Skip to comments.NYers to NYPD: 'I Do Not Consent to Being Searched'
Posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:07 AM PDT by BigFinn
Reacting to the NYPD's announcement Thursday afternoon that police would randomlybut routinelysearch the bags of commuters, one concerned New Yorker quickly created a way for civil libertarians to make their views black-and-white. In a few outraged moments, local immigrant rights activist Tony Lu designed t-shirts bearing the text, "i do not consent to being searched." The minimalist protest-wear can be purchased here, in various styles and sizes. (Lu will not get a cut. The shirts' manufacture, sale, and shipment, will be handled by the online retailer. Lu encourages budget-conscious New Yorkers to make their own and wear them everywhere.)
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly had announced the legally obviousthat New Yorkers are free to decline a search and "turn around and leave." But Lu, who is a lawyer at Urban Justice Center, warned that even well-intentioned cops could interpret people's natural nervousness or anger as "reasonable suspicion." The possibility of unjustified interrogation and even arrest is real, Lu said.
Although police promised they would not engage in racial profiling, Lu said that, as with all street-level policing, people of color and poor immigrants would be particularly vulnerable, especially if encounters lead to arrests.
Fine. Then the cops do not consent to let them on the subway.
"Spend $16.99 so you can wear this to your grave"
That pretty much says it...
Imagine their fat butts walking anywhere
They totally hate this, and think this is one of the dumbest things they have ever been asked to do.
if ya have nothin' to hide; then ya have no reason to object...
maybe the ACLU & the Village Voice would finally wake up to the fact that WE ARE AT WAR if the camel jockeys dropped off one of their infamous IED's at their offices in NYC...
It would make more of a statement if they just wore "I CONSENT TO BEING BOMBED" T-shirts.
yeah, well, no shortage of that sentiment here. Moonbats is a pretty apt description.
They can resign the nypd if they want.
they had better start taking it more seriously - because telling citizens to "report suspicious people" and call an 800 number, is about 100 times dumber then having the police be watchful and picking out people to search.
As a New Yorker, I consent to anything that will make me safer. Of course, I don't travel with handcuffs, tubes of K-Y jelly, and a French maid's uniform in my briefcase as many Village Voice readers do.
In N.Y. I think it would be safer for the community if the cops went around checking diplomatic crates, boxes, and pouches, not to mention diplomats. (dogs from the U.N.)
I just can't wait till one of these bozos wears one of these to the airport.
But the London bobbies are apparently on the job.
"I have friends who are cops.They totally hate this, and think this is one of the dumbest things they have ever been asked to do."
maybe your "friends the cops" would rather pick up pieces of human flesh and place them in an evidence bag?
quite the contrary, although I don't believe a word you said about cops not wanting to "protect and serve" by checking bags; the "dumbest thing" I've heard is your post!
How about start training a bunch of bomb-sniffing dogs? Park a couple, with handlers, at every entrance to the subway, or any other pinch-point.
And that's just the male readers! ;-)
If they make a Spanish and Arabic version, it'll be easier to spot the bad guys.
Boy that was fast! Just another guy trying to make a buck...
They like being cops and doing the right thing, but they do have the brains to realize this is going to be a cluster*&ck and a half, if they stop arabs or muslims, or anyone not white, they'll get in trouble and if they stop white folks and that person files a complain, they'll still get in trouble.
Its asking someone to do the job with one hand behind your back, they already know how this turns out, and they also know how confrontational folks are over the dumbest things.
NYC is lucky no one becomes a cop for the money, you actually have got to want to do this, no one, ever becomes a cop in this city because of the pay or benefits.
Do they have any thoughts on more effective tactics? Perhaps they need to express those thoughts to their commanders.
Scary thinking there my friend.
You can save money on letters and just write "I Support Terrorism" on your shirt.
Not a problem. But you forfeit the right to complain if a bomb goes off in the subway.
Walk... or should you try and force your way on... DIE!
And these will be the first idiots to whine that they're not being protected if something ever did happen. Not only whine, but sue. They're nothing but parasites.
I wonder why the framers of the Constitution didn't realize that?
Random searches are, without doubt, unreasonable, meaning it cannot be reasoned that they will detect bombers by random searches.
Therefore, they are a violation of the 5th Amendment.
If your respect for the Constitution is so low that you consider anyone who stands up for it a moonbat, then you're . . .
(remainder of sentence self-censored)
Of course, you do realize there's nothing in this scheme that actually will make you safer, right?
Expensive and rare things, trained dogs. They aren't stamped out in Chevrolet trunklid factories.
Lu must be a member of DU, they don't know how to use capitalization either.
Apparently, these New Yorkers have forgotten they don't have to give their consent in order to be bombed by terrorists.
Frankly, I think that the only thing wrong with searching bags is the stupidity of making it random.
It's politically correct, sure, but a waste of my grandma's time.
Or, to put it another way:
"If you have done nothing wrong, comrade, then you have nothing to fear."
- Lavrenti Pavlovich Beria (1899 - 1953), chief of the Soviet Secret Police (NKVD) under Stalin.
Something like 3.5 to 4 million passengers ride the NYC mass transit system every work day. Do you really thing that randomly searching (or even selectively searching based upon profiles) a couple thousand people a day is going to discourage a person from blowing up atrain or bus if that is their mission? Get real.
I had posted that it IS dangerous thinking. For some reason it posted my response in italics. Preview looked fine.
Watch how this turns out.
These guys have been around long enough to know that no matter what they do, this is going to smack them back hard.
NYC wants it cops to be the ultimate PC guys, and take all the blame for everything, and alot of those folks that "report" suspicious people, are usually BS reports that they basically toss out anyway even if it should be credible.
$16.99 for a t-shirt???? You can be original and accomplish the same thing 3 times over by buying a pack of 3 and some iron-on letters. The hippies of the 70's were at least thrifty. As the saying goes "A fool and his money...."
they won't "get in trouble" for stopping some muslim men and searching them. as police officers, they are totally indemnified against civil actions.
NY MTA to NYers:
No searchee, no ridee.
UN diplomats openly disrespect NYC cops, and are not above spitting at them.
The NYC cops hate and loathe the UN guys and the department almost always goes against its rank and file.
That said, realize this is the same city that will fine you for sitting on a milk crate (not joking, its happened this year).
it can't hurt.
with that logic, we might as well do away with airport screening to. consider that you only need a handful of terrorists boarding planes, in relation to the total number of people who fly every day - so why bother screening at all. why bother checking passports then, or visas. the "odds" of finding someone is so low.
What are we coming to?
Even if they are Leftists, they are right.
On what is supposed to be a Conservative Constitutional website, the denizens are laughing at the assertion of the most basic of Constitutional rights.
They need Probable Cause to stop and search and the unPC truth is that unless the target gives probable cause that at least he/she fits a PROFILE - you know what I mean- then this random searching is a ticket to a place we shouldn't want to go.
Be afraid...of more then bombs.
Shhhhh. The sheeple are comfortable with the illusion of security.
There are only two reasonable search criteria:
1) Search EVERYONE
2) Search all those who fit the profile or the description (depending on whether LE is trying to catch all the bombers they can find or just a particular bomber.)
True enough. Cost for a trained dog starts at about $20k. And they have to be trained just about every day by an expert handler for at least an hour or they revert to a very expensive pet.