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NYers to NYPD: 'I Do Not Consent to Being Searched'
The Village Voice ^ | July 21st, 200 | by Chisun Lee

Posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:07 AM PDT by BigFinn


Spend $16.99 so you can wear this to your grave

Reacting to the NYPD's announcement Thursday afternoon that police would randomly—but routinely—search the bags of commuters, one concerned New Yorker quickly created a way for civil libertarians to make their views black-and-white. In a few outraged moments, local immigrant rights activist Tony Lu designed t-shirts bearing the text, "i do not consent to being searched." The minimalist protest-wear can be purchased here, in various styles and sizes. (Lu will not get a cut. The shirts' manufacture, sale, and shipment, will be handled by the online retailer. Lu encourages budget-conscious New Yorkers to make their own and wear them everywhere.)

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly had announced the legally obvious—that New Yorkers are free to decline a search and "turn around and leave." But Lu, who is a lawyer at Urban Justice Center, warned that even well-intentioned cops could interpret people's natural nervousness or anger as "reasonable suspicion." The possibility of unjustified interrogation and even arrest is real, Lu said.

Although police promised they would not engage in racial profiling, Lu said that, as with all street-level policing, people of color and poor immigrants would be particularly vulnerable, especially if encounters lead to arrests.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baaaaa; libertarianfools; nonprofiling; nothintohidehere; nyc; nypd; sheeple; stupidliberals; tshirt; villagevoiceisarag; wot
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I just love to expose the stupidity and navite of the luny left. Enjoy.
1 posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:09 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: BigFinn

Fine. Then the cops do not consent to let them on the subway.

Moonbats.


2 posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:59 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: BigFinn

"Spend $16.99 so you can wear this to your grave"

That pretty much says it...


3 posted on 07/22/2005 11:08:26 AM PDT by milford421
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To: SandyInSeattle

Imagine their fat butts walking anywhere


4 posted on 07/22/2005 11:08:32 AM PDT by bannedfromdu
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To: BigFinn
I live in NYC and I have friends who are cops.

They totally hate this, and think this is one of the dumbest things they have ever been asked to do.

5 posted on 07/22/2005 11:09:59 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: BigFinn

if ya have nothin' to hide; then ya have no reason to object...

maybe the ACLU & the Village Voice would finally wake up to the fact that WE ARE AT WAR if the camel jockeys dropped off one of their infamous IED's at their offices in NYC...
hmmmmmmm


6 posted on 07/22/2005 11:10:01 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: BigFinn

It would make more of a statement if they just wore "I CONSENT TO BEING BOMBED" T-shirts.


7 posted on 07/22/2005 11:10:08 AM PDT by inkling
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To: BigFinn

yeah, well, no shortage of that sentiment here. Moonbats is a pretty apt description.


8 posted on 07/22/2005 11:11:21 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: kellynla
if ya have nothin' to hide; then ya have no reason to object...

Dangerous thinking.

9 posted on 07/22/2005 11:12:38 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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To: kellynla
You know who they would be blaming if it happened -- Bush.
10 posted on 07/22/2005 11:13:48 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Sonny M

They can resign the nypd if they want.


11 posted on 07/22/2005 11:14:04 AM PDT by I see my hands
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To: Sonny M

they had better start taking it more seriously - because telling citizens to "report suspicious people" and call an 800 number, is about 100 times dumber then having the police be watchful and picking out people to search.


12 posted on 07/22/2005 11:14:29 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: BigFinn

As a New Yorker, I consent to anything that will make me safer. Of course, I don't travel with handcuffs, tubes of K-Y jelly, and a French maid's uniform in my briefcase as many Village Voice readers do.


13 posted on 07/22/2005 11:14:42 AM PDT by RedRover
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To: Sonny M

In N.Y. I think it would be safer for the community if the cops went around checking diplomatic crates, boxes, and pouches, not to mention diplomats. (dogs from the U.N.)


14 posted on 07/22/2005 11:15:03 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: BigFinn

I just can't wait till one of these bozos wears one of these to the airport.


15 posted on 07/22/2005 11:15:16 AM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: Sonny M
I live in NYC and I have friends who are cops. They totally hate this, and think this is one of the dumbest things they have ever been asked to do.

But the London bobbies are apparently on the job.

