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Only W CAN THINK HE KNOWS (ANN COULTER WAS RIGHT)
World Net Daily. com ^ | 07/22/2005 | Andrew Longman

Posted on 07/22/2005 5:13:32 PM PDT by sirthomasthemore

A small town in Indiana and a brief filed saying that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided are entirely positive signs on first inspection, but the second reveals only a leaning and not a falling off on one side or the other. This is, of course, by White House design for the public understanding of Judge Roberts. Bush has exhibited his recurrent traits and examining G.W. Bush right now is the only way to know what really is in the heart of Judge Roberts.

Roberts is deliberately without much record. He is deliberately congenial and with friends all around. He is deliberately professionally competent, hard to make controversial – fine. I say "deliberately" on Bush's part – it is unknown if Judge Roberts has achieved his stealth status by his own design or by chance. Seemingly driven, popular success would encourage an individual to remain somewhat vanilla, but great strategists also sometimes hold their tongue and bide their time. We don't know, and that's the point.

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I previously expressed the concern the author mentions here that when 200 bipartisanship Washingtonian insider power elite lawyers vouch for him- that means the man’s first allegiance is to the institutionalized legal system: translation, compromise and wishy-washy middle. He got nominate because Dubya found a consensus candidate that would appease dems, albeit with a slightly conservative lean. We got a male O’Connor.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, the attack on Ann Coulter on this Board was VICIOUS, REPREHENSIBLE AND DISGRACEFUL.

I read through 450 of the some 700+ posts relative to Ann Coulter’s article on the Robert’s nomination. Although, like any one else, Ann deserves to have her views scrutinized and criticized on this Board, it’s unconscionable that so many have denigrated her personally.

It is an absolute disgrace that some posters have attacked her for her body shape; and, her marital status; and, her facial features; and, her purported drinking habits; and imputed uninformed pseudo- psychoanalysis in this vicious ad hominem attack. If ANYONE in the conservative movement didn’t deserve such hypocritical treatment from her own, it is Ann Coulter.

I’m relatively new to the Board, but I remember Ann and Drudge participating in a rally telecast on CSPAN when Free Republic was in its infancy. She was there to support this Board, and has continually been one of the staunchest supporters of this Board. I recall her saying that, when she traveled and was feeling low, she logged on to Free Republic for sustenance. I remember at the rally, when she spoke to Freepers, she said “I love you guys”.

Without argument, she has been on the front lines in the battle against liberalism. Unlike those who attack her personally today from the safety and anonymity of their keyboards, she places herself physically in harm’s way every time she spreads the conservative philosophy at a university. We all know she is vulnerable to personal attack, and we have seen punks try to silence her by confronting her on stage and throwing pies in her face. What we witness on this Board today is FAR WORSE than a cream pie; it’s a vicious slap in the face. It’s an unmitigated abomination.

We all know that when the administration comes under assault, suddenly, the Board is overwhelmed with hatchet men. But the hatchet job done on Ann Coulter today was a Black Day for Free Republic. We attacked one of our most ardent supporters; we mugged the soul of the Board.

Those who engaged in this character assassination should be ashamed, but I know they are not. Ann Coulter is not, and should not be, above criticism as to her views- but these ad hominian attacks by keyboard assassins is dastardly and the pinnacle of ingratitude.

Ann fearlessly endures the attacks of liberals, and she does so in support of the causes that we hold dear. I don’t always agree with her, but God, I admire her courage. I couldn’t do what she does, and I am so much in her debt for doing for me that which I have no capacity to perform. God hope she has the good sense not to read the Board today- because I’m certain that with all she has endured on our behalf, this had to be the greatest betrayal of all.

To those assassins involved, Et Tu, Freepers?

1 posted on 07/22/2005 5:13:32 PM PDT by sirthomasthemore
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To: sirthomasthemore

And you are???


2 posted on 07/22/2005 5:16:25 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Why he is Sirthomas


3 posted on 07/22/2005 5:17:25 PM PDT by since1868
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To: sirthomasthemore

We calls 'em as we sees 'em.


4 posted on 07/22/2005 5:18:13 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: sirthomasthemore

What, not even the obligatory picture for her slavish fawning fans?


