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More People Pulling Out Guns: Guns Donít Solve Disputes, Detective Says (might help keep you alive?)
DUNN DAILY RECORD.COM ^ | JULY 22, 2005 | ROEBERT McNEILL

Posted on 07/22/2005 9:02:56 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Using a gun to resolve an argument is a good way to kill, be killed, or end up in prison.

Though no shots were fired and no one was hurt, the Dunn man who threatened a restaurant manager with a gun could face a quarter century or more in prison if he is prosecuted by the federal government as anticipated, said Dunn Police Det. Anthony Poppler.

Major Alexander Newkirk III, 19, of 51 Saturn Drive, Dunn, is in the Harnett County Jail after being arrested Monday on charges of communicating threats, assault by pointing a gun and possession of a firearm by a felon. He has a prior criminal record dating back to 2002 for larceny, communicating threats and marijuana possession.

Mr. Newkirk is accused of pulling a gun on the Pizza Inn manager after Mr. Newkirk’s sister complained the manager allegedly touched her inappropriately.

Pizza Inn Vice President Fred Rhodes said there is no evidence to support 17-year-old Krystal Newkirk’s claims against the manager, Ronnie Lynn Norris. Miss Newkirk no longer works at the restaurant. And contrary to what customers said, the gun was never fired in the restaurant, Mr. Rhodes said.

Police also say there is no evidence shots were fired.

Weapons Use

Mr. Rhodes said it’s unfortunate when people resort to weapon use to solve disputes. The good part is that the man is behind bars, he said.

“It’s part of their daily lives,” he said. “There are things we have to live with because we’re in a society today where people settle things with guns instead of fists.

“We didn’t cause it to happen, but we were the victim — our business was the victim because of this,” Mr. Rhodes said.

Det. Poppler said more people are using guns to settle disputes.

“Guns are more readily available on the streets now than 10 years ago, and people are readily going to a firearm instead of handling a dispute verbally,” Det. Poppler said. “It produces fear, intimidation and control.”

Most disagreements begin verbally, but if weapons are present they can easily become deadly, Det. Poppler said.

“For example, a domestic violence situation starts verbally, then a slap, then they might brandish a weapon, then eventually end up shooting them,” he said.

Right To Defend From Deadly Force

Det. Poppler said a person has the right to use a firearm for defense when an attacker attempts to use deadly force. But the situation at Pizza Inn and the alleged road rage shooting at Wal-Mart four months ago could have been avoided, he said.

“They should have called 911 and gotten the police there to take care of the situations,” Det. Poppler said.

Such acts are further incited by violent pictures on TV and lyrics in rap music, Det. Poppler said.

“The media portrays this activity in rap videos and movies and teaches our youngsters to use weapons,” he said. “They try to make role models out of rap music artists, and basically saying that such behavior is acceptable.”

Firearm violence can lead to a lengthy prison sentence, Det. Poppler said.

“Dunn Police Department uses the Project Safe Network sentencing guidelines,” he said. “The person can be charged with any three offenses, and the average sentencing is 20 years to life. They will serve the time day for day.”

There are also guidelines for gang, criminal and drug activity. Det. Poppler has experience with firearms charges as the former police chief in Angier.

“In Angier while serving on the police department, we federally indicted 17 people, and the average prison time was 12 years. We now have federal indictments pending on multiple offenders in the City of Dunn,” he said.

Det. Poppler said the four individuals involved in the armed robbery at Friedman’s Jewelers, if convicted, are looking at life in prison.

Mr. Newkirk is likely to be prosecuted by the feds, Det. Poppler said.

“We have contacted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and we have individuals cooperating with the investigators,” he said. “The individual (if convicted) is looking at 25 years to life in prison, and will actually serve the time. The state charges will be dropped once the federal agent has the indictment in hand. Then the case will be pursued on the federal level.”

Det. Poppler said he is not aware of any local lawyers who represent defendants in federal court.”

