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Attack in London : the "war" excuse
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 07/23/05 | Editorial

Posted on 07/22/2005 9:35:45 PM PDT by smoothsailing

Attack in London: The 'war' excuse

Saturday, July 23, 2005

London's worst bombing since World War II, followed Thursday by four small explosions that struck underground train stations and a bus, have prompted dire warnings to Great Britain about the war in Iraq.

By taking up arms with the United States, the logic goes, Britain has brought the bombings on itself.

But those who strap on bombs to blow up civilians don't need a war to justify their agenda. Their jihad was ingrained long before Americans or British troops ever stepped foot in Iraq.

Consider just a partial resume of modern-day terrorists' acts:

-the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland
-the Israeli embassy bombing in Argentina in 1992
-the World Trade Center bombing in 1993
-the Riyadh military compound bombing in Saudi Arabia in 1995
-the bombing of American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998
-and the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000.

At the time of each attack there was no war -- except for the one that burned in demented minds.

And on 9/11, what "war" sent suicidal terrorists into the sky.....SNIP

What nation did the U.S. occupy then?

Today, two years after the invasion, Iraq has become a hotbed for imported insurgency and terrorism, a veritable mecca for those who seethe with hatred against America and all it represents.

And if there was no war? Those who despise the United States, its allies and all it represents have never needed a war to act upon their hatred with cold-blooded determination.

© 2004 by The Tribune-Review Publishing Co.

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1 posted on 07/22/2005 9:35:45 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I thought the soccer "hooligans" were going to take care of matters?

Don't tell me that they're only about drinking and talking big....

2 posted on 07/22/2005 9:44:01 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: smoothsailing; Grampa Dave


The Left's frequent contention that the global jihad is animated by "foreign policy" or "rights denied to Muslims" or "Muslims are being slaughtered" is absolutely infuriating. The jihad long predates Britain's role in the liberation of Iraq, and it ain't Methodists who keep chopping heads off and have CENTURIES of history of doing so (cf. the Barbary Pirates, or google on "Gates of Vienna", or simply sample the latter suras in the Qu'ran).

Consider the following, and then ask yourself "How can this be anyone's fault but the Islamists'?"


The following is courtesy of "Grampa Dave" on


(Eurotwit is developing a list of Jihadist rapes of Euro women and other attacks on women by the Jihadists. That will be out soon.)

Long list of Jihadist acts of terrorism, murder, mass murders and other un civilized actions:


Assaination of Robert Kenedy by a pali gunman.

Attack on the Munich Airport, February 10, 1970: 1 killed,11 were injured.

Munich Olympic Massacre, September 5, 1972: 14 killed when Eight Palestinian "Black September"

Ambassador to Sudan Assassinated, March 2, 1973: 1 dead. U.S. Ambassador to Sudan Cleo A. Noel

Attack and Hijacking at the Rome Airport, December 17, 1973: 31 Dead, body thrown out onto the tarmac in Lebenon
Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976: Air France airliner and its 258 passengers. Liberated by the IDF

US Ambassador to Afghanistan Assassinated, February 14, 1979: Four Afghans kidnapped U.S. Ambassador Adolph Dubs killed in Kabul.

Iran Hostage Crisis, November 4, 1979: After President Carter agreed to admit the Shah of Iran into the US, Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage for 444 days. Thirteen hostages were soon released, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981.

Grand Mosque Seizure, November 20, 1979: 200 Islamic terrorists seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, taking hundreds of pilgrims hostage. Saudi and French security forces retook the shrine after an intense battle in which some 250 people were killed and 600 wounded.


Assassination of Egyptian President, October 6, 1981: Soldiers who were secretly members of the Takfir Wal-Hajira sect attacked and killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a troop review.

Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut, April 18, 1983: Sixty-three people, including the CIA’s Middle East director, were killed and 120 were injured in a 400-pound suicide truck-bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, October 23, 1983: Simultaneous suicide truck-bomb attacks were made on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000-pound bomb destroyed the U.S. compound, killing 242 Americans, while 58 French troops were killed when a 400-pound device destroyed a French base. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Kidnapping of Embassy Official, March 16, 1984: The Islamic Jihad kidnapped and later murdered Political Officer William Buckley in Beirut, Lebanon. Other U.S. citizens not connected to the U.S. government were seized over a succeeding two-year period.

