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NYers to NYPD: 'I Do Not Consent to Being Searched'
The Village Voice ^ | July 21st, 200 | by Chisun Lee

Posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:07 AM PDT by BigFinn

Spend $16.99 so you can wear this to your grave

Reacting to the NYPD's announcement Thursday afternoon that police would randomly—but routinely—search the bags of commuters, one concerned New Yorker quickly created a way for civil libertarians to make their views black-and-white. In a few outraged moments, local immigrant rights activist Tony Lu designed t-shirts bearing the text, "i do not consent to being searched." The minimalist protest-wear can be purchased here, in various styles and sizes. (Lu will not get a cut. The shirts' manufacture, sale, and shipment, will be handled by the online retailer. Lu encourages budget-conscious New Yorkers to make their own and wear them everywhere.)

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly had announced the legally obvious—that New Yorkers are free to decline a search and "turn around and leave." But Lu, who is a lawyer at Urban Justice Center, warned that even well-intentioned cops could interpret people's natural nervousness or anger as "reasonable suspicion." The possibility of unjustified interrogation and even arrest is real, Lu said.

Although police promised they would not engage in racial profiling, Lu said that, as with all street-level policing, people of color and poor immigrants would be particularly vulnerable, especially if encounters lead to arrests.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baaaaa; libertarianfools; nonprofiling; nothintohidehere; nyc; nypd; sheeple; stupidliberals; tshirt; villagevoiceisarag; wot
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To: oceanview
they had better start taking it more seriously - because telling citizens to "report suspicious people" and call an 800 number, is about 100 times dumber then having the police be watchful and picking out people to search.

Watch how this turns out.

These guys have been around long enough to know that no matter what they do, this is going to smack them back hard.

NYC wants it cops to be the ultimate PC guys, and take all the blame for everything, and alot of those folks that "report" suspicious people, are usually BS reports that they basically toss out anyway even if it should be credible.

41 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:56 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: BigFinn

$16.99 for a t-shirt???? You can be original and accomplish the same thing 3 times over by buying a pack of 3 and some iron-on letters. The hippies of the 70's were at least thrifty. As the saying goes "A fool and his money...."

42 posted on 07/22/2005 11:22:04 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Sonny M

they won't "get in trouble" for stopping some muslim men and searching them. as police officers, they are totally indemnified against civil actions.

43 posted on 07/22/2005 11:22:13 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: BigFinn
NYers to NYPD: 'I Do Not Consent to Being Searched'

NY MTA to NYers:

No searchee, no ridee.

44 posted on 07/22/2005 11:23:38 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: Joe Boucher
In N.Y. I think it would be safer for the community if the cops went around checking diplomatic crates, boxes, and pouches, not to mention diplomats. (dogs from the U.N.)

UN diplomats openly disrespect NYC cops, and are not above spitting at them.

The NYC cops hate and loathe the UN guys and the department almost always goes against its rank and file.

That said, realize this is the same city that will fine you for sitting on a milk crate (not joking, its happened this year).

45 posted on 07/22/2005 11:24:01 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Labyrinthos

it can't hurt.

with that logic, we might as well do away with airport screening to. consider that you only need a handful of terrorists boarding planes, in relation to the total number of people who fly every day - so why bother screening at all. why bother checking passports then, or visas. the "odds" of finding someone is so low.

46 posted on 07/22/2005 11:24:18 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: BigFinn

What are we coming to?

Even if they are Leftists, they are right.

On what is supposed to be a Conservative Constitutional website, the denizens are laughing at the assertion of the most basic of Constitutional rights.

They need Probable Cause to stop and search and the unPC truth is that unless the target gives probable cause that at least he/she fits a PROFILE - you know what I mean- then this random searching is a ticket to a place we shouldn't want to go.

Be afraid...of more then bombs.

47 posted on 07/22/2005 11:24:35 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: Labyrinthos
Something like 3.5 to 4 million passengers ride the NYC mass transit system every work day. Do you really thing that randomly searching (or even selectively searching based upon profiles) a couple thousand people a day is going to discourage a person from blowing up atrain or bus if that is their mission? Get real.

Shhhhh. The sheeple are comfortable with the illusion of security.

48 posted on 07/22/2005 11:24:35 AM PDT by gdani (While terrorists are busy planning the *next* attacks we work to prevent their *previous* attacks)
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To: SandyInSeattle


There are only two reasonable search criteria:

1) Search EVERYONE

2) Search all those who fit the profile or the description (depending on whether LE is trying to catch all the bombers they can find or just a particular bomber.)

