Spend $16.99 so you can wear this to your grave
Posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:07 AM PDT by BigFinn
Reacting to the NYPD's announcement Thursday afternoon that police would randomly—but routinely—search the bags of commuters, one concerned New Yorker quickly created a way for civil libertarians to make their views black-and-white. In a few outraged moments, local immigrant rights activist Tony Lu designed t-shirts bearing the text, "i do not consent to being searched." The minimalist protest-wear can be purchased here, in various styles and sizes. (Lu will not get a cut. The shirts' manufacture, sale, and shipment, will be handled by the online retailer. Lu encourages budget-conscious New Yorkers to make their own and wear them everywhere.)
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly had announced the legally obvious—that New Yorkers are free to decline a search and "turn around and leave." But Lu, who is a lawyer at Urban Justice Center, warned that even well-intentioned cops could interpret people's natural nervousness or anger as "reasonable suspicion." The possibility of unjustified interrogation and even arrest is real, Lu said.
Although police promised they would not engage in racial profiling, Lu said that, as with all street-level policing, people of color and poor immigrants would be particularly vulnerable, especially if encounters lead to arrests.
Well, hey...that's what a constitutional republic is all about. We can each be morons in our own way here on the forum, and our right to do that is protected under law.
Oh, wait...that's true until our exercise of free speech is considered a threat to security. Then, I suppose, if you choose to post, you will cooperate with the federal monitors.
Can and allowed are 2 different things.
The politicians are going to be all over the cops because of this policy, its like me asking you do your job, with one hand tied behind your back and me bad mouthing you or persecuting you when I do something that makes your job more difficult.
Because by definition, a random search is a fishing expedition.
Perfect!
And Nixon's advice to avoid becoming dependent on foreign oil.
What would be unreasonable about doing door to door searches to make sure you don't have drugs, kiddie porn, or weapons designed to hurt someone?
It's just plain common sense.
Well, nyah, nyah to you too!
Your posts have been in support of this stupid t-shirt, intended to show defiance of the police. All I can imagine is a bunch of Village Lefties, wearing this shirt, screaming at police in the subways. And it mightily pi$$e$ me off.
"meaning it cannot be reasoned that they will detect bombers by random searches."
Hogwash.
If you profile, you increase the chances of finding someone with a bomb under their coat by a thousand fold. Once found with a bomb one, can easly reason that profiling and searches worked.
>As a New Yorker, I consent to anything that will make me safer
So do I.
>>Of course, you do realize there's nothing in this scheme that actually will make you safer, right?
Wrong. Profiling and searches will help find would-be bombers. Once found it avoids the calamity it would have caused if the bomb exploded. Profiling and targeted searches work.
Hello! The people who set the bombs of in London, lived in London.
is the airport security check-in, conducted by a government agency, a violation of the 4th amendment? the other poster is consistent at least - he says it is. what say you?
You apparently didn't read what I wrote. It is the RANDOM searches that are the problem.
Either search EVERYBODY or search all those who fit the profile/description. See my post #49.
What is all this "defiance of the police" nonesense?
The police are people like you and me. Okay, I won't try to find the link to the study that showed that it is one of the lowest IQ'ed professions (somewhere below garbagemen) ... because I don't know how scientific that study was, but the fact remains that if we weren't systematically try to disarm every american, and if we shut off the borders ... the populace would be the "militia" as it was intended to be, and we wouldn't need to be calling the cops nearly as often as we do.
Cops aren't altruistic by default. Some of them are good, some of them are bad ... just like in any profession. Lets get a little bit of perspective here and quit acting like these guys deserve every fiber of out being. The government has constructed us to need the police, it is not something that most people truly want. You can't own a gun in NYC. If you could, dare I say a "terrorist" on a subway would face one heck of a time obtaining their goal.
You're right.
Here are some suggestions that you might find to be fun:
Do a websearch for "Sullivan Laws" and "swarthy immigrants", as I believe that the law (or editorials of that time advocating its passage) used that phrase.
Check out Clayton Cramer's "The Racist Roots of Gun Control" if you haven't already. claytoncramer.org
H.L. Mencken wrote an essay around this time as well.
Do a websearch on Mencken and "gun control".
If you click on my name and go to LINKS, you'll find a lot of RKBA research listed.
Yes, but the overwhelming majority of the Muslim terrorists are Arab. Arabs are white, but not many are blue-eyed blonds. You can rule out black Muslims, because violent Muslims do not recognize black Muslims as true Muslims. Most of your terrorists will look like the run of the mill Arab. The big terrorist groups are very racist and only like to recruit people of certain races.
Also, the vast majority of bomb toting terrorists are 20-40 year old males. Very, very few are women. And almost none are older men. The young men are encouraged to fight, hence the 72 virgin nonsense and other such sexually related propaganda geared toward the young and dumb male. Also, the violence-driven extremist Islamic culture is a male dominated arena in which the male is king and women are dogs. And so, the male is the primary champion of this cause.
Let me suggest to you that 9-11 may have been prevented had racial profiling been invoked. There is a lot more involved in this than simply passing off every effort to secure our safety than to get overly-consumed with racism, which is not even close to the final objective of 99.99% of our enforcement officers.
Political correctness makes a man crazy.
No, those are just excuses made by their apologists.
They'd hate us whether we had foreign entanglements or not.
Their mission is to conquer the entire world and convert those who will do so, and slay those who won't.
Hello! Well, perhaps they SHOULDN'T HAVE!!! (are you beginning to see the theme here?)
And we fled that country because they infringed on our right to bear arms. Which has left them wide open to all kinds of crap since.
And now in NYC you can't bear arms either .... DOH!!!!!!!!!!
How on earth did that happen?
not everyone goes through the same screening at the sirport either. so what you are saying is that we should stop the "pull aside" checks at the airport then, since just a few people go through it. its either everyone, or no one.
Good point. I think that is part of the reason, but it would appear to me to be mostly about us not being muslims. Note that every place in the world where you have any sizable muslim population, you find terrorism. What foreign entanglements led to terrorism in the Philipines, or Indonesia? I'm not trying to pick a fight, just trying to clarify. I agree that we are a target because our governement thinks we should be the policeman of the world, but the larger reason behind it IMO is that islam itself is varelse, which is the best way I've seen to describe it.
See This page and this page for a good description of the term, "varelse". Some times existing language isn't adequite to the task of describing things, at such times, new words are invented to handle the task.
I agree with you on those points. However, this terrorism thing is new to America. We had no reason to profile anyone like that. Israel sure does. Somehow they know the difference between some that looks Arab and someone that is. Weird but that's El Al who has never had a hijacking I hear.
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