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Group Aims to Save Rattlesnakes in New York Park
The Center for North American Herpetology ^ | 7/22/05 | CNAH

Posted on 07/22/2005 10:42:25 AM PDT by GreenFreeper

Group Aims to Save Rattlesnakes in New York Park

Westport, New York: The ponytailed environmentalist hiked down the ridge, over the gray rocks and matted brown leaves, stopped among the hardwoods, and said, "Right down the side, it's prime country here."

The warm, southeast-facing rock cliffs overlooking Lake Champlain mark the northern limit of the Timber Rattlesnake's habitat. Jaime Ethier, in boots and jeans, was bushwhacking from Champlain Palisades down to the pebbled shores of the lake - through terrain where he wouldn't see a coiled dark snake unless he nearly stepped on it. The Adirondack Council conservation director appeared unconcerned. He kept going off the trail to peer into crevices likely to hold a den of poisonous reptiles, whose spiky tails make the telltale rattle or buzzing sound when disturbed. He'd met a rattlesnake almost two years earlier in this forest 110 miles north of Albany and wanted to see another. Ethier was out of luck on a day of overcast skies and temperatures in the mid-50s, probably still too cool for the snakes.

Ethier's group wants to undo state conservation plans to allow mountain bikes in this neck of the 6-million-acre Adirondack Park, afraid cyclists will kill rattlers. Protected by state law, rattlers are considered a threatened species in New York, where bounties that led to their widespread killing were outlawed in 1971. State wildlife officials estimate New York has 3,000 to 6,000 rattlesnakes left, mostly around the Hudson Highlands and a dozen Adirondack dens.

But the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service has declined to list them under the federal Endangered Species Act. "There are so few statewide, we feel that losing one or two to a mountain bike would be a tragedy," explained John Sheehan, the council's spokesman. With more than 1,000 miles of trails and primitive roads already open to mountain bikes in the park, the group sees no need to add "recreational conflicts" to the rattlesnake's diminishing range.

Cyclists counter that riding on 5 miles of trails in the Split Rock Mountain Wild Forest will do little harm. "It's a low probability that a biker's going to run a snake over," said Paul Capone, trail coordinator for the Adirondack Park Mountain Biking Initiative. "I'm sure there are rattlesnakes in that area, but for the most part I would say they prefer the habitat on the rocky open areas where bikes will not be riding." Bikes are allowed in 1.3 million acres of Adirondack wild forest and excluded from 1 million acres of more primitive wilderness areas. But as state officials issue new forest conservation plans, cyclists are losing ground. At Split Rock Mountain, they're being kept off trails down to the shoreline. "The reason people like to go there is access to Lake Champlain," Capone said. "It's kind of a critical time for mountain biking."

Wildlife biologists say it's also a critical time for Timber Rattlesnakes, whose bite is seldom fatal to humans (they don't always inject venom). Fear, misunderstanding, development sprawl and their attraction as dead curios or live pets have shrunk numbers, habitat and prospects. Timber Rattlesnakes are found in rugged terrain and hardwood forests from east Texas to southern Wisconsin, and from north Florida to a spot in New Hampshire. Believed gone entirely from Maine and Rhode Island, they are considered threatened or endangered in the Northeast except Pennsylvania, which has licensed hunting.

Rattlers hibernate in winter and are active from about May through September. Females start reproducing at age 8 or 9, giving birth to litters of five to 12 every few years. They mate in late August. "Given their low reproductive rate along with a high mortality rate of young, as well as being killed or captured by humans, the Timber Rattlesnake is in serious trouble in the Northeast," James Beemer, a civilian Defense Department biologist, wrote in a 2001 study.

With no reports of snake-cyclist incidents in the Tongue Mountain Range above Lake George, where mountain biking is allowed on certain trails away from the dens, the state Department of Environmental Conservation says it expects none above Lake Champlain either but will monitor it. Rattlers have not been responsible for any fatalities in New York for decades. Unless you try to pick up or harass one, you stand a better chance of being struck by lightning than bitten, Beemer said.

After studying Timber Rattlesnakes for more than a decade on the U.S. Military Academy's reserve in the Hudson Highlands, he notes that the ambush hunters are deadly to mice, chipmunks and squirrels but are "extremely shy" of humans and will hide or try to leave unnoticed.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: adirondacks; eco; ecology; endangered; environment; esa; herps; rattlesnakes; snakes
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Sounds a little overboard to me given the activity of these snakes!