5 posted on 07/22/2005 5:18:18 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: sirthomasthemore
I think you're overdramatizing the "Black Day at FR" thing. I don't dispute that people may have said nasty things about Coulter--I saw none of that but I didn't read much of the thread, because I thought Coulter was just doing her 100% Pure Hardcore Conservative w/No Fillers" act, which is cute.

But the idea that just because people aren't tossing spears at each other over this nomination it's the beginning of the end is sheer lunacy. When there's no reason to fight, why fight?

We can fight plenty when and if the judge does something deserving of it. The tendency to look for fights where there is no reason for one--oh my, some people like this guy! how shocking!--is a bit childish.

And let's be very honest here: I love Coulter, but to attack others for attacking a woman who routinely picks on people's physical characteristics? THAT, my friend, is the hypocritical treatment. Ann's a big girl; she can take it, or she should be able to, because she dishes it out plenty.

6 posted on 07/22/2005 5:19:43 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dean won't call Osama guilty without a trial, but DeLay and Rove should be in jail)
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To: Kevin OMalley

You'd think he would have known the RULE.

But then he hasn't been here vey long.


7 posted on 07/22/2005 5:19:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: sirthomasthemore

I think Ann was way off on her criticism. Why is that? Well because for a change Joe Farah more or less mirrors what she said.


no the real reason is that I think this nomination and the person nominated will end up being INFINITELY more conservative than O'Connor was. IF he was the one replacing Rehnquist I would say no, but he isn't.

You DO want to get your candidates, preferably the easy ones confirmed as quickly and without the political capital as soon as possible. Save the ammo for when Rehnquist retires around XMAS time.....


8 posted on 07/22/2005 5:21:00 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud member of Planet ManRam)
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To: sirthomasthemore

MORE IMPORTANTLY, the attack on Ann Coulter on this Board was VICIOUS, REPREHENSIBLE AND DISGRACEFUL.



Really you say...... so have the attacts on the POTUS , imo.


9 posted on 07/22/2005 5:21:18 PM PDT by deport (If you want something bad enough, there's someone who will sell it to you. Even the truth your way.)
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To: sirthomasthemore

Conservatives always destroy each other.
That's why we'll never prevail for long.
It's really too bad.
I like Ann. I like her mind and her daring.
Sometimes she goes too far.
But in this case, she was sounding an alarm that MAY turn out to have been prescient.
I agree with you, don't like the personal attacks.
But that's FR!


10 posted on 07/22/2005 5:21:25 PM PDT by Shazolene
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To: sirthomasthemore
Dubya?
11 posted on 07/22/2005 5:21:26 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: sirthomasthemore

I happen to agree with you. Ann was right to shoot from the hip. She's aiming at the spinelessness of the Republican Party today.


12 posted on 07/22/2005 5:21:42 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: sirthomasthemore

ahem...........rules you know.....PICTURES !


13 posted on 07/22/2005 5:23:06 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: sirthomasthemore

Relatively new? Is that like relative humidity? A pissing contest?


14 posted on 07/22/2005 5:23:17 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: sirthomasthemore
Actually, I thought Ann made some pretty good points about Roberts. She summed up my disquiet about this nomination. I sure hope he is a good one; but I have no reason to conclude that one way or the other.

Politically, W's biggest problem is keeping his base walking precincts in 2006. The Club of 200 encomiums are as directed at these folks as at the rats. And Bush has won that battle for the time being. Folks still trust Bush enough to give him the benefit of the doubt. And, it's unlikely Roberts can reveal himself as yet another R judicial disaster before 2006. If he does, the R's lose the Senate in 2006--moderates don't walk precincts.

I just have no idea whether this is a great nomination or a disaster . . . it's probably something in-between.

15 posted on 07/22/2005 5:24:19 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: sirthomasthemore

I love Coulter but she is not the soul of the forum.

Maybe 4 years ago but not now.

Contrary the the way the left views us, FR is actually fairly moderate...the hyperbole notwithstanding.

It's sure more moderate than when I joined. (or maybe I was..lol)

...but ...it could be Clown Posse so I'm not complaining.

(my apologies to the few decent CPers)


16 posted on 07/22/2005 5:24:39 PM PDT by wardaddy (I see Quislings)
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To: ModelBreaker
If he does, the R's lose the Senate in 2006

I don't think that is mathematically possible given early polls, the number of R's in chancey states and the number of Dems in VERY RED states this time around....but you might be correct in the turnout not being very good. But I seriously doubt the math works out for the GOP to lose the Senate....
17 posted on 07/22/2005 5:26:27 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud member of Planet ManRam)
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To: MikeinIraq

I guess I read a different column from the one others seem to have read.

In the column I read, Coulter just pointed out that nothing much was known about Roberts. That he had no clear track record, or any record of public utterances or writings to indicate that he was a conservative (constuctionsist, etc.)

She noted that many (actually every) time a Republican I has picked someone they thought would be conservative--but who had no clear record, they had turned out more liberal than had been hoped. (Warren, Souter, for starters.)

I don't see where she is wrong about that. Maybe Bush will be lucky and break the pattern. But what was wrong with pointing it out? What was wrong with suggesting that maybe he should have picked a surefire conservative?

That's what he promised when he was campaigning--both times.


18 posted on 07/22/2005 5:26:33 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: John Filson

Ann likes to be on the fringe.
She is very entertaining. If she was not attractive
I believe she would not sell the amount of books
she does.
For me it comes down to this.
Who is a better to judge.
Mark Levin or Ann?


19 posted on 07/22/2005 5:26:38 PM PDT by since1868
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To: Sam Hill

but it isn't quite like that in this case.

Besides Souter lied his @$$ off when he was being interviewed for the job.

if he is SLIGHTLY more conservative than O'Connor was, then it is an improvement. But I think he will be better than that.

No one seems to give this President enough credit for his judicial picks. All have been excellent so far. People need to quit being so nervous. I think that is really what it is. When it comes to the courts, Conservatives are a bit snake bitten...


20 posted on 07/22/2005 5:29:32 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud member of Planet ManRam)
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To: sirthomasthemore

I think the disgraceful attacks on Ann Coulter by our fellow PReepers prove my point that the "maintstram" of the Republican support throughout the nation is LESS conservative than they ysed to be & is moving leftward as time goes on. Folks just can't tolerate criticism anymore, even healthy criticism of our so-called "leaders". The GOP base believes that President Bush is as prefect as North Korea's righteous ruler, & any criticism from the Right is totally unacceptable. The 2 major political parties are moving closer & closer together, leaving true limited government conservatism behind...along w/ respecting the 9th & 10th Amendments, US sovereignty, LOCAL control of schools, abortion/drug/crime/welfare laws, etc. etc. etc.


21 posted on 07/22/2005 5:29:50 PM PDT by libertyman (It's time to make marijuana legal AGAIN!!!)
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To: since1868

For me it comes down to this.
Who is a better to judge.
Mark Levin or Ann?
_____________________________________________

For me it comes down to who is right about who he is. Coulter is right that he is a bit of a blank slate and it turns out some of the press for good or ill have been incorrectly filling in that slate. Didn't Hedgecock say today filling in for Limbaugh that Roberts is not a member of the Federalist Society?

But it still ultimately comes down to who is right about Roberts. I bet Coulter hopes she is wrong too.


22 posted on 07/22/2005 5:31:18 PM PDT by JLS
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To: sirthomasthemore

Whoa! Dude?

What the heck are you talking about?

Some people disagreed with Ann. Get over it.

It's not like we don't agree with some of the other things she says. Or that we no longer think she's a piece of a$$ or anything.

Chill out.


23 posted on 07/22/2005 5:31:34 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: dc-zoo

24 posted on 07/22/2005 5:32:08 PM PDT by rocksblues (I support the war on terror)
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To: wardaddy

I miss the way the forum was four years ago. It was much more based on facts and there were less shit slinging monkeys...


25 posted on 07/22/2005 5:32:14 PM PDT by NTW64
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To: sirthomasthemore

I guess I missed the thread where we badmouthed Ann. I'm an Ann fan, I'm willing to give the president the benefit of the doubt on Roberts, but I share her disquiet.

I was hoping for an originalist. I think we've got a conservative, which is better than nothing. But I'm hoping he will turn out to be an originalist. And I want about 3 more.


26 posted on 07/22/2005 5:32:21 PM PDT by marron
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To: Darkwolf377
to attack others for attacking a woman who routinely picks on people's physical characteristics? THAT, my friend, is the hypocritical treatment. Ann's a big girl; she can take it, or she should be able to, because she dishes it out plenty.

Amen to that. I didn't see the negative comments about Ann, but my first thought at reading this thread was the same as yours: Well, Ann dishes it out.

That's why I was never a fan (and never will be) of either Ann or Laura Ingraham. I do realize they're just political pundits, so it pays them to poke fun at people on the Left; they get more attention and sell more books that way. And, after all, that's what the Left does to the Right.

Still, they should be able to handle criticism, too.

27 posted on 07/22/2005 5:32:40 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: sirthomasthemore

I dread reading what is to follow. The Coulter bashers will now do you in turn.


28 posted on 07/22/2005 5:32:53 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: sirthomasthemore
It is an absolute disgrace that some posters have attacked her for her body shape; and, her marital status; and, her facial features; and, her purported drinking habits; ...

I wonder if she'd let me buy her a drink?

Where are the pictures???

30 posted on 07/22/2005 5:36:07 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: JLS
......hmmmmmmmm.....

........?....maybe,....the Supreme Court is NOW,...NOT,...the Surpeme Court?

...say what?

/ACLU's DNC....and ____?

:-(

31 posted on 07/22/2005 5:37:09 PM PDT by maestro
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To: Sam Hill
#29 removed, because of NY Times excerpting requirement. It's OK if you repost it as a short excerpt and link.

Reference.

32 posted on 07/22/2005 5:41:36 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: sirthomasthemore
I participated in the thread you discuss, as a major player. I did not see ANY personal attacks on Ann Coulter. I am certain that if there were such, they were few and far between.

I challenged Coulter because she is wrong in her analysis, as is the article at the top of this thread. Click below for a more accurate and honest discussion of Roberts.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Re: John Roberts, Supreme Court Nominee"

33 posted on 07/22/2005 5:41:58 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush's SECOND appointment obey the Constitution? I give 95-5 odds on yes.)
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To: sirthomasthemore

Some of these descriptions you cite of being said of Ann I haven't even seen, infact, most of them. Which tells me you are exagerating the extent of it. If it were a real problem it would be apparent in all the threads on this matter, and it is not.

BTW, Were you here for the Terri Schiavo threads? How about the Noonan threads?

Ann has got off easy by comparison.

She's a tough girl. She's dished out hard rhetoric. Read her columns. Most of what has been said in rebuttal to her here as been mild in comparisons to her own rhetoric. If she can't take it, she should desist from slinging shots at everyone in her aim at the moment. My guess is that Ann can take it, and doesn't need you expressing indignant outrage.

The majority around here think she was WAY of base to suggest Roberts was Souter with nothing to back it up. We're entitled to tell her what we think of the opinion and slam the opinion down.

And, it seems to me, you are engaging in your OWN attacks by labeling people that approve of this choice "hatchet men". So, if people dissent from you and Ann, you are professional political assassins sent to take down obstacles huh?


34 posted on 07/22/2005 5:42:01 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: tet68
And you are???
************
Someone who believes in civil discourse. Someone who believes that Christians and conservatives don't call a lady of Ann's reputation a "hooker". Someone who believes in loyalty to a friend. Someone who doesn't savage a friend, just to try to be hurtful when she doesn't say something I want to hear. Someone who doesn''t believe for a second that DUBYA would ever want those who blindly support him to engage in this vicious vitriol on a lady. Someone who believes being a gentleman still means something. Someone who is not a leeming.

Now look in the mirror, and decide who you are.



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35 posted on 07/22/2005 5:44:12 PM PDT by sirthomasthemore (I go to my execution as the King's humble servant, but God's first!)
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To: Larry Lucido
"We calls 'em as we sees 'em."

Call This!


36 posted on 07/22/2005 5:44:34 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: sirthomasthemore
It is all very well to counsel us to walk in Ann's moccasins; I think we have to walk in President Bush's - And Senator Frist's - as well.

People have urged that Bush nominate to the Supreme Court everyone from Thomas Sowell (my personal favorite BTW) to Janice Rodgers Brown, to Ann Coulter herself. And there is the president and the Senate majority leader, faced with a SCOTUS resignation effective only on the confirmation of her successor - excluding the possibility of a recess appointment - and a Republican Senate majority which resembles nothing so much as a herd of cats.