16 posted on 07/22/2005 11:16:39 AM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: Sonny M

"I have friends who are cops.They totally hate this, and think this is one of the dumbest things they have ever been asked to do."

maybe your "friends the cops" would rather pick up pieces of human flesh and place them in an evidence bag?
hmmmmmmm


quite the contrary, although I don't believe a word you said about cops not wanting to "protect and serve" by checking bags; the "dumbest thing" I've heard is your post!


17 posted on 07/22/2005 11:17:18 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Sonny M

How about start training a bunch of bomb-sniffing dogs? Park a couple, with handlers, at every entrance to the subway, or any other pinch-point.


18 posted on 07/22/2005 11:17:29 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: SandyInSeattle
"Fine. Then the cops do not consent to let them on the subway. "

I agree. Such lunacy! I would think this would draw more attention to yourself? Why not just instruct everyone to wear a big backpack filled up with wadded-up newspapers and with wires hanging out, with the pack dripping coke on the floor, and with melted Limburger cheese smeared on the outside?
19 posted on 07/22/2005 11:17:41 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: BigFinn

20 posted on 07/22/2005 11:17:42 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: RedRover

And that's just the male readers! ;-)


21 posted on 07/22/2005 11:17:54 AM PDT by Millee (So you're a feminist......isn't that cute??)
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To: BigFinn

If they make a Spanish and Arabic version, it'll be easier to spot the bad guys.


22 posted on 07/22/2005 11:18:58 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: BigFinn

Boy that was fast! Just another guy trying to make a buck...


23 posted on 07/22/2005 11:19:03 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: I see my hands
They can resign the nypd if they want.

They like being cops and doing the right thing, but they do have the brains to realize this is going to be a cluster*&ck and a half, if they stop arabs or muslims, or anyone not white, they'll get in trouble and if they stop white folks and that person files a complain, they'll still get in trouble.

Its asking someone to do the job with one hand behind your back, they already know how this turns out, and they also know how confrontational folks are over the dumbest things.

NYC is lucky no one becomes a cop for the money, you actually have got to want to do this, no one, ever becomes a cop in this city because of the pay or benefits.

24 posted on 07/22/2005 11:19:14 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
They totally hate this, and think this is one of the dumbest things they have ever been asked to do.

Do they have any thoughts on more effective tactics? Perhaps they need to express those thoughts to their commanders.

25 posted on 07/22/2005 11:19:35 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: beltfed308

Scary thinking there my friend.


26 posted on 07/22/2005 11:19:36 AM PDT by Radio_Silence
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To: BigFinn

You can save money on letters and just write "I Support Terrorism" on your shirt.


27 posted on 07/22/2005 11:19:38 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dean won't call Osama guilty without a trial, but DeLay and Rove should be in jail)
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To: BigFinn
I hope they send a free one to Juanita Broadrick.
28 posted on 07/22/2005 11:20:12 AM PDT by jigsaw (Only morons believe the root cause of terrorism is our fight against terrorism.)
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To: BigFinn

Not a problem. But you forfeit the right to complain if a bomb goes off in the subway.


29 posted on 07/22/2005 11:20:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: SandyInSeattle

Walk... or should you try and force your way on... DIE!


30 posted on 07/22/2005 11:20:25 AM PDT by johnny7 (Racially-profiling since 1963)
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To: BigFinn

And these will be the first idiots to whine that they're not being protected if something ever did happen. Not only whine, but sue. They're nothing but parasites.


31 posted on 07/22/2005 11:20:42 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: kellynla
if ya have nothin' to hide; then ya have no reason to object...

You're right!

I wonder why the framers of the Constitution didn't realize that?

</sarcasm>

32 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Random searches are, without doubt, unreasonable, meaning it cannot be reasoned that they will detect bombers by random searches.

Therefore, they are a violation of the 5th Amendment.

If your respect for the Constitution is so low that you consider anyone who stands up for it a moonbat, then you're . . .

(remainder of sentence self-censored)


33 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:05 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: RedRover
As a New Yorker, I consent to anything that will make me safer

Of course, you do realize there's nothing in this scheme that actually will make you safer, right?

34 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:06 AM PDT by gdani (While terrorists are busy planning the *next* attacks we work to prevent their *previous* attacks)
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To: muleskinner
How about start training a bunch of bomb-sniffing dogs?

Expensive and rare things, trained dogs. They aren't stamped out in Chevrolet trunklid factories.

35 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:09 AM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: BigFinn

Lu must be a member of DU, they don't know how to use capitalization either.


36 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:14 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Millee

Apparently, these New Yorkers have forgotten they don't have to give their consent in order to be bombed by terrorists.


