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Reality and Islam
Jewish World Review ^ | July 22, 2005 | Diana West

Posted on 07/22/2005 7:39:06 AM PDT by jan in Colorado

By refusing to confront the truth we are not only deluding, but hurting, ourselves

http://www.JewishWorldReview.com On Monday, I outlined the problem of the age: the incompatibility of Islam with a multicultural West that hides away inconvenient history and disturbing doctrine under layers of political correctness. Without stripping them off to examine the problem, all we get is a lot of wishful thinking.

Historian Niall Ferguson, writing in the Telegraph on the intensifying "Muslim colonization" of Europe, has decided that such "demographic shifts" are not "invariably a bad thing." After all, seven centuries of jihad-imposed dhimmitude for infidels in Muslim Spain gave us the Alhambra, or something. It's that pesky "ideology" of conquest that follows all the shifting that's the problem — something he thinks European Muslims ought to take "a much closer look at." Really stern stuff.

Over at the Boston Globe, a lefty editorial mantra turns culture clash into harmonic convergence: "European Muslims and non-Muslims must learn to live together. Each will have to practice the tolerance that [Theo van Gogh] assassin Bouyeri proudly scorned." They must, must they? As sharia law becomes a democratic option, who will enforce such tolerance?

As conservatives, JWR columnist Charles Krauthammer and blogger-cum-radio host Hugh Hewitt still fight the good fight, but, in these multicultural days, that means sorting through "extremism" and finding nothing too terribly Islamic about it. Mr. Hewitt writes that my arguments of last week were wrong, citing "functioning democracies in Turkey and other predominantly Islamic countries" as evidence of Islamo-Western compatibility. He throws in the loyal host ("millions of loyal British and American citizens") for good measure.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 07/22/2005 7:39:06 AM PDT by jan in Colorado
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To: jan in Colorado
Isn't it time to crack things open?

Yes, and each act of terrorism brings Islam a step closer to realizing its death wish.

2 posted on 07/22/2005 7:53:41 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: jan in Colorado

Hugh Hewitt's political correct head-in-the-sandism makes him either stunningly uninformed or just plain lying.


3 posted on 07/22/2005 7:58:36 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: layman

And it can't die soon enough!


4 posted on 07/22/2005 8:01:23 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: USF; Fred Nerks; Dark Skies; Former Dodger; Cornpone; ariamne; AmericanArchConservative; ...
The reality is... Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace!

"Bin Laden, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and the murderers of Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg will remain bona fide members of the Muslim faith, as long as they do not explicitly renounce it."

5 posted on 07/22/2005 8:09:59 AM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: jan in Colorado

It is impossible to renounce jihad against infidels without renouncing the teachings of Muhammad. Without Muhammad there is no Islam. This is the catch 22 of Islam.

It is those who renounce jihad against infidels who in reality have hijacked Muhammad's religion.


6 posted on 07/22/2005 8:13:47 AM PDT by OK
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To: jan in Colorado
Islam is a totalitarian political movement as well as a religion, unfortunately. Turkey is the most democratic of islamic countries, but this should hardly inspire optimism. As the article notes:

Problem is, the extent to which Turkey — where, just incidentally, "Mein Kampf" was a top 10 bestseller this spring — has ever functioned as a democracy is directly related to the efforts of a strong man, Ataturk...

7 posted on 07/22/2005 8:16:57 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: OK
Without Muhammad there is no Islam.

What a wonderful thing that would be!

8 posted on 07/22/2005 8:17:11 AM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: jan in Colorado
Which leaves conservative Muslims, liberal Muslims and everybody else between a rock and hard place. Isn't it time to crack things open?

YES.

Islam has two choices. Reform or be destroyed.

9 posted on 07/22/2005 8:18:22 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF
Islam has two choices. Reform or be destroyed.

After seeing the all hatred, violence, misogyny and outright barbarism done in the name of allah, one wonders why all of those moderate muslims aren't questioning the merits of their religion...You'd think it'd dawn on them that maybe islam should be discarded in favor of a more enlightened faith.

10 posted on 07/22/2005 8:29:16 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: teawithmisswilliams
"You'd think it'd dawn on them that maybe islam should be discarded in favor of a more enlightened faith."

No faith at all would be a move in the right direction, for even the faithless have a law unto themselves which is more in harmony with the natural order of things than the perversions of Islam.

11 posted on 07/22/2005 8:57:36 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: teawithmisswilliams
one wonders why all of those moderate muslims aren't questioning the merits of their religion...

LOL. Perhaps it's because the "true believers" simply accuse them of engaging in bidah and they end up on the wrong side of the prophecy of the 72 sects...

12 posted on 07/22/2005 8:59:18 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF

"Islam has two choices. Reform or be destroyed."

In fact, there can be no reform of true Islam. That would necessitate the denouncing of the so-called prophet and his self-serving skewering of stolen scripture. Ergo, Islam must be destroyed. There is no other way.


13 posted on 07/22/2005 9:27:56 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1
Agree... see my #12.

Either way, MohamMADs cult is doomed. ;o)

14 posted on 07/22/2005 9:33:49 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: tkathy; jan in Colorado; USF; Fred Nerks; Dark Skies; Former Dodger; Cornpone; ariamne; ...
The question is :

Is Islam a peaceful religion that has been "hi-jacked by terror," or is it a religion of hi-jackers who use terror as a tool of conversion?

If we apply the handy old "80-20" rule to the 13-century history of Islam, the answer: 80% of the time, and that's a charitable estimate;

"Islam is a religion of hi-jackers who use terror as a tool of conversion."

The political leaders of the West cannot deal with this because they (quite idiotically) fear an enormous populist anti-Muslim backlash that will spiral out of control and take them down with it. Hence this "hi-jacked ROP" nonsense. It would be far more sensible to restrict Muslim immigration to the West, and immediately deport those here illegally (1) and deport those who espouse radical beliefs or urge the death of "infidels."(2)

This may be achieved by some success of the very nationalistic parties in Europe, but it ain't gonna be pretty.

15 posted on 07/22/2005 9:51:56 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: OK

Muhammad's religion is no religion I'm familiar with. The ONLY thing coming out of it is hatred and violence. The Crusaders were RIGHT!!!


16 posted on 07/22/2005 9:53:14 AM PDT by Jazzman1
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To: teawithmisswilliams
After seeing the all hatred, violence, misogyny and outright barbarism done in the name of allah, one wonders why all of those moderate muslims aren't questioning the merits of their religion...You'd think it'd dawn on them that maybe islam should be discarded in favor of a more enlightened faith.

The spiritual answer is that they're blinded by Satan. That's a little too black and white for the PC crowd, however...the bulk of which are non to anti-religionists.

17 posted on 07/22/2005 10:26:12 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: jan in Colorado
BTTT

islam explained

18 posted on 07/22/2005 11:03:43 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: highlander_UW; teawithmisswilliams
The spiritual answer is that they're blinded by Satan.

EXACTLY!

"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 1 Timothy 4:1-2

19 posted on 07/22/2005 11:05:47 AM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: Jazzman1

As someone who just discovered I have Crusaders in my family tree, I can say- they didn't finish the job when it came to Muslims.
This time- until there are no more, until Islam joins the other evil cults of history and mention of the word is the most foul a human can utter.


20 posted on 07/22/2005 2:39:22 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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