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Intel Officers: Bush Needs to Punish Rove for Plame Outing
AP ^ | 22 July 05 | Unkown

Posted on 07/22/2005 5:33:43 PM PDT by LSUfan

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To: Sam Hill

Remember, Johnson trained with Plame in the CIA. Thus you have a personal friendship clouding the issue -- aside from the fact that Johnson is a born-again dipstick.


51 posted on 07/22/2005 6:41:54 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: small voice in the wilderness
So totally unreal.

A day or two after Wilson states in public that his wife wasn't undercover, acknowledging what was clear to all who had the slightest connection with reality, a fired CIA employee, who had a NYTimes article published Aug 2001 claiming the war on terror was overblown, blames Bush for not firing Rove for the purported crime of exposing Wilson's "undercover" wife.

As Rush says, you couldn't make this stuff up.

52 posted on 07/22/2005 6:42:43 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: Sender

Funny, I was lurking at DU today and they were all saying how our CIA is just a terrorist organization, but they are just pretending to be concerned about the CIA so they can get Bush.


53 posted on 07/22/2005 6:45:01 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: LSUfan
might wait till he's ACTUALLY convicted of something first, yeah???

54 posted on 07/22/2005 6:46:14 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Sender
Rep Rush Holt (D) NJ: It's a terrible thing, almost an unthinkable thing...when an operative is placed in jeopardy by someone in a position of trust...someone in the WH...we asked them to take things at risk in order to save American lives...how unusual is this?

Patrick Lang (alzheimers patient): I've always treated such outbursts with extreme hostility...here we have an example of someone in responsibility...breakdown...deliberate disclosure...bleeechhhhh...

Jim Marcinkowski (fired by Porter Goss): I can't debate a senior official in the WH, for example...I may be good but not that good...when you look at where the disclosure is coming from, someone as senior as Karl Rove, that's huge...

David Mac Michael (doddering fool): Breeakdown here, Watergate...certainly careless, thoughtless use of an intelligence operation for non-intel purposes...very serious consequences...

Larry Johnson, TV personality: I say this as a currently registered Republican...I wish someone had the courage to stand up and call the ugly dog what it is...where are these men and women who have the courage to stand up??? I expect better behavior out of Republicans.

55 posted on 07/22/2005 6:50:26 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Archon of the East

Larry Johnson’s problem is that he was so excited about his role as Leftist Infiltrator of the Central Intelligence Agency that he forgot how intelligence was in fact not central to the agency of his person.


56 posted on 07/22/2005 6:51:13 PM PDT by reasonisfaith
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To: rocksblues

This story was trash a week ago, when we found out Rove got the info from whats-his-face conservative reporter.

What are you going to do when a REAL CIA covert op gets outed?

People here are making such a production out of nothing.

Please save your energy for the real thing.


57 posted on 07/22/2005 8:19:56 PM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: LSUfan

We're fighting a world-war, and the libs are worried that Rove repeated what every reporter already knew.

Have they cement betwixt their ears?


58 posted on 07/22/2005 8:31:51 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Islam: Nothing BEER couldn't cure!)
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To: Always Right
--Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," New York Times, July 10, 2001. Johnson, a former CIA officer, was deputy director of the U.S. State Department's Office of Counterterrorism from 1989 to 1993. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism. "None of these beliefs are based in fact. ... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way."

Self-ping

59 posted on 07/22/2005 8:32:14 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant Pancake on my Head")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

That is a thought - does OpenSecrets have a listing of Larry's political contributions over the last two election cycles?


60 posted on 07/22/2005 8:36:38 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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To: LSUfan

Proof enough that the CIA needs to be purged of Democrats.


63 posted on 07/22/2005 8:39:55 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: LSUfan

Sounds about right. If I were a former CIA agent I would hide in shame for the catastophic errors in the past 15 or so years.


64 posted on 07/22/2005 9:04:05 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Sender; kcvl
In a hearing held by Senate and House Democrats

This was NOT a hearing. It was a bunch of people getting together to trash Bush. And they have BEEN WARNED previously.

I'd bet anything John Conyers is involved, even though none of these articles mention him or anybody else who was there, nor where they held this "meeting."

From The Hill:

Judiciary GOP pulls the plug on Conyers 'forums'

If the Financial Services Committee is the best in the House when it comes to bipartisan comity, then the Judiciary Committee may well be the worst.

In December, ranking Democrat John Conyers (Mich.) began holding “forums” — gatherings with all the trappings of official hearings — after Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) refused to hold hearings on topics Conyers requested. The forums have been held in smaller committee rooms, often with C-SPAN coverage and formal witness lists.

In a sign of how far relationships on the committee have soured, majority staff recently announced a new policy to deny any request from a committee Democrat for the use of a committee hearing room.

Majority spokesman Jeff Lungren said the Republicans have given Democrats three opportunities to make clear that the forums are not official committee business. Nevertheless, Lungren said, in at least one case, members were addressing Conyers as “Mr. Chairman.”