“To my knowledge, there is no attorney in Harnett County that can represent an individual in federal court. The average retainer is $10,000 and that’s even with a plea. And even if they work out a plea deal, the person will serve from 50 to 75 percent of the sentencing,” Det. Poppler.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: arrest; availability; banglist; dispute; firearm; gus; northcarolina; pizza; rkba; roadrage
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1 posted on 07/22/2005 9:02:58 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

I agree that using violence or the threat of it is no way to settle disputes. Unless that dispute involves somebody threatening your life or property.


2 posted on 07/22/2005 9:05:43 PM PDT by Firefigher NC (Volunteer firefighters- standing tall, serving proud in the tradition of Ben Franklin.)
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To: CHARLITE

So why let cops carry guns, Detective?


3 posted on 07/22/2005 9:09:21 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: CHARLITE

gettin' irked's no cause to throw down, that much is true.


4 posted on 07/22/2005 9:09:23 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: CHARLITE

It's simple. You can either have guns or anger. Not both. Period.


5 posted on 07/22/2005 9:10:59 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: CHARLITE
...the Dunn man who threatened a restaurant manager with a gun could face a quarter century or more in prison...

Up to 25 years for threatening, yet they let cold blooded murderers off much easier with less time on many occasions. What the heck is wrong with people?

6 posted on 07/22/2005 9:11:58 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: CHARLITE

What a poorly written, hodge podge of a story here.

"But the situation at Pizza Inn and the alleged road rage shooting at Wal-Mart four months ago could have been avoided, he said."

What is her referring to here? What does this have to do with the current story?


8 posted on 07/22/2005 9:12:28 PM PDT by garyhope (Gimme iced tea)
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To: CHARLITE

Brandishing my gun stopped me from being carjacked/assaulted many years ago. One look at the gun (not even pointed at him, just shown) and the perp disengaged and left me alone. If I did not have the gun, I might not be writing this today.


9 posted on 07/22/2005 9:16:05 PM PDT by SW6906
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To: SW6906

"Brandishing my gun stopped me from being carjacked/assaulted many years ago. One look at the gun (not even pointed at him, just shown) and the perp disengaged and left me alone. If I did not have the gun, I might not be writing this today."

Thanks for sharing with us. Glad it turned out good for you. These are the kinds of stories that don't get recognition because I'm guessing most in the situation don't even call the cops since nothing happened except a few thugs turning tail in fear, plus it's not "sensational" enough for the news. But I gurantee if the news focused on stories like this more, the public gun debate would be a lot different.


10 posted on 07/22/2005 9:26:10 PM PDT by Firefigher NC (Volunteer firefighters- standing tall, serving proud in the tradition of Ben Franklin.)
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To: CHARLITE; BOBWADE; Mrs Zip
“They should have called 911 and gotten the police there to take care of the situations,” Det. Poppler said.

Translation: Call 911 and the police will show up within 15 minutes to do a body count and write the report.

As one of our FR FRiends tagline reads, "I'd rather be convicted by 12 than carried out by 6", so I guess I'm not a "good" citizen because I would protect my family and myself with a gun.

11 posted on 07/22/2005 9:30:19 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 48% of Americans (NRA))))
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To: CHARLITE

Every time a felon breaks the law with a weapon, these turds use that as justification to try and disarm responsible, law abiding civilians whose only motive is to protect themselves and their families.


12 posted on 07/22/2005 9:31:47 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Beelzebubba
So why let cops carry guns, Detective?

Police departments have clear regulations laying down the circmunstances under which weapons can be drawn, and disciplinary measures for violating them.

The way this incident was reported, there was absolulely no justification for this guy brandishing a weapon. What if the manager had shot him claiming self-defence? Then you have a lose-lose situation all around, and more ammo for the gun grabbers as well. He should do time, IMO. Of course he should not, and will not do 25 years - nothing like it. I'd guess a sentence of 1-2 with a few months actually in the can.

13 posted on 07/22/2005 9:36:32 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: CHARLITE
“They should have called 911 and gotten the police there to take care of the situations,” Det. Poppler said.

Cops rarely get there in time. They are just too busy.

14 posted on 07/22/2005 9:44:24 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: Northern Alliance

The way this incident was reported, there was absolulely no justification for this guy brandishing a weapon.



Agreed. I was just disputing the "people shouldn't have guns around" propaganda that the Detective was spewing.


15 posted on 07/22/2005 9:48:07 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: vpintheak

If he'd raped a minor at gunpoint he'd be out in five tops.


16 posted on 07/22/2005 9:53:24 PM PDT by thoughtomator (How many liberties shall we give up to maintain the pretense that we are not at war with Islam?)
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To: paul51

Not only did you beat me to it, you said it better than I could.


17 posted on 07/22/2005 9:54:33 PM PDT by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Agreed. I was just disputing the "people shouldn't have guns around" propaganda that the Detective was spewing.

No argument from me on that one!

18 posted on 07/22/2005 9:58:18 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: CHARLITE
From the article: “Guns are more readily available on the streets now than 10 years ago, and people are readily going to a firearm instead of handling a dispute verbally,” Det. Poppler said.

Yep. That's why crime rates are up dramatically nationwide.

What? ... Crime rates are down? ... Then I guess this anti-gunner is just spouting nonsense, isn't he?

19 posted on 07/22/2005 9:59:08 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: CHARLITE

There have been three times when having a gun has saved my life. Twice, when I was a teenage girl living in the country, people made attempts to get into the family house while my parents were out of town. On the first occasion, I accidentally fired a shot down into the cellar, frightening the intruder away. On the second occasion four guys who had followed me home and were trying to kick their way in through the glass walls of our living room were dissuaded when I showed them the family .38 S&W from the other side of the glass.

On the third occasion, thirteen years ago, a very determined intruder tried extremely hard to get into my house, and my Browning Hi-Power 9 indicated to him that he had made a poor choice of victim.

On all of these occasions, I called 911 and waited and waited and waited for the police to come. It took a very long time before they made an appearance--so long, in fact, that if I had waited for them I would have been long dead or raped.

Most recently, I have had a great deal of trouble with a stalker. The state's attorney put him away for awhile, but he resumed his obsessive fury when he was released. I believe that he has made no attempts on me because I've let him know through channels that I'm carrying, I've had arms training, and I have enough firepower in my house to personally take Syria.

I agree that brandishing a gun and threatening people with it is stupid. But cops in three states have told me point-blank that they cannot protect me and I need to protect myself. I intend to do so.


20 posted on 07/22/2005 10:12:55 PM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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To: Migraine
It's simple. You can either have guns or anger. Not both. Period.

It's interesting that you say that. When I'm armed, I'm a completely different person than I am otherwise. Much calmer.

21 posted on 07/22/2005 10:16:13 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: CHARLITE
Panic button couldn’t protect woman

Slain NJ Teacher's Tape Reveals More Evidence, Too Bad She Did Not Have a GUN!!

22 posted on 07/22/2005 10:18:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: CHARLITE

Det Poppler talks like he wants to be a police chief someday.


23 posted on 07/22/2005 10:20:37 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Fatiser Visus)
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To: Horatio Gates

In other words, he's not a real cop but a politician.


24 posted on 07/22/2005 10:21:45 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: Dan from Michigan
In other words, he's not a real cop but a politician.

Or practicing to be one

25 posted on 07/22/2005 10:26:20 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Fatiser Visus)
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To: CHARLITE

Someone ask Det. Anthony Poppler how he feels about private armies. You know, those security forces for the wealthy like Teddy Kennedy and Bill Gates has. Also those rented private armies that Hollywood elitists like Rosie O'Donut has. Or how about the taxpayer paid armies that little richie daley of Chicago has. Then ask him why is he worried about a shopkeeper's .38.


26 posted on 07/22/2005 10:39:34 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: CHARLITE

No, they don't SOLVE disputes, they END 'em!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 07/22/2005 10:40:04 PM PDT by pcottraux
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To: Capriole

You said what all law abiding Americans need to read, "cops in three states have told me point-blank that they cannot protect me and I need to protect myself."

This doesn't include telling everyone that you carry or have a weapon available. Only those who are a threat should ever need to learn this information.


29 posted on 07/22/2005 10:59:56 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: vpintheak

Project Safe Neighborhoods is Federal. A while back it was debated, as it trumps State's Rights. What it does do is scares the gang leaders from packing. It hard time.


30 posted on 07/22/2005 11:06:29 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: CHARLITE

This is just an anti-gun piece.
This guy was a convicted felon and criminal, not a law abiding legally armed citizen.


31 posted on 07/22/2005 11:09:20 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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To: SW6906

My wife attended a gun class Thursday and will go to firing range Sat to qualify for CCW permit.


32 posted on 07/22/2005 11:26:11 PM PDT by packrat35 (reality is for people who can't face science fiction)
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To: Capriole

Thanks for sharing. My wife is qualifying for CCW tomorrow.


33 posted on 07/22/2005 11:28:35 PM PDT by packrat35 (reality is for people who can't face science fiction)
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To: Northern Alliance
I'd guess a sentence of 1-2 with a few months actually in the can.

What's the matter with you guys? Read the article.

The guy had a felony conviction therefore he could not legally own or be in possession of a handgun must less have a CCP.

It is a federal crime for anyone who has been convicted of a felony to try to buy, own or be in possession of a handgun.

This guy had to be a fruit cake to be around a gun must less pull one for lousy service. He must have wanted to go back to jail.

He could be looking at a minimum of ten years in federal prison and $20,000 in fines that's why the feds are involved. Brandishing is the least of his worries.

34 posted on 07/22/2005 11:32:56 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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To: B4Ranch; Shooter 2.5
Anti-self defense Pizza Hut:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1139910/posts

Anti-self defence Jack-in-the-box:

http://keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3418

Anti-self defense 7-Eleven:
http://sayanythingblog.com/2005/06/11/self-defense-trumps-corporate-policy/


I'm trying to find a story IIRC an employee of KFC was fired for using a hammer on a robber.
35 posted on 07/22/2005 11:32:57 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: mississippi red-neck

Right! This is what "enforce the laws we already have" mantra is about.


36 posted on 07/22/2005 11:36:34 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: Migraine
It's simple. You can either have guns or anger. Not both. Period.

I believe that with more people packin the less apt people are to get angry.

37 posted on 07/22/2005 11:36:40 PM PDT by scottywr (Remington, Winchester, Ruger, the best friends any American could ask for.)
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To: CHARLITE
we federally indicted 17 people

So, Det Poppler, you DO locally enforce federal law when it suits you; it is just federal immigration law local forces have no duty to enforce?

38 posted on 07/23/2005 12:35:25 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: NRA2BFree

“They should have called 911 and gotten the police there to take care of the situations,” Det. Poppler said.

Juneau Empire

02/26/02

Two pounds of iron can even things out


In response to Mr. Adams's letter "No reason to own a gun," I
laughed when I read the comment on our "excellent police force"
keeping him safe. If being kept safe to Mr. Adams equates with how
fast they are on the scene after a crime is committed, then they are
indeed "excellent." This is not meant to insult the local police.
Just stating the obvious.

His words have the ring of a typical new age coward who is willing
to trade freedom for the false security of government control over
every aspect of their life. Unwilling (and obviously incapable) of
defending himself, he wishes to prevent anyone else from being able
to do so. This, in some mysterious way, makes him feel safe.
Reading between the lines, I made note of the comment about not
needing a gun for subsistence purposes. It automatically makes me
suspect that the next item on his list for the betterment of society
is to outlaw hunting, then fishing, then perhaps meat eating.

A passage from a recently read novel sums it up for me:
"Armed people are free. No state can control those who have the
machinery and the will to resist, no mob can take their liberty and
property. And no 220-pound thug can threaten the well being or
dignity of a 110-pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even
things out."

While Mr. Adams apparently trembles in fear at the very thought that
his neighbors might be armed, I find it comforting to know that my
neighbor is prepared to defend himself and perhaps his neighbor if
need be.

While Mr. Adams might feel secure in a society where only government
officials are permitted to be armed, I find such a prospect
frightening.

I am sure that Mr. Adams will feel very secure, if he is ever in a
life-threatening situation, to use his threat to dial 911 as a
defense. "Hold it right there! I have a cell phone and I'm not
afraid to use it"!!!

One thing for certain, Mr. Adams, anyone looking for a likely target
has already been informed by your letter that you are a much better
one than I.

Ed



Juneau


39 posted on 07/23/2005 12:47:39 AM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: CHARLITE
Major Alexander Newkirk III ... has a prior criminal record dating back to 2002

So...this isn't about gun rights at all. It's about a punk-ass kid who's got a criminal background acting like (surprise!) a punk-ass kid who's got a criminal background.

40 posted on 07/23/2005 1:12:00 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, yesterday's deviants are today's "alternate lifestyles.")
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To: mississippi red-neck
What's the matter with you guys?
Read the article.

The guy had a felony conviction therefore he could not legally own or be in possession of a handgun must less have a CCP.

It is a federal crime for anyone who has been convicted of a felony to try to buy, own or be in possession of a handgun.

I assumed there was a valid reason he was not charged with that.

41 posted on 07/23/2005 1:13:43 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Firefigher NC; Joe Brower
Actually there is a ping list, right here on FR that specializes in newstories that reflect citizens defending themselves in exactly this manner. Want me to get you a link? You can also ask 2nd Amendment PING list (different one) freeper Jow Brower to put you on his list for a more general take. I actually asked to be removed from the self defense list as it got to be too big and I'm more interested in the Threat Matrix continuing threads.
42 posted on 07/23/2005 1:48:26 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Joe Brower
Joe just to clarify: I wish to continue to be on your Second Amendment PING list!
43 posted on 07/23/2005 1:53:56 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: mississippi red-neck
"It is a federal crime for anyone who has been convicted of a felony to try to buy, own or be in possession of a handgun."

Only if the firearm had been "shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce." [ 18 USC section 922(g) ]

Most of the Federal gun-control laws are based on interstate commerce.

44 posted on 07/23/2005 2:06:03 AM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: SW6906
Brandishing my gun stopped me from being carjacked/assaulted many years ago. One look at the gun (not even pointed at him, just shown) and the perp disengaged and left me alone. If I did not have the gun, I might not be writing this today.

I had a very similar experience in 1996. A group of punks (clearly high school age) tried to force me off the road as I was on the way home from my gun club meeting. I attempted to elude them (safely in traffic--almost an oxymoron). When I had no more room, I drew my .45 and they disappeared. I was greatly relieved. I could imagine the headline: Public School Teacher Wipes Out Students!

45 posted on 07/23/2005 2:44:53 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Northern Alliance
Police departments have clear regulations laying down the circmunstances under which weapons can be drawn, and disciplinary measures for violating them.

Thanks for the early Saturday morning comic relief! Blackbird.

46 posted on 07/23/2005 3:04:30 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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To: BlackbirdSST

You're welcome. BTW, you don't have to sign your name twice. Once is plenty.


47 posted on 07/23/2005 3:18:01 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: ExSoldier
I roger that. Gotcha covered.
48 posted on 07/23/2005 5:11:30 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Constitution Day; TaxRelief; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; Adder; ...
Ah. A we need "government babysitters" article. Sure, I'll ping it just to make sure my fellow NCers are up and awake. ;>

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day OR TaxRelief OR Alia if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
49 posted on 07/23/2005 5:22:54 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Northern Alliance
You're welcome. BTW, you don't have to sign your name twice. Once is plenty.

I'll sign my name as many times as I care to, thank you very much for the concern though! Blackbird.

50 posted on 07/23/2005 5:28:36 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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