Skip to comments.NYers to NYPD: 'I Do Not Consent to Being Searched'
Posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:07 AM PDT by BigFinn
Reacting to the NYPD's announcement Thursday afternoon that police would randomlybut routinelysearch the bags of commuters, one concerned New Yorker quickly created a way for civil libertarians to make their views black-and-white. In a few outraged moments, local immigrant rights activist Tony Lu designed t-shirts bearing the text, "i do not consent to being searched." The minimalist protest-wear can be purchased here, in various styles and sizes. (Lu will not get a cut. The shirts' manufacture, sale, and shipment, will be handled by the online retailer. Lu encourages budget-conscious New Yorkers to make their own and wear them everywhere.)
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly had announced the legally obviousthat New Yorkers are free to decline a search and "turn around and leave." But Lu, who is a lawyer at Urban Justice Center, warned that even well-intentioned cops could interpret people's natural nervousness or anger as "reasonable suspicion." The possibility of unjustified interrogation and even arrest is real, Lu said.
Although police promised they would not engage in racial profiling, Lu said that, as with all street-level policing, people of color and poor immigrants would be particularly vulnerable, especially if encounters lead to arrests.
Because everyone should have something to hide.
Well, they could call the INS, but if they're anywhere like what happens in the county where I work...we had about fourteen illegal immigrants in jail. We called the INS, they said, we don't want 'em, let 'em go.
I can relate. I find reading supreme court opinions (and the occasional appelate decision to be extremely enlightening. (Google: cornell, supreme court). I read most of them, and have found it to be interesting to thread my way back through opinions cited by the court. Seeing how the precidents evolve over time (almost always to the detriment of our personal liberty) has been eye-opening. Much of the time it is depressing, but occasionally you'll find some real gems. I absolutely love reading Scalia and Thomas. They are especially good reading when dissenting.
If I could have absolute power for 24 hours, I'd scrap every bit of jurisprudence except certain aspects of the "incorporation" doctrine from the last century and return the US Code to what it was in 1910, with a few allowances made for subsequent technological advances. Two great side benefits to this would immediately accrue to us.
You've never been to Manhattan apparently. Muslims from every racial group live here. My last cab driver was a white man from Algeria.I know this because he told me so.
Are you suggesting we just continue to leave our borders, and immigration policies as they are?
I did not say that.
So do you agree our border security and immigration policies should be dramatically reformed and increased?
Yes, I do.
I just googled < mole people new york >
My point revolves around the "slippery slope".
I'll tell you what's unreasonable about it. It's unreasonable to have these security measures put in place by a "police force" that operates according to its own rules and regulations, and operates outside many of the laws that ordinary citizens are required to obey.
One of the interesting aspects of the U.S. Constitution is that the phrase "law enforcement" is nowhere to be found in the entire document. At the time the Consitution was written there was no such thing as a "police department" as we now understand the concept. Through most of this nation's history, "law enforcement" was seen as a mechanism for ensuring the orderly prosecution of criminals rather than as a mechanism for protecting the public. A sheriff on the frontier, for example, was not there to protect law-abiding citizens from criminal -- he was there to protect the accused criminal from the law-abiding citizen by ensuring that the accused criminal was given a fair trial in a court of law instead of facing "frontier justice" or other acts of retribution outside the law. With the right to keep and bear arms enshrined in the Second Amendment, the notion that there was any need for government to provide protection on a daily basis for each and every U.S. citizen would have been looked upon as childish idiocy.
Provided the person being searched could be reasonably considered a bomber. Some 65 year old white dude is not reasonable. Two 20 year old Arab guys with backpacks and shifty eyes would give a reasonable reason to search. But with no racial profiling, all these searches are unreasonable.
Yes, I do.
OK. Since we still have millions entering undected, and we are still issuing thousands of visas to people from Mideastern countries, why do you think they have not?
They are, apparently, very territorial. You don't want to tangle with them. Plus, a lot of them are flat out psycho. They leave the track workers alone and some have children who -- get this! -- attend school. But they're generally to be avoided. Anyone who goes wandering around down there is asking for it.
Well I, (for one), have never/will never
have anything sinister to hide from LE
or airport security.
I've spent a lot of time over the last
20-odd years going through airport
security in many countries. Never had
a problem or resented it.
Agreed. I must admit though, it is good beer. :-)
So drive to New York. The good guys could use the extra firepower.
If most of what we now think of as "public entities" were turned over to private interests, the ACLU would be out of business because they would have no legal standing to file a suit on behalf of someone who claims to have been "mistreated" by a private business owner.
Your guess is as good as mine.
I've seen the error of my ways and will "off a pig" on my way home from work.
Perhaps then you'll respect me.
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