“They were unwilling or unable to make those changes,” Lungren said. “At this point, if they want to hold these forums, they’ll have to find some other place to do it.”

Sean McLaughlin, deputy chief of staff for Sensenbrenner, recently wrote to a minority staffer in more pointed language.

“I’m sitting here watching your ‘forum’ on C-SPAN,” McLaughlin wrote. “Just to let you know, it was your last. Don’t bother asking [for a room] again.”

A committee source said committee Democrats are still planning to hold the forums when they find other available space.


65 posted on 07/22/2005 11:31:01 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: LSUfan
I just heard the talking head on CNN (2:45 am Saturday) say, "Intel officers criticized President Bush for not punishing Rove for his ALLEGED involvement in the Plame case."

Do they not know how totally stupid that sounds?

66 posted on 07/22/2005 11:52:01 PM PDT by msnimje
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To: LSUfan

This is not news - this "testimony" was a partisan event held by the Democrats.

There was a guy defending Joe Wilson's honesty, even though Joe Wilson himself was forced to admit he's a liar (or what did he call it..."Literary Flare.")


67 posted on 07/22/2005 11:54:15 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Archon of the East

Look closely at the article. This was not a committee hearing - but a partisan event put on the by Democrats that these men agreed to give their "testimony" to.


68 posted on 07/22/2005 11:56:05 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: LSUfan

These are the intel officers that didnt see 9/11 coming? The ones that were never fired for the deaths of 3000 Americans? Please....


69 posted on 07/22/2005 11:56:20 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Howlin

Henry Waxman and Dick Durbin were there....I didn't bother watching long enough to see who else was.


70 posted on 07/22/2005 11:57:14 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: alnick

Yes, that is exactly what it was.


71 posted on 07/22/2005 11:58:27 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
This is not news - this "testimony" was a partisan event held by the Democrats.

Then the facilities and services should be billed to the DNC as well as the television time at commercial rates.

72 posted on 07/23/2005 12:24:07 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Yea, I know but somehow it still wreaks. I have no problem with CIA agents having opinions, strong or otherwise. I do have a problem with with them even though they may be "retired" playing such politcal games.


73 posted on 07/23/2005 4:37:58 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: LSUfan; All

There are two potential criminal charges that the prosecutor is trying to learn if anyone, including Rove, violated. One is the leaking of an undercover agent's identity, and the other is perjury before the fed grand jury.

Proving the first crime is impossible, because it didn't happen. The instant Plame began working under her own name, her undercover status disappeared. That was over 5 years ago. Therefore, it is legally impossible to have "outed" Valerie Plame.

IMHO, perhaps the prosecutor has two motives for keeping the case going: First, he may have conflicting testimony on some facts, indicting that "someone" is lying, which would equate to the perjury investigation; Second, at the moment he closes the investigation (ie, no crime, etc), Judith Miller gets released, and I'm sure he wants to keep her in jail for the max, since she stiffed his investigation by refusing to testify.

BUT....If Plame couldn't be outed, why is Miller in jail?
If her source couldn't have outed Plame because she was already out, what's to protect? Seems to me that it could save someone some embarassment, but is that worth four months in jail? This is the only mystery in the whole thing!

Along with there being no crime of outing, perjury also will not apply in any case. Perjury, to be a crime, must always be MATERIAL. IOW, the lying has to bear some weight on the case. Clinton lied to cover his misdeeds in the sexual harassment trial....those were material lies because they had an impact on the case in chief. An example of non-material perjury would be if the witness lied about the weather at the time of the crime, but that had no impact on the material facts of the case.

But even if Rove lied about where he got Plame's name, it's not material, because there is no case in chief.

The press continues to maliciously use the word "undercover" to report on this. They know that's incorrect, but it makes Rove and Bush look bad. MSM and the loonies are going to eat it again. What a bunch of punch-drunk losers. I think they're starting to enjoy getting beat up.


74 posted on 07/23/2005 4:50:18 AM PDT by Randy Papadoo (Hey! That's NOT YOUR COOKIE!!!)
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To: LSUfan
" . . . the former intelligence officers said Bush's silence has hampered efforts to recruit informants to help the United States fight the War on Terror."

My BS detector just went off the charts. I simply do not believe this; this is politically motivated spin. It is crap.
75 posted on 07/25/2005 1:03:38 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Mad Mammoth; Sam Hill

ping to Sam Hill!


77 posted on 07/25/2005 1:39:00 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Some folks just need killin' = Clint Eastwood as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'...)
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To: rocksblues
"she never served as an undercover agent!"

Where in the world are you getting your information? I think you need to broaden your sources a bit - not even the most rabid Wilson-hater believes that she was never covert.

78 posted on 07/25/2005 1:42:55 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: lugsoul

She (Plame) did work NOC (non-official cover) up until 1997.

That much was established.