Frankly, I think that the only thing wrong with searching bags is the stupidity of making it random.

It's politically correct, sure, but a waste of my grandma's time.


37 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:36 AM PDT by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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To: kellynla
if ya have nothin' to hide; then ya have no reason to object...

Or, to put it another way:

"If you have done nothing wrong, comrade, then you have nothing to fear."
- Lavrenti Pavlovich Beria (1899 - 1953), chief of the Soviet Secret Police (NKVD) under Stalin.

38 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:40 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: oceanview
they had better start taking it more seriously - because telling citizens to "report suspicious people" and call an 800 number, is about 100 times dumber then having the police be watchful and picking out people to search.

Something like 3.5 to 4 million passengers ride the NYC mass transit system every work day. Do you really thing that randomly searching (or even selectively searching based upon profiles) a couple thousand people a day is going to discourage a person from blowing up atrain or bus if that is their mission? Get real.

39 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:48 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Radio_Silence

I had posted that it IS dangerous thinking. For some reason it posted my response in italics. Preview looked fine.


40 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:50 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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To: oceanview
they had better start taking it more seriously - because telling citizens to "report suspicious people" and call an 800 number, is about 100 times dumber then having the police be watchful and picking out people to search.

Watch how this turns out.

These guys have been around long enough to know that no matter what they do, this is going to smack them back hard.

NYC wants it cops to be the ultimate PC guys, and take all the blame for everything, and alot of those folks that "report" suspicious people, are usually BS reports that they basically toss out anyway even if it should be credible.

41 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:56 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: BigFinn

$16.99 for a t-shirt???? You can be original and accomplish the same thing 3 times over by buying a pack of 3 and some iron-on letters. The hippies of the 70's were at least thrifty. As the saying goes "A fool and his money...."


42 posted on 07/22/2005 11:22:04 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Sonny M

they won't "get in trouble" for stopping some muslim men and searching them. as police officers, they are totally indemnified against civil actions.


43 posted on 07/22/2005 11:22:13 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: BigFinn
NYers to NYPD: 'I Do Not Consent to Being Searched'

NY MTA to NYers:

No searchee, no ridee.

44 posted on 07/22/2005 11:23:38 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: Joe Boucher
In N.Y. I think it would be safer for the community if the cops went around checking diplomatic crates, boxes, and pouches, not to mention diplomats. (dogs from the U.N.)

UN diplomats openly disrespect NYC cops, and are not above spitting at them.

The NYC cops hate and loathe the UN guys and the department almost always goes against its rank and file.

That said, realize this is the same city that will fine you for sitting on a milk crate (not joking, its happened this year).

45 posted on 07/22/2005 11:24:01 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Labyrinthos

it can't hurt.

with that logic, we might as well do away with airport screening to. consider that you only need a handful of terrorists boarding planes, in relation to the total number of people who fly every day - so why bother screening at all. why bother checking passports then, or visas. the "odds" of finding someone is so low.


46 posted on 07/22/2005 11:24:18 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: BigFinn

What are we coming to?

Even if they are Leftists, they are right.

On what is supposed to be a Conservative Constitutional website, the denizens are laughing at the assertion of the most basic of Constitutional rights.

They need Probable Cause to stop and search and the unPC truth is that unless the target gives probable cause that at least he/she fits a PROFILE - you know what I mean- then this random searching is a ticket to a place we shouldn't want to go.

Be afraid...of more then bombs.


47 posted on 07/22/2005 11:24:35 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: Labyrinthos
Something like 3.5 to 4 million passengers ride the NYC mass transit system every work day. Do you really thing that randomly searching (or even selectively searching based upon profiles) a couple thousand people a day is going to discourage a person from blowing up atrain or bus if that is their mission? Get real.

Shhhhh. The sheeple are comfortable with the illusion of security.

48 posted on 07/22/2005 11:24:35 AM PDT by gdani (While terrorists are busy planning the *next* attacks we work to prevent their *previous* attacks)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Also:

There are only two reasonable search criteria:

1) Search EVERYONE

2) Search all those who fit the profile or the description (depending on whether LE is trying to catch all the bombers they can find or just a particular bomber.)


49 posted on 07/22/2005 11:25:23 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: RightWhale

True enough. Cost for a trained dog starts at about $20k. And they have to be trained just about every day by an expert handler for at least an hour or they revert to a very expensive pet.


50 posted on 07/22/2005 11:25:25 AM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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