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Intel Officers: Bush Needs to Punish Rove for Plame Outing
AP ^ | 22 July 05 | Unkown

Posted on 07/22/2005 5:33:43 PM PDT by LSUfan

Former U.S. intelligence officers criticized President Bush on Friday for not disciplining Karl Rove in connection with the leak of the name of a CIA officer, saying Bush's lack of action has jeopardized national security.

In a hearing held by Senate and House Democrats examining the implications of exposing Valerie Plame's identity, the former intelligence officers said Bush's silence has hampered efforts to recruit informants to help the United States fight the War on Terror. Federal law forbids government officials from revealing the identity of an undercover intelligence officer.

"I wouldn't be here this morning if President Bush had done the one thing required of him as commander in chief — protect and defend the Constitution," said Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst. "The minute that Valerie Plame's identity was outed, he should have delivered a strict and strong message to his employees."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushhaters; cia; cialeak; fmf; fouadmakhzoumi; johnson; lang; larryjohnson; makhzoumi; patricklang; plame; ratspooks; rove; sorelosers; state; statedept; wannaberepublican
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The "intel" officer is Larry Johnson. He headed the STATE DEPARTMENT'S counterterrorism office under Bush 41. He had a falling out with the administration when in the SUMMER OF 2001, he published an op ed in the NY Slimes declaring the terrorism threat overblown. I shi+ you not. When this guy says the coast is clear, head for the bunker...
1 posted on 07/22/2005 5:33:43 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

I love this. Rove outed a CIA undercover agent even though she never served as an undercover agent!


2 posted on 07/22/2005 5:36:13 PM PDT by rocksblues (I support the war on terror)
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To: LSUfan

Indeed. If he were even a half assed intel guy, he'd already know that Rove did NOT out Plame!


3 posted on 07/22/2005 5:37:08 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: LSUfan
Former U.S. intelligence officers criticized President Bush

Headline should read "Clinton Cronies"

4 posted on 07/22/2005 5:37:35 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: rocksblues

Actually, I think she did serve as an undercover agent in Europe prior to being moved back to the U.S. in 1994. She has been under very light cover since then, and that is probably only to protect the integrity of her former missions.


5 posted on 07/22/2005 5:38:18 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: rocksblues

>>>I love this. Rove outed a CIA undercover agent even though she never served as an undercover agent!

Actually, she was undercover in the past, but became worthless as a covert agent when she hooked up with Joe Willy-Lose Lips Wilson. Her boss at the agency at the time said as much.


6 posted on 07/22/2005 5:38:42 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Talk Nerdy To Me)
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To: LSUfan
The "intel" officer is Larry Johnson. He headed the STATE DEPARTMENT'S counterterrorism office under Bush 41. He had a falling out with the administration when in the SUMMER OF 2001, he published an op ed in the NY Slimes declaring the terrorism threat overblown. I shi+ you not.

I know I posted the article before. I believe this genuis article discounting the threat of Terrorism was published August 10, 2001....

7 posted on 07/22/2005 5:38:57 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: rocksblues

Rove didn't out her! That tells me that these "intel" officers have an ulterior motive. IMO the CIA has has elements of subversion that threaten the integrity of this country. Democrat agents or worse, maybe the same?


8 posted on 07/22/2005 5:40:37 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: LSUfan

Oh BS. Ms Plame told her NEIGHBORS that she worked for the CIA, and apparently told lots of reporters too. Such a big friggin' secret. She drives a desk at Langley. Ooh, the whole world is in the balance now, Valerie! And note that the accusers are EX-intelligence, probably with an axe to grind. I am so tired of this meaningless crap.


9 posted on 07/22/2005 5:42:30 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: LSUfan
--Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," New York Times, July 10, 2001. Johnson, a former CIA officer, was deputy director of the U.S. State Department's Office of Counterterrorism from 1989 to 1993.

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"Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.

"None of these beliefs are based in fact. ... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way."

10 posted on 07/22/2005 5:42:33 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: LSUfan

Larry Johnson is a political hack. He stopped being taken seriously long ago. These FORMER CIA officials must be putting this "news" out every other day. I have seen it in several other "news" sources.


11 posted on 07/22/2005 5:43:39 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: LSUfan
Wow! If you google this guys name the response is amazing. It's almost like google has a group of people pushing one side of this guy only.

Hey, has it been proved for sure that Rove "outed" this chick?

I bet this gal has been hunkered down somewhere being taught what to do once her 15 minutes of fame claims check gets cashed.

12 posted on 07/22/2005 5:46:05 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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To: LSUfan
When this guy says the coast is clear, head for the bunker.

I couldn't have said it better. And I can't imagine why AP would run with this story authored by such a questionable sourcce. < /sarc >

13 posted on 07/22/2005 5:47:13 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: LSUfan
In a hearing held by Senate and House Democrats examining the implications of exposing Valerie Plame's identity,

No bias there. Republicans had work to do instead of goofing off. They couldn't join the hate fest.

"I wouldn't be here this morning if President Bush had done the one thing required of him as commander in chief — protect and defend the Constitution," said Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst. "The minute that Valerie Plame's identity was outed, he should have delivered a strict and strong message to his employees."

He did. He said if anyone is found guilty of committing a crime, he'd fire them. Geese! What more does this guy want? Torture?

14 posted on 07/22/2005 5:47:29 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: LSUfan
Former U.S. intelligence officers criticized President Bush on Friday for not disciplining Karl Rove

Why? What has he done? Did I miss something?

15 posted on 07/22/2005 5:48:26 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: LSUfan

This sounds a lot like the Vietnam Vets for Kerry group.


16 posted on 07/22/2005 5:50:39 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Minuteman23

They never think that people on the internet have either half a brain or a long memory.

Without the net, could you image going through a decade of microfilch trying to find that article?


17 posted on 07/22/2005 5:53:47 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Sender
And note that the accusers are EX-intelligence, probably with an axe to grind

The CIA screwed up WMD intelligence. Bush sent Goss in to do an over haul. (Oh no. This guy isn't bitter).

18 posted on 07/22/2005 5:54:09 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: Sender

Exactly right. It's impossible for anyone to "leak" common knowledge. The whole thing is bogus.


19 posted on 07/22/2005 5:54:54 PM PDT by foofoopowder
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To: LSUfan
Karl Rove.

Name spelled with a

K

You know, like the KKK

Coincedence? I don't think so.

20 posted on 07/22/2005 5:55:48 PM PDT by lormand (...wishing the posting of polls were banned from FR)
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To: LSUfan

Thanks for that info! :-)


21 posted on 07/22/2005 5:56:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: bill1952
Without the net, could you image going through a decade of microfilch trying to find that article?

BINGO! Without the net, many more liberal crimes would go unpunished and many more conservative ones would be manufactured without challenge.

22 posted on 07/22/2005 5:56:08 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: Keith in Iowa
Actually, she was undercover in the past, but became worthless as a covert agent when she hooked up with Joe Willy-Lose Lips Wilson.

Translation: Actually, she was only between the sheets!

23 posted on 07/22/2005 5:56:31 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Always Right
Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," New York Times, July 10, 2001

MYGAWD, he penned this 60 days before hell on earth broke loose. That is simply amazing in its irony and depth of ignorance to reality. Does shame have no place in our society anymore??

24 posted on 07/22/2005 5:58:32 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: LSUfan
The Ass. Press gets it wrong again. As usual.

These are "former" Intel people who are disgruntled and supported Hanoi Johnny for President.

25 posted on 07/22/2005 6:01:18 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: piasa; Shermy

Ping. Patrick Lang the registered Lebanese lobbyist for Fouad Makhzoumi's Future Millennium Foundation is also quoted.


27 posted on 07/22/2005 6:07:43 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Baynative

How about this instead:

Ex CIA Larry Johnson: Terrorism Isn't A Threat, But Big Tobacco Is!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1448666/posts


28 posted on 07/22/2005 6:09:06 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Always Right

"I know I posted the article before. I believe this genuis article discounting the threat of Terrorism was published August 10, 2001...."

July.

Flashback: "Intelligence Analyst" Larry C. Johnson: "The Declining Terrorist Threat (July 10, 2001)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1447248/posts


29 posted on 07/22/2005 6:10:45 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: LSUfan

What kind of a hearing is held by Senate and House Democrats? I caught some of this on CSpan but couldn't stand it for long. Couldn't help but wonder why hearings are held by only Democrats! Does anyone here know?


30 posted on 07/22/2005 6:10:50 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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I love this. Rove outed a CIA undercover agent even though she never served as an undercover agent!

Even if she were undercover, aren't govnernment employees supposed to avoid getting involved in domestic politics? Plame was trying to pull one over on the press by authorizing her husband to go on a foreign trip to dig up anything that could be used as propaganda aganist invading Iraq. She was trying to use her allegeged status as an undercover CIA officer to prevent that act of nepotism in the federal goverment from becoming public.

31 posted on 07/22/2005 6:12:45 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: LSUfan

In April of this year, Sen. John Kerry blew the cover of genuine CIA secret operative Fulton Armstrong during confirmation hearings for U.N. ambassador nominee John Bolton - even after the CIA explicitly requested that the agent's identity be kept secret.

Why is it okay for John Kerry to publicly and irrefutably "out" a true covert CIA agent, while the mere allegation that Karl Rove might have told a reporter that the wife of a Democrat operative was a clerical CIA employee is grounds for dismissal?


32 posted on 07/22/2005 6:12:48 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: foofoopowder
Exactly right. It's impossible for anyone to "leak" common knowledge. The whole thing is bogus.

The Downing Street Memo is just an opinion from someone at a meeting, yet they want Bush impeached for that, too. Sheesh! Everyone has an opinion, but for some reason this guys is "special" (it's anti-Bush, and they really get off on that).