Restaurant Bombing in Spain, April 12, 1984: 18 U.S. servicemen were killed and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain.

TWA Hijacking, June 14, 1985: A Trans-World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by two Lebanese Hizballah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for seventeen days, during which one American hostage, a U.S. Navy sailor, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft was returned to Beirut after Israel released 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.

Soviet Diplomats Kidnapped, September 30, 1985: In Beirut, Lebanon, Sunni terrorists kidnapped four Soviet diplomats. One was killed but three were later released.

Achille Lauro Hijacking, October 7, 1985: Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seized the Italian cruise liner in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, taking more than 700 hostages. One U.S. passenger was murdered before the Egyptian government offered the terrorists safe haven in return for the hostages’ freedom.

Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, November 23, 1985: An EgyptAir airplane bound from Athens to Malta and carrying several U.S. citizens was hijacked by the Abu Nidal Group.

Airport Attacks in Rome and Vienna, December 27, 1985: Four gunmen belonging to the Abu Nidal Organization attacked the El Al and Trans World Airlines ticket counters at Rome’s Leonardo da Vinci Airport with grenades and automatic rifles. Thirteen persons were killed and 75 were wounded before Italian police and Israeli security guards killed three of the gunmen and captured the fourth. Three more Abu Nidal gunmen attacked the El Al ticket counter at Vienna’s Schwechat Airport, killing three persons and wounding 30. Austrian police killed one of the gunmen and captured the others.

Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986: A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached Athens airport, killing four U.S. citizens.

Berlin Discothèque Bombing, April 5, 1986: Two U.S. soldiers were killed and 79 American servicemen were injured in a Libyan bomb attack on a nightclub in West Berlin, West Germany. In retaliation U.S. military jets bombed targets in and around Tripoli and Benghazi.

Kidnapping of William Higgins, February 17, 1988: U.S. Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian-backed Hizballah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon.

Naples USO Attack, April 14, 1988: The Organization of Jihad Brigades exploded a car-bomb outside a USO Club in Naples, Italy, killing one U.S. sailor.

Pan Am 103 Bombing, December 21, 1988: Pan American Airlines Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb believed to have been placed on the aircraft by Libyan terrorists in Frankfurt, West Germany. All 259 people on board were killed.

Bombing of UTA Flight 772, September 19, 1989: A bomb explosion destroyed UTA Flight 772 over the Sahara Desert in southern Niger during a flight from Brazzaville to Paris. All 170 persons aboard were killed. Six Libyans were later found guilty in absentia and sentenced to life imprisonment.


Attempted Iraqi Attacks on U.S. Posts, January 18-19, 1991: Iraqi agents planted bombs at the U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia’s home residence and at the USIS library in Manila.

Bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17, 1992: Hizballah claimed responsibility for a blast that leveled the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, causing the deaths of 29 and wounding 242.

World Trade Center Bombing, February 26, 1993: The World Trade Center in New York City was badly damaged when a car bomb planted by Islamic terrorists exploded in an underground garage. The bomb left 6 people dead and 1,000 injured. The men carrying out the attack were followers of Umar Abd al-Rahman, an Egyptian cleric who preached in the New York City area.

Attempted Assassination of President Bush by Iraqi Agents, April 14, 1993: The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait. In retaliation, the U.S. launched a cruise missile attack 2 months later on the Iraqi capital Baghdad.

Air France Hijacking, December 24, 1994: Members of the Armed Islamic Group seized an Air France Flight to Algeria. The four terrorists were killed during a rescue effort.

Attack on U.S. Diplomats in Pakistan, March 8, 1995: Two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in Karachi, Pakistan.

Kashmiri Hostage-taking, July 4, 1995: In India six foreigners, including two U.S. citizens, were taken hostage by Al-Faran, a Kashmiri separatist group. One non-U.S. hostage was later found beheaded.

Jerusalem Bus Attack, August 21, 1995: HAMAS claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed 6 and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens.

Saudi Military Installation Attack, November 13, 1995: The Islamic Movement of Change planted a bomb in a Riyadh military compound that killed one U.S. citizen, several foreign national employees of the U.S. government, and over 40 others.