79 posted on 07/25/2005 1:44:22 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Some folks just need killin' = Clint Eastwood as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'...)
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To: Mad Mammoth

Not here. I had a running two-day battle with Howlin' for saying the same thing you just said.


80 posted on 07/25/2005 1:47:44 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: lugsoul
Not here. I had a running two-day battle with Howlin' for saying the same thing you just said.

Screw him. The world does not begin nor end upon what Howlin's opinion is.
81 posted on 07/25/2005 1:49:56 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Some folks just need killin' = Clint Eastwood as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'...)
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To: concerned about politics
"I wouldn't be here this morning if President Bush had done the one thing required of him as commander in chief — protect and defend the Constitution," said Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst. "The minute that Valerie Plame's identity was outed, he should have delivered a strict and strong message to his employees."

I think Rove should have called up Larry and said "f--k you Larry, and that 'Rat-Donkey you rode in on".

Larry Johnson: the NEW definition of "has-been".

And for no extra charge, he is happy to provide totally WRONG interpretation and analysis!!!

LMAO, what a DEAL he has for YOU!

I love it.
82 posted on 07/25/2005 1:55:21 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Some folks just need killin' = Clint Eastwood as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'...)
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To: Mad Mammoth

As I've been frequently reminded - it's her.


83 posted on 07/25/2005 1:57:53 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Fedora; Cindy
Patrick Lang the registered Lebanese lobbyist for Fouad Makhzoumi's Future Millennium Foundation is also quoted.

Thanks for the ping!

85 posted on 07/25/2005 10:40:16 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: LSUfan
LOL! And for the moonbat Left the obvious question: where is the proof Rove leaked classified information to the media and thereby endangered Valerie Plame's life? I thought so! Its time to move on!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
86 posted on 07/25/2005 10:42:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mad Mammoth

Do not post personal information.


87 posted on 07/26/2005 8:51:15 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Larry Johnson - Got his number.


88 posted on 07/26/2005 8:52:09 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: Mad Mammoth

Bookmark for later.


89 posted on 07/26/2005 9:00:33 AM PDT by rockthecasbah
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To: Mad Mammoth

Eyes Only

http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/005/883raiiu.asp


91 posted on 07/26/2005 9:04:40 AM PDT by tumblindice (After reading this article, print it off. Then eat it.)
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To: Sam Hill
You haven't got any in the first place. The only Pablo Escobar that you or any one of your delusional pals have killed was probably on a Playstation 2.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! I'm CRYING IN HYSTERICS!! Good one!
92 posted on 07/26/2005 9:44:06 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Sam Hill

Johnson you dumb ass!! What else can you pull out of covert, secret, magic hat...more bull shit...


93 posted on 07/26/2005 10:43:44 PM PDT by biff0101
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To: Mad Mammoth
I owe you an apology. Yesterday after you got banned for the day I suggested proceeding with caution because I was concerned you might be a plant like that guy MD whatever his name was.

Please accept my public apology .

94 posted on 07/27/2005 5:53:13 AM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsch"....... "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: Mad Mammoth

bttt!


95 posted on 07/27/2005 6:13:11 AM PDT by meema
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To: mware
I owe you an apology. Yesterday after you got banned for the day I suggested proceeding with caution because I was concerned you might be a plant like that guy MD whatever his name was. Please accept my public apology.

My FRiend, you do not owe me ANY apology whatsoever, because you were proceeding with the proper attitude of exercising caution, and watching out for the overall integrity of FR. It is true that I signed up in October 2004, however I had been lurking on FR for a long time, while I was still a resident over at L.Com.

We see so many trolls and sneaky rascals pop up outta nowhere that caution is ALWAYS advised. So again, no apology needed, keep right on with the wary eye! ;)
96 posted on 07/27/2005 6:29:59 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Some folks just need killin' = Clint Eastwood as 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'...)
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To: Mad Mammoth

Thnak you my friend.


97 posted on 07/27/2005 6:31:58 AM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsch"....... "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: Mad Mammoth; mystery-ak

Larry Johnson -- the Wesley Clark of the CIA.


98 posted on 07/27/2005 6:36:22 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl
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To: Always Right

That is priceless.


99 posted on 07/27/2005 6:48:14 AM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: larryjohnson

Larry Johnson is a just a political oppurtunist now. Trying to make a name for himself. And concerning his comment on Pablo Escobar, any second rate PI could have found Escobar with his flamboyant lifestyle. Its not hard to see 12,000sq mansions in the middle of a jungle with satellites.

Perhaps Larry Johnson would like to comment on Sandy Bergers theft of national security papers. Or the fact that the Clintons handcuffed the CIA for years allowing al qaeda to slip thru the holes in our defense. It is certainly people like Johnson that should be tarred and feathered for his ignorant comments about leaking out Plames identity(even though her husband wrote a book identifying her).

Message to Johnson: Your pathetic attempt to gain notoriety in US politics with your lame comments are transparent. You should be strung up and caned.


100 posted on 07/27/2005 7:00:44 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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