33 posted on 07/22/2005 6:14:54 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: Sam Hill
July.

Yeah, I found it. I posted some excerps of the brilliant Johnson piece in post #10,

34 posted on 07/22/2005 6:19:17 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: LSUfan

That is the problem with are old intelligence officers.....they weren't. Still aren't, apparently.


35 posted on 07/22/2005 6:19:29 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Thank You Rush
Couldn't help but wonder why hearings are held by only Democrats!

Because it's all bogus. It's all for show. They're running a 2006 infomercial at taxpayers expense.

36 posted on 07/22/2005 6:20:20 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: LSUfan

NO HE DOES NOT!


37 posted on 07/22/2005 6:20:27 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Baynative
Interesting read

38 posted on 07/22/2005 6:21:31 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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In a hearing held by Senate and House Democrat

Was this another faux hearing held in a coat closet?

No Republicans allowed?

39 posted on 07/22/2005 6:21:37 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Sender

I couldn't agree more. Sounds to me like Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame both have a wee tendency to puff their resumes a bit... he's the non-partisan, distinguished diplomat answering the call of the Vice President, and she's the Mata Hari of our time, in deepest cover protecting the secrets of a nation. What a joke! If you haven't read it yet, you might check out the July 19th column in the Washington Times by Wes Pruden, titled something like "Summer Squalls are Coming." You can read it on line if you haven't seen it already, and I think you would enjoy it.


40 posted on 07/22/2005 6:21:45 PM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Why is it okay for John Kerry to publicly and irrefutably "out" a true covert CIA agent, while the mere allegation that Karl Rove might have told a reporter that the wife of a Democrat operative was a clerical CIA employee is grounds for dismissal?

Because that's the way the press wants it. There's nothing to Roves involvement, but it makes a good pro-democrat story for the summer.

41 posted on 07/22/2005 6:22:47 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: concerned about politics
What more does this guy want? Torture?

Of course. It's terrorists they want to protect from torture, not Republicans.

42 posted on 07/22/2005 6:23:12 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Baynative

Johnson is a Chrissy Matthews boy.


43 posted on 07/22/2005 6:23:27 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: LSUfan

these guys are obviously anti-bush.




is this forum slow?

i just pinged and my service is normal.


44 posted on 07/22/2005 6:24:19 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: Minuteman23
Without the net, many more liberal crimes would go unpunished and many more conservative ones would be manufactured without challenge.

And just how long do these idiots think that the internet has been in existence to check out their _hits. I mean, it is not exactly like the Switft Boat Vets, or Blather's forgeries didn't happen.

OTOH given how clueless this guy is about the internet it is entirely possible he failed to get a clue on terrorism as well. Just another useful idiot.

45 posted on 07/22/2005 6:26:58 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: LSUfan

WOW - Everyone who works for the CIA is an under cover agent officer. GOBBLEDGOOK to the fullest.


46 posted on 07/22/2005 6:28:19 PM PDT by Don_Ret_USAF ("OWN A GUN - Better to be judged by twelve, then carried by six.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ask Jimmy Carter, former POTUS.
Better yet, wait until the final "resting place" of the former POTUS has a specially designated EPA approved urination facility to handle the anticipated popular demand.
47 posted on 07/22/2005 6:30:21 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: GraceCoolidge; foofoopowder
Rep Henry 'alien hominid' Waxman: "This administration...doesn't care about the lives of covert agents around the world...they only care about their political connections..."

Col. Patrick Lang (retired, former intel officer) "It's the thought...the nobility of what you are asking this person to do...you will protect this person as one of your beloved sons...very very profound trust, empathic relationship...this person's fate depends on whether he/she was covered in this way or that way...otherwise you've lost them. If you start messing around with the essential humanity of the identities of these agents...it's a very very serious thing.

Davod McMichael (former agent): This trust was abused by those in power...agents around the world...these are human beings...abusers have agendas of their own.

Jim Marcinkowski (former CIA case officer): It's a very personal...goings on between that person and the CIA case officer...abuse...don't care...agents could be killed...

Rep Louise Slaughter (D) NY: Have you ever had a case like this, where someone from the White House has outed someone from one of your agencies? My anger...I can't really express it...

All the stooges in unison: ROVE BAD, BUSH BAD, ALL AGENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD IN MORTAL JEOPARDY DUE TO EVIL BUSHCO...

48 posted on 07/22/2005 6:39:57 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Always Right

You are exactly right. The people making these statements are the ones responsible for 911. Clinton cronies.


49 posted on 07/22/2005 6:41:15 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Sender

And for GOD'S SAKE, we aren't talking about recruited foreign intelligence agents here!!! We are talking about the suburban wife of a Democratic Party operative!!! Jeez!!! What an utter farce!!!


50 posted on 07/22/2005 6:41:44 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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