49 posted on 07/22/2005 11:25:23 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: RightWhale

True enough. Cost for a trained dog starts at about $20k. And they have to be trained just about every day by an expert handler for at least an hour or they revert to a very expensive pet.

50 posted on 07/22/2005 11:25:25 AM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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To: All
Why not just instruct everyone to wear a big backpack filled up with wadded-up newspapers and with wires hanging out, with the pack dripping coke on the floor, and with melted Limburger cheese smeared on the outside?

That's funny. But think about it... Searching people on the street. The airport searches have gotten more and more intrusive. Everyone has to take their shoes off now, and take the laptop out of the case. You can't have a nail file or a cigarette lighter. You know, all the CRAP. If they pull off these street searches they will escalate, comrade. It could get very, very bad. And you know they will search the ones least likely to complain, and also they pretty girls they want to feel up, and let the obvious suspects go right on by. It's what they always do. This is not a good tactic. It's poorly thought out, it will be poorly executed. You watch.

51 posted on 07/22/2005 11:25:52 AM PDT by johnb838 (Dominus Vobiscum; Saeculum saeculorum; Amen.)
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To: BigFinn

Now where have I seen this before, ah yes, Moscow.

Of course, taxes are far, far lower in Moscow than NYC.

52 posted on 07/22/2005 11:26:13 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: gdani

Uh, just take a second to think. It's not about the actual search. It's about the potential for a search that might discourage the the bad guys. Get it?

53 posted on 07/22/2005 11:26:30 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Oberon

yea, well unlike most of you crybabies, I actually fought commies in combat and if you ladies have a problem opening your bags to the cops before getting on the subway you can walk...there's the stairs! LMAO

54 posted on 07/22/2005 11:26:50 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: oceanview
they won't "get in trouble" for stopping some muslim men and searching them. as police officers, they are totally indemnified against civil actions.

Thats bad comedy.

One of my close friends almost lost his badge and had a complaint lodged against him (which required a hearing) because he stopped and questioned someone who looked like a wanted rapist and wore the exact same clothes as the suspect they were looking for.

NYC will protect you from civil suits, then penalize you on there own. It could something like being reassigned to a crappy area or being put on traffic duty.

55 posted on 07/22/2005 11:26:50 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: inkling

They have the "Dumb and Dumber" t-shirts also. President Bush and his Father. Liberal NY, full of transients and dopey tourists.

56 posted on 07/22/2005 11:27:18 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Sabramerican

Note post 38...

57 posted on 07/22/2005 11:28:22 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: kellynla
quite the contrary, although I don't believe a word you said about cops not wanting to "protect and serve" by checking bags; the "dumbest thing" I've heard is your post!

It might be the 2nd dumbest thing after your post.

They might want to protect and serve, they don't like having one arm tied behind their backs and that is whats going to happen, they know it, everyone knows it, and only a fool wouldn't realize it.

58 posted on 07/22/2005 11:28:34 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: siunevada

Quote: They totally hate this, and think this is one of the dumbest things they have ever been asked to do.
Do they have any thoughts on more effective tactics? Perhaps they need to express those thoughts to their commanders.

Yeah quit being PC and search the rag heads only. My wife and I came back from a cruise several years back and I saw a 75 year oild women being searched athte airport. What a fricken joke!!!

59 posted on 07/22/2005 11:29:19 AM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: Sonny M; I see my hands
They can resign the nypd if they want.

They like being cops and doing the right thing, but they do have the brains to realize this is going to be a cluster*&ck and a half, if they stop arabs or muslims, or anyone not white, they'll get in trouble and if they stop white folks and that person files a complain, they'll still get in trouble.

Its asking someone to do the job with one hand behind your back, they already know how this turns out, and they also know how confrontational folks are over the dumbest things.

NYC is lucky no one becomes a cop for the money, you actually have got to want to do this, no one, ever becomes a cop in this city because of the pay or benefits.

If they were true patriots and really did their job in the best interests of the public, they and their unions would protest vehemently against such orders. But they "just follow" them no matter how draconian the orders are. They'll probably do the same when ordered to do a little ethnic cleansing, I'm sure.

Baby stepping into tyranny!

60 posted on 07/22/2005 11:29:25 AM PDT by American_Centurion
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