The reality is that the MSM Party, a.k.a. the "Democratic" Party, is weaker than it has been but it is still able by its flattery and derision to position Conservatives as being "out of the' mainstream'." It takes courage for senators who aren't from red states to do things like change the filibuster rule. And even the senior senator from red state Arizona tugs the Senate to the left. Bottom line, the Senate doesn't have the stomach for a flat-out, out-of-the-closet conservative SCOTUS nominee.

Bush has done as much as he knew how to get a stronger Republican Senate majority, and he has gone from 50-50 to 55-45. But even at that, with the number of northeasterners in the Republican caucus Bush can't ignore McCain et al. So we have a stealth candidate. Like Souter - but also like Thomas. And there you are. We gotta hope for the best. Ann counsels nominating Ann Coulter to SCOTUS, and the political situation just doesn't sustain that aggressive an approach.


37 posted on 07/22/2005 5:44:43 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: MikeinIraq

you make good points. I thought Ann's points were a bit strange. One possibility is the WH encouraged her to speak out like she did. Maybe they did. Maybe they didnt. But it would be excellent strategy to have the nominee criticized by some conservatives.


38 posted on 07/22/2005 5:45:44 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: NTW64
I miss the way the forum was four years ago.

I liked the way this Forum was 14 years ago....

39 posted on 07/22/2005 5:45:58 PM PDT by woofie (I Predict...... Dr. Neil Clark Warren will someday kill his wife and stop being pleasant to others)
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To: sirthomasthemore; John Filson; wardaddy
I don't recall seeing many posts as bad as you describe, but I definitely did not parse the entire thread. Perhaps it went too far, I don't really know. I happen to agree with much of what Ann said, to the extent that I passed her commentary around to my circle of hard right rudder conservative friends--loyal American conservatives all.

As far as FR is concerned, you seem to be reacting to something that has concerned many of us for at least the past 2 or 3 years, and that is a perceived gradual drift to the left toward center. This may at least partially explain an excess of criticism directed at Ann. What I have been seeing, and I am very sorry to have to say it, is a forum that is now far more amenable to GOP Big Tent RINOs/Liberals/Moderates than it is to conservatives (and by that I mean loyal American conservatives). And that's a real shame. Most of us, by far, want FR to continue to be a conservative site for conservatives.

40 posted on 07/22/2005 5:46:27 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: sirthomasthemore

I think Ann is too skinny.


41 posted on 07/22/2005 5:47:25 PM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: Admin Moderator

Sorry, I didn't know.

Anyway, the point is that Bush campaigned saying he would appoint judges like Thomas and Scalia.


42 posted on 07/22/2005 5:48:10 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: sirthomasthemore

I agree with you 1000%


43 posted on 07/22/2005 5:49:40 PM PDT by MrLee
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To: woofie
I liked the way this Forum was 14 years ago....

Young whippersnapper!

44 posted on 07/22/2005 5:51:47 PM PDT by dighton
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To: libertyman
I think the disgraceful attacks on Ann Coulter by our fellow PReepers prove my point that the "maintstram" of the Republican support throughout the nation is LESS conservative than they ysed to be & is moving leftward as time goes on. Folks just can't tolerate criticism anymore, even healthy criticism of our so-called "leaders". The GOP base believes that President Bush is as prefect as North Korea's righteous ruler, & any criticism from the Right is totally unacceptable. The 2 major political parties are moving closer & closer together, leaving true limited government conservatism behind...along w/ respecting the 9th & 10th Amendments, US sovereignty, LOCAL control of schools, abortion/drug/crime/welfare laws, etc. etc. etc.

Amen!
45 posted on 07/22/2005 5:51:56 PM PDT by mosquitobite
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To: since1868

Ann


46 posted on 07/22/2005 5:53:36 PM PDT by Edgar3 (Eat hot sauce on all of your food)
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To: sirthomasthemore
I am so much in her debt for doing for me that which I have no capacity to perform.

Like she is the first hot babe you have said that about.

47 posted on 07/22/2005 5:54:33 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: sirthomasthemore

You don't exactly have the tenure here to be lecturing us in such strong terms. Take a hike if you don't like it.


48 posted on 07/22/2005 5:54:43 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: NTW64

Whoa, AMEN!


49 posted on 07/22/2005 5:54:55 PM PDT by Edgar3 (Eat hot sauce on all of your food)
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To: Czar

This has not been a conservative site for some time. It is nothing more than a republican organ.


50 posted on 07/22/2005 5:56:17 PM PDT by cynicom
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