Egyptian Embassy Attack, November 19, 1995: A suicide bomber drove a vehicle into the Egyptian Embassy compound in Islamabad, Pakistan, killing at least 16 and injuring 60 persons. Three militant Islamic groups claimed responsibility.

HAMAS Bus Attack, February 26, 1996: In Jerusalem, a suicide bomber blew up a bus, killing 26 persons, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring some 80 persons, including three other US citizens.

Dizengoff Center Bombing, March 4, 1996: HAMAS and the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) both claimed responsibility for a bombing outside of Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall that killed 20 persons and injured 75 others, including 2 U.S. citizens.

West Bank Attack, May 13, 1996: Arab gunmen opened fire on a bus and a group of Yeshiva students near the Bet El settlement, killing a dual U.S./Israeli citizen and wounding three Israelis. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but HAMAS was suspected.

Khobar Towers Bombing, June 25, 1996: A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the US military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel. Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack.

Egyptian Letter Bombs, January 2-13, 1997: A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt, postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, New York City, London, and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.

Empire State Building Sniper Attack, February 23, 1997: A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."

Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, September 4, 1997: Three suicide bombers of HAMAS detonated bombs in the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing eight persons, including the bombers, and wounding nearly 200 others. A dual U.S./Israeli citizen was among the dead, and 7 U.S. citizens were wounded.

Murder of U.S. Businessmen in Pakistan, November 12, 1997: Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi. In a letter to Pakistani newspapers, the Aimal Khufia Action Committee also claimed responsibility.

Tourist Killings in Egypt, November 17, 1997: Al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya (IG) gunmen shot and killed 58 tourists and four Egyptians and wounded 26 others at the Hatshepsut Temple in the Valley of the Kings near Luxor. Thirty-four Swiss, eight Japanese, five Germans, four Britons, one French, one Colombian, a dual Bulgarian/British citizen, and four unidentified persons were among the dead. Twelve Swiss, two Japanese, two Germans, one French, and nine Egyptians were among the wounded.

Somali Hostage-takings, April 15, 1998: Somali militiamen abducted nine Red Cross and Red Crescent workers at an airstrip north of Mogadishu. The hostages included a U.S. citizen, a German, a Belgian, a French, a Norwegian, two Swiss, and one Somali. The gunmen were members of a sub-clan loyal to Ali Mahdi Mohammed, who controlled the northern section of the capital.

U.S. Embassy Bombings in East Africa, August 7, 1998: A bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 12 U.S. citizens, 32 Foreign Service Nationals (FSNs), and 247 Kenyan citizens. Approximately 5,000 Kenyans, 6 U.S. citizens, and 13 FSNs were injured. The U.S. Embassy building sustained extensive structural damage. Almost simultaneously, a bomb detonated outside the U.S. Embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 7 FSNs and 3 Tanzanian citizens, and injuring 1 U.S. citizen and 76 Tanzanians. The explosion caused major structural damage to the U.S. Embassy facility. The U.S. Government held Usama Bin Laden responsible.

Indian Airlines Airbus Hijacking, December 24, 1999: Five militants hijacked a flight bound from Katmandu to New Delhi carrying 189 people. The plane and its passengers were released unharmed on December 31.

2000 and beyond

Kidnappings in Kyrgyzstan, August 12, 2000: In the Kara-Su Valley, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan took four U.S. citizens hostage. The Americans escaped on August 12.

Church Bombing in Tajikistan, October 1, 2000: Unidentified militants detonated two bombs in a Christian church in Dushanbe, killing seven persons and injuring 70 others. The church was founded by a Korean-born U.S. citizen, and most of those killed and wounded were Korean. No one claimed responsibility.

Attack on U.S.S. Cole, October 12, 2000: In Aden, Yemen, a small dingy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others. Supporters of Usama Bin Laden were suspected.

Manila Bombing, December 30, 2000: A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the U.S. Embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front was likely responsible.

Suicide Bombing in Israel, March 4, 2001: A suicide bomb attack in Netanya killed 3 persons and wounded 65. HAMAS later claimed responsibility.