1 posted on 07/22/2005 10:42:29 AM PDT by GreenFreeper
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To: NormsRevenge; forester; Carry_Okie; editor-surveyor; Issaquahking; madfly; freestyle; Outland; ...

eco-ping


2 posted on 07/22/2005 10:44:35 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: GreenFreeper

How stupid can people get?


3 posted on 07/22/2005 10:47:00 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: GreenFreeper

I think that they should be re-introduced to Central Park.


4 posted on 07/22/2005 10:58:27 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

now that would be interesting!


5 posted on 07/22/2005 11:00:08 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: GreenFreeper

6 posted on 07/22/2005 11:02:37 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: GreenFreeper
First it was trucks.

Then it was Snowmobiles and ATV's.

Then it was minor league stuff with horses.

Now it's BIKES!

be prepared for no-walkin zones hikers,join the club!

7 posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:35 AM PDT by Minnesoootan
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To: GreenFreeper

While I agree that rattles arent particularly aggressive unless provoked or suprised. Its rather silly to harbor deadly species in such a heavily used public park.


8 posted on 07/22/2005 11:10:10 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Puppage

That one example an "endangered feces"


9 posted on 07/22/2005 11:10:19 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Minnesoootan

They'll be locked up and gated soon if the anti-human crowd has their way.


10 posted on 07/22/2005 11:10:30 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: Minnesoootan

They start running short of buzz tails out there they can just give us a holler!!! We have more then we can use out here in Colorado and Wyoming. Must warn em though they are very disloyal as pets. We have had a few idiots keep em in terrariums that have been bitten by their own snakes.


11 posted on 07/22/2005 11:12:54 AM PDT by Sterco
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To: mylife
While I agree that rattles arent particularly aggressive unless provoked or suprised. Its rather silly to harbor deadly species in such a heavily used public park.

Certainly true, but I get tired of the "no personal responsibility" crowd. Let's face it, biking, rock climbing, swimming, just about any outdoor activity is dangerous. Today it seems you can't even hike in a natural area without a bizilion signs indicating the potential dangers for fear of a lawsuit. You need only 1 sign, "Enter at your own risk". Humans are a smart bunch, they will catch on!

12 posted on 07/22/2005 11:15:42 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: mylife

First, it's 6 MILLION acres. Second, the more snakes, bears, lions, chupacabre, etc... you have in the outdoors the more likely they are to weed out the stupid for us...


13 posted on 07/22/2005 11:18:03 AM PDT by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: GreenFreeper

"Enter at your own risk"

I agree, but wouldnt elevate animal status over human status either.


14 posted on 07/22/2005 11:23:41 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Axenolith
First, it's 6 MILLION acres. Second, the more snakes, bears, lions, chupacabre, etc... you have in the outdoors the more likely they are to weed out the stupid for us...

Couldn't agree more!!! I'm captive breeding some Chupacabras to release in the wild as we speak. They love these....


15 posted on 07/22/2005 11:25:18 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: Axenolith

They gots chupacabras in NY too? :)


16 posted on 07/22/2005 11:25:36 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: GreenFreeper

Grew up in Oklahoma and Colorado. Enough of these buggers there for the entire US as far as I'm concerned. I still automatically check out sunwarmed rocks for slitherheads.


17 posted on 07/22/2005 11:26:52 AM PDT by Roses0508 (Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity.)
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To: GreenFreeper

Oh, Lord......enviros try to "save" the Rattlesnake and here in my area we have festivals solely for the purpose of rounding up and killing them.
These must be the same people who had a big problem with the Texas Boll Weevil ERADICATION law, because of the word "eradicate", when the weevil has no predators and lives only to ruin fields of cotton. Must be the same folks who outlawed DDT and now we're over run with skeeters.
Sheesh.


18 posted on 07/22/2005 11:27:31 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: BenLurkin

I don't think the animal rights-envirowacko crowd has reached their potential for stupidity yet.


19 posted on 07/22/2005 11:27:58 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: GreenFreeper

I ran across a timber rattler in a State Park about half way up Lake George, NY. My sister and I were using this rope swing to jump into the lake from this cliff and then we heard the tell tale rattle and we both jumped and did not go back up. I was actually shocked that there were any rattlers that far North, but I have been know to be wrong on a few rare occasions.


20 posted on 07/22/2005 11:28:12 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: Puppage

Perfect!


21 posted on 07/22/2005 11:29:05 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: mylife

Only near the goat herds!


22 posted on 07/22/2005 11:33:18 AM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: GreenFreeper

Clinton and Schumer were in the park??


