on when European contact occurred.
In what we now call Latin America, almost the only people to survive were those who had an European parent, e.g. a friendly, passing Conquistidore, or a good padre interested in the growth of his new flock.
African slaves were brought into many depopulated areas to work, but it wasn't all work!
The Indian population in North and South America is predominantly of mixed origins, with the greater part of that mix having its origins in Europe or Africa.
Spain became the primary source of immigrants to Mexico and El Centro America. Other sources were India itself, North Africa, Philippines, and any other place where Spanish ships regularly called and did business.
Still, there remain some Indian people who actually look Indian, but they are rare. Rather, there are large numbers of people who exhibit facial characteristics typical of their Indian ancestors, but they are otherwise of predominantly non-Indian origins.
Today your typical Mexican resembles the typical 16th Century "average Spaniard" quite well.
Well, ignoring the Constitution (which FDR did frequently), just how long do you propose interring millions of Muslims? Until they change the Koran? Until we convert them to Christianity? Forever?
Well, I don't profess to know what an average 16C Spaniard looked like, but you don't know either. However, if you think that the average Mexicano looks much like the average 20C Spaniard, you haven't been to Spain.
I didn't see the answer to my question in your excellent profile. Do you prefer Charlie Windsor, or a descendant of Bonnie Prince C (if there is one)?
There are German-American communities in Texas where the 3rd generation still speaks with a German accent and call their grandparents Opa and Oma. In the first part of the 20th century, many Germans in Texas still refused to take part in the Census and sent their kids to German-speaking schools.
It was composed predominantly of Morenos, etc.
Didn't you ever wonder what really happened after the last Moslem Kingdom in Spain was deposed? It's not like all the commoners piled into ships and sailed to Morocco or Iraq. It was much more like the guys at the bottom stayed in place, converted to Christianity (since it was customary in Spain during the Reconquista to convert your religion to whatever it was the current Lord adhered to), and tried to better themselves economically.
The Discovery of America was the best thing to have ever happened to the lower socio-economic classes of Spain.
What you see in Spain today is an ethnic mix substantially different from that of the 1500s.
BTW, I know very well that the Galicians (up until the mid 1600s) and the Basques aren't terribly swarthy, if that's what you mean, but they aren't typical of the population of ancient Al Andaluz either. Never were!
BTW, German settlers began arriving in the 1600s. Someone who is only 3rd generation is hardly representative of the 1/4 of the American people who claim to be substantially of German ancestry.