Airliner Hijacking in Istanbul, March 15, 2001: Three Chechens hijacked a Russian airliner during a flight from Istanbul to Moscow and forced it to fly to Medina, Saudi Arabia. The plane carried 162 passengers and a crew of 12. After a 22-hour siege during which more than 40 passengers were released, Saudi security forces stormed the plane, killing a hijacker, a passenger, and a flight attendant.

Bus Stop Bombing, April 22, 2001: A member of HAMAS detonated a bomb he was carrying near a bus stop in Kfar Siva, Israel, killing one person and injuring 60.

Philippines Hostage Incident, May 27, 2001: Muslim Abu Sayyaf guerrillas seized 13 tourists and 3 staff members at a resort on Palawan Island and took their captives to Basilan Island. The captives included three U.S.
citizens: Guellermo Sobero and missionaries Martin and Gracia Burnham. Philippine troops fought a series of battles with the guerrillas between June 1 and June 3 during which 9 hostages escaped and two were found dead. The guerrillas took additional hostages when they seized the hospital in the town of Lamitan. On June 12, Abu Sayyaf spokesman Abu Sabaya claimed that Sobero had been killed and beheaded; his body was found in October. The Burnhams remained in captivity until June 2002.

Tel-Aviv Nightclub Bombing, June 1, 2001: HAMAS claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing of a popular Israeli nightclub that caused over 140 casualties.

HAMAS Restaurant Bombing, August 9, 2001: A HAMAS-planted bomb detonated in a Jerusalem pizza restaurant, killing 15 people and wounding more than 90. The Israeli response included occupation of Orient House, the Palestine Liberation Organization’s political headquarters in East Jerusalem.

Suicide Bombing in Israel, September 9, 2001: The first suicide bombing carried out by an Israeli Arab killed 3 persons in Nahariya. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

Death of "the Lion of the Panjshir", September 9, 2001: Two suicide bombers fatally wounded Ahmed Shah Massoud, a leader of Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance, which had opposed both the Soviet occupation and the post-Soviet Taliban government. The bombers posed as journalists and were apparently linked to al-Qaida. The Northern Alliance did not confirm Massoud’s death until September 15.

Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Homeland, September 11, 2001: Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Soon thereafter, the Pentagon was struck by a third hijacked plane. A fourth hijacked plane, suspected to be bound for a high-profile target in Washington, crashed into a field in southern Pennsylvania. The attacks killed 3,025 U.S. citizens and other nationals. President Bush and Cabinet officials indicated that Usama Bin Laden was the prime suspect and that they considered the United States in a state of war with international terrorism. In the aftermath of the attacks, the United States formed the Global Coalition Against Terrorism.

Attack on the Jammu and Kashmir Legislature, October 1, 2001: After a suicide car bomber forced the gate of the state legislature in Srinagar, two gunmen entered the building and held off police for seven hours before being killed. Forty persons died in the incident. Jaish-e-Muhammad claimed responsibility.

Anthrax Attacks, October-November 2001: On October 7 the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that investigators had detected evidence that the deadly anthrax bacterium was present in the building where a Florida man who died of anthrax on October 5 had worked. Discovery of a second anthrax case triggered a major investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The two anthrax cases were the first to appear in the United States in 25 years. Anthrax subsequently appeared in mail received by television networks in New York and by the offices in Washington of Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and other members of Congress. Attorney General John Ashcroft said in a briefing on October 16, "When people send anthrax through the mail to hurt people and invoke terror, it’s a terrorist act."

Assassination of an Israeli Cabinet Minister, October 17, 2001: A Palestinian gunman assassinated Israeli Minister of Tourism Rehavam Zeevi in the Jerusalem hotel where he was staying. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) claimed to have avenged the death of PFLP Mustafa Zubari.

Attack on a Church in Pakistan, October 28, 2001: Six masked gunmen shot up a church in Bahawalpur, Pakistan, killing 15 Pakistani Christians. No group claimed responsibility, although various militant Muslim groups were suspected.

Suicide Bombings in Jerusalem, December 1, 2001: Two suicide bombers attacked a Jerusalem shopping mall, killing 10 persons and wounding 170.

Suicide Bombing in Haifa, December 2, 2001: A suicide bomb attack aboard a bus in Haifa, Israel, killed 15 persons and wounded 40. HAMAS claimed responsibility for both this attack and those on December 1 to avenge the death of a HAMAS member at the hands of Israeli forces a week earlier.