23 posted on 07/22/2005 11:53:36 AM PDT by beethovenfan
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To: Puppage

I say take Upchuck and Hitlery the Heinous Harridan on a nature walk and leave them to fend for themselves! And may the best reptile win!!


24 posted on 07/22/2005 11:56:59 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: beethovenfan
Snakes and Schumer do not belong in the same sentence!!
25 posted on 07/22/2005 11:58:47 AM PDT by GreenFreeper (FM me to be added to the Eco-Ping List)
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To: beethovenfan
Bell bugs are not protected here. I don't kill any that I don't see. All the rest are dead.
I use stock dogs out in open country. My dogs are very valuable and the snakes are my biggest concern for their safety. I even have revolvers that were purchased for the single purpose of rattle snake eradication. If you want to save the rattle snakes come and get them and take them home with you, but when I see them they are history.
26 posted on 07/22/2005 12:01:29 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: BenLurkin

Quite soon, the larva of the common house fly will have more rights than an unborn human!


27 posted on 07/22/2005 12:06:43 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: GreenFreeper

hmmmm wonder if one is shumer and one is clinton????

Could be they invited kerry; kennedy; durbin; dingy hairy; and the group to join them....

If this is the case, best shut down the Park, if one of these things bite you, you could turn into a loony-lib for sure....


28 posted on 07/22/2005 12:15:29 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 (I have a ? for the libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own dope, plant a lib")
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To: GreenFreeper; 1Old Pro; aardvark1; a_federalist; abner; alaskanfan; alloysteel; alfons; ...
" afraid cyclists will kill rattlers."

This guy is a lunatick!

We need a bounty on environmentalists

29 posted on 07/22/2005 1:04:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor

Every liberal needs one for a personal pet.


30 posted on 07/22/2005 1:06:36 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: GreenFreeper
THanks, for the snake/reptile Ping. :D
31 posted on 07/22/2005 1:24:28 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: editor-surveyor

BTTT!!!!!!


32 posted on 07/22/2005 1:27:10 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Minnesoootan
Don't laugh - it's already been set up -

According to the GBA, reserves would include wilderness areas and national parks while inner buffer zones would permit no agriculture, no more than 0.5 miles of road per square mile of land, primitive camping, and only light selection harvesting of forests. The June 25, 1993 issue of Science magazine reports that the plan calls for 23.4% of the land to be put into wilderness (no human use) and 26.2% into corridors and human buffer zones (very limited use by humans).

Return to the Wilderness

The Wildlands Project is a massive program for restructuring society around nature as the organizing principle. The concept is Foreman's, but the plan was developed by Dr. Reed Noss under grants from The Nature Conservancy and the National Audubon Society. It was first published in Wild Earth, a publication of the Cenozoic Society, of which Foreman is chairman. Funded by the Ira Hiti Foundation for Deep Ecology, 75,000 copies of the plan were produced and distributed. The Wildlands Project was set up as a corporation with offices in Arizona and Oregon; Foreman is Chairman of the Board; Reed Noss is a Director.

Working in tandem with the Wildlands Project is the Biosphere Reserve Program, a creation of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, Cultural Organization (UNESCO). The objective of the program, conceived in 1971, has been to designate sites worldwide for preservation and to protect the biodiversity of chosen sites on a global level. Toward that end, the Sierra Club has redrawn the map of North America into 21 "bioregions."

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In turn, each of the 21 bioregions has been divided into three zones:

(1) Wilderness area, designated as habitat of plants and animals. Human habitation, use, or intrusion is forbidden.

(2) Buffer zones surrounding the wilderness areas. Limited, and strictly controlled, human access is permitted within this zone.

(3) Cooperation zones, the only zones where humans will be permitted to live.

According to Dr. Michael Coffman of Environmental Perspectives, Inc., a strategy to implement reserves and corridors in the northern Rockies would be to:

1) Start with a seemingly innocent-sounding program like the "World Heritage Areas in Danger." Bring all human activity under regulation in a 14-18 million acre buffer zone around Yellowstone National Park.

2) Next, declare all federal land (except Indian reservations) as buffers, along with private land within federal administration boundaries.

3) Next, extend the U.S. Heritage corridor buffer zone concept along major river systems. Begin to convert critical federal lands and ecosystems to reserves.

4) Finally, convert all U.S. Forest Service, grasslands, and wildlife refuges to reserves. Add missing reserves and corridors so that 50 percent of landscape is preserved. [Based on United Nations World Heritage Program; United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity, Article 8a-e; United Nations Global Biodiversity Assessment, Section 10.4.2.2.3; U.S. Man and the Biosphere Strategic Plan (1994 draft); U.S. Heritage Corridors Program; and "The Wildlands Project," (published in Wild Earth, Dec. 1992). Also, see Science, "The High Cost of Biodiversity," Vol. 280, June 25, 1993, pp.1868-1871.]
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Click here for the whole story....including the map that refused to come up on this post. People are asleep at the wheel as we have America stolen from Americans!


33 posted on 07/22/2005 1:51:17 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Islam is a religion of peace...POS! The muslim community refuses to stop its radicals !.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Agreed. See my post #33 with the links to continue to steal from America.


34 posted on 07/22/2005 1:53:04 PM PDT by Issaquahking (Islam is a religion of peace...POS! The muslim community refuses to stop its radicals !.)
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To: editor-surveyor; GreenFreeper

All they need to do is introduce king snakes. Bye bye rattle snakes : )


35 posted on 07/22/2005 2:06:15 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (UR 0wN3D: USSC-2005)
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To: Issaquahking

Jeez, three quarters of that map is bright red.


36 posted on 07/22/2005 2:09:10 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (UR 0wN3D: USSC-2005)
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To: GreenFreeper; neverdem; rmlew; Cacique

I used to hang out at Pelham Bay Park when I lived in the Bronx, where "Rattlesnake Brook" is located. It seems that Bronx was crawling with rattlesnakes well into the 19th century when the locals let their pigs at them (the Bronx had a lot of pig farms in those days).


37 posted on 07/22/2005 2:11:37 PM PDT by Clemenza (JJesus CChrist MMade SSeattle UUnder PProtest)
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To: Puppage; Zacs Mom



38 posted on 07/22/2005 2:16:22 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: GreenFreeper; ThreePuttinDude; Beth528; SMARTY; CyberAnt; nothingnew; Cornpone; ...

Democrats in NY park!


39 posted on 07/22/2005 2:18:13 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

40 posted on 07/22/2005 2:37:10 PM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Issaquahking
Interesting map! Incredible, actually! I'd hear about this but hadn't actually seen the map before - thanks for posting the link to it.

Hmmmmmm - I see they plan to shut down Salem.

41 posted on 07/22/2005 2:39:17 PM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: editor-surveyor

Ditto.


42 posted on 07/22/2005 2:43:08 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: GreenFreeper

It's true these critters reproduce very slowly and take a lot of time to recover from decimations in its population, but I still have a problem choosing rattlesnakes over people.

Well, OK, it depends on which people; if I have only terrorists to choose from, give me a rattlesnake any day. At least I know what it's going to do.


43 posted on 07/22/2005 3:45:29 PM PDT by Marauder (Those who target innocent civilians are evil incarnate.)
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To: hispanarepublicana
here in my area we have festivals solely for the purpose of rounding up and killing them.

I know about the Rattlesnake Roundups in Freer and San Patricio; where else in Texas does that happen? Abilene? Sweetwater?

I know there are plenty of rattlers around here if Noo Yawk wants to come get some.

44 posted on 07/22/2005 3:53:36 PM PDT by Marauder (Those who target innocent civilians are evil incarnate.)
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To: Marauder

Sweetwater is the one I'm familar with, although there are small local roundups in just about every town off the Caprock.


45 posted on 07/22/2005 4:05:06 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: Zacs Mom; Mrs Zip; BOBWADE

Whoooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


46 posted on 07/22/2005 4:36:32 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans (NRA))))
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To: zip
lol - that's a real "Fear Factor" challenge, huh?!
47 posted on 07/22/2005 4:41:58 PM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: GreenFreeper

NITWITS!!!! Before we were married, my husband worked for the county weed dept. and they would catch,kill and freeze rattlesnakes all summer long. Then at the end of summer bbq, they would cook the stupid things. Yup, he tried to tell me they taste 'just like chicken'. That piece of meat didn't get close to my lips. Yuck.


48 posted on 07/22/2005 4:46:26 PM PDT by Cate
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To: GreenFreeper

Anytime someone uses the word sprawl I know which side of the fence they're on.


49 posted on 07/22/2005 4:59:32 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Zacs Mom; Mrs Zip; BOBWADE

Eons ago (1963) I was stationed at Ft Bragg, NC and we had a king snake named George. who we fed small Cottonmouths. Sometimes it took two or three trips to the river to find one but was worth the effort. Poisonous snakes never bothered me BUT OMG, a den like that would have me running a 4 minute mile away from there. lol


50 posted on 07/22/2005 5:45:14 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans (NRA))))
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