Attack on the Indian Parliament, December 13, 2001: Five gunmen attacked the Indian Parliament in New Delhi shortly after it had adjourned. Before security forces killed them, the attackers killed 6 security personnel and a gardener. Indian officials blamed Lashkar-e-Tayyiba and demanded that Pakistan crack down on it and on other Muslim separatist groups in Kashmir.

Ambush on the West Bank, January 15, 2002: Palestinian militants fired on a vehicle in Beit Sahur, killing one passenger and wounding the other. The dead passenger claimed U.S. and Israeli citizenship. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Battalion claimed responsibility.

Kidnapping of Daniel Pearl, January 23, 2002: Armed militants kidnapped Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Karachi, Pakistan. Pakistani authorities received a videotape on February 20 depicting Pearl’s murder. His grave was found near Karachi on May 16. Pakistani authorities arrested four suspects. Ringleader Ahmad Omar Saeed Sheikh claimed to have organized Pearl’s kidnapping to protest Pakistan’s subservience to the United States, and had belonged to Jaish-e-Muhammad, an Islamic separatist group in Kashmir. All four suspects were convicted on July 15. Saeed Sheikh was sentenced to death, the others to life imprisonment.

Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, January 27, 2002: A suicide bomb attack in Jerusalem killed one other person and wounded 100. The incident was the first suicide bombing made by a Palestinian woman.

Suicide Bombing in the West Bank, February 16, 2002: A suicide bombing in an outdoor food court in Karmei Shomron killed 4 persons and wounded 27. Two of the dead and two of the wounded were U.S. citizens. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombing in the West Bank, March 7, 2002: A suicide bombing in a supermarket in the settlement of Ariel wounded 10 persons, one of whom was a U.S. citizen. The PFLP claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, March 21, 2002: A suicide bombing in Jerusalem killed 3 persons and wounded 86 more, including 2 U.S. citizens. The Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombing in Israel, March 27, 2002: A suicide bombing in a noted restaurant in Netanya, Israel, killed 22 persons and wounded 140. One of the dead was a U.S. citizen. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) claimed responsibility.

Temple Bombing in Kashmir, March 30, 2002: A bomb explosion at a Hindu temple in Jammu, Kashmir, killed 10 persons. The Islamic Front claimed responsibility.

Synagogue Bombing in Tunisia, April 11, 2002: A suicide bomber detonated a truck loaded with propane gas outside a historic synagogue in Djerba, Tunisia. The 16 dead included 11 Germans, one French citizen, and three Tunisians. Twenty-six German tourists were injured. The Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Sites claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, April 12, 2002: A female suicide bomber killed 6 persons in Jerusalem and wounded 90 others. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility.

Car Bombing in Pakistan, May 8, 2002: A car bomb exploded near a Pakistani navy shuttle bus in Karachi, killing 12 persons and wounding 19. Eleven of the dead and 11 of the wounded were French nationals. Al-Qaida was suspected of the attack.

Parade Bombing in Russia, May 9, 2002: A remotely-controlled bomb exploded near a May Day parade in Kaspiisk, Dagestan, killing 42 persons and wounding 150. Fourteen of the dead and 50 of the wounded were soldiers. Islamists linked to al-Qaida were suspected.

Attack on a Bus in India, May 14, 2002: Militants fired on a passenger bus in Kaluchak, Jammu, killing 7 persons. They then entered a military housing complex and killed 3 soldiers and 7 military dependents before they were killed. The al-Mansooran and Jamiat ul-Mujahedin claimed responsibility.

Bomb Attacks in Kashmir, May 17, 2002: A bomb explosion near a civil secretariat area in Srinagar, Kashmir, wounded 6 persons. In Jammu, a bomb exploded at a fire services headquarters, killing two and wounding 16. No group claimed responsibility for either attack.

Hostage Rescue Attempt in the Philippines, June 7, 2002: Philippine Army troops attacked Abu Sayyaf terrorists on Mindanao Island in an attempt to rescue U.S. citizen Martin Burnham and his wife Gracia, who had been kidnapped more than a year ago. Burnham was killed but his wife, though wounded, was freed. A Filipino hostage was killed, as were four of the guerrillas. Seven soldiers were wounded.

Car Bombing in Pakistan, June 14, 2002: A car bomb exploded near the U.S. Consulate and the Marriott Hotel in Karachi, Pakistan. Eleven persons were killed and 51 were sounded, including one U.S. and one Japanese citizen. Al Qaida and al-Qanin were suspected.

Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, June 19, 2002: A suicide bombing at a bus stop in Jerusalem killed 6 persons and wounded 43, including 2 U.S. citizens. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombing in Tel Aviv, July 17, 2002: Two suicide bombers attacked the old bus station in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 5 persons and wounding 38. The dead included one Romanian and two Chinese; another Romanian was wounded. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Bombing at the Hebrew University, July 31, 2002: A bomb hidden in a bag in the Frank Sinatra International Student Center of Jerusalem’s Hebrew University killed 9 persons and wounded 87. The dead included 5 U.S. citizens and 4 Israelis. The wounded included 4 U.S. citizens, 2 Japanese, and 3 South Koreans. The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombing in Israel, August 4, 2002: A suicide bomb attack on a bus in Safed, Israel, killed 9 persons and wounded 50. Two of the dead were Philippine citizens; many of the wounded were soldiers returning from leave. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

Attack on a School in Pakistan, August 5, 2002: Gunmen attacked a Christian school attended by children of missionaries from around the world. Six persons (two security guards, a cook, a carpenter, a receptionist, and a private citizen) were killed and a Philippine citizen was wounded. A group called al-Intigami al-Pakistani claimed responsibility.

Attack on Pilgrims in Kashmir, August 6, 2002: Armed militants attacked a group of Hindu pilgrims with guns and grenades in Pahalgam, Kashmir. Nine persons were killed and 32 were wounded. The Lashkar-e-Tayyiba claimed responsibility.

Assassination in Kashmir, September 11, 2002: Gunmen killed Kashmir’s Law Minister Mushtaq Ahmed Lone and six security guards in Tikipora. Lashkar-e-Tayyiga, Jamiat ul-Mujahedin, and Hizb ul-Mujahedin all claimed responsibility. Other militants attacked the residence of the Minister of Tourism with grenades, injuring four persons. No group claimed responsibility.

Ambush on the West Bank, September 18, 2002: Gunmen ambushed a vehicle on a road near Yahad, killing an Israeli and wounding a Romanian worker. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bomb Attack in Israel, September 19, 2002: A suicide bomb attack on a bus in Tel Aviv killed 6 persons and wounded 52. One of the dead was a British subject. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

Attack on a French Tanker, October 6, 2002: An explosive-laden boat rammed the French oil tanker Limburg, which was anchored about 5 miles off al-Dhabbah, Yemen. One person was killed and 4 were wounded. Al-Qaida was suspected.

Car Bomb Explosion in Bali, October 12, 2002: A car bomb exploded outside the Sari Club Discotheque in Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia, killing 202 persons and wounding 300 more. Most of the casualties, including 88 of the dead, were Australian tourists. Seven Americans were among the dead. Al-Qaida claimed responsibility. Two suspects were later arrested and convicted. Iman Samudra, who had trained in Afghanistan with al-Qaeda and was suspected of belonging to Jemaah Islamiya, was sentenced to death on September 10, 2003.

Chechen Rebels Seize a Moscow Theater, October 23-26, 2002: Fifty Chechen rebels led by Movsar Barayev seized the Palace of Culture Theater in Moscow, Russia, to demand an end to the war in Chechnya. They seized more than 800 hostages from 13 countries and threatened to blow up the theater. During a three-day siege, they killed a Russian policeman and five Russian hostages. On October 26, Russian Special Forces pumped an anesthetic gas through the ventilation system and then stormed the theater. All of the rebels were killed, but 94 hostages (including one American) also died, many from the effects of the gas. A group led by Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, November 21, 2002: A suicide bomb attack on a bus on Mexico Street in Jerusalem killed 11 persons and wounded 50 more. One of the dead was a Romanian. HAMAS claimed responsibility.

Attack on Temples in Kashmir, November 24, 2002: Armed militants attacked the Reghunath and Shiv temples in Jammu, Kashmir, killing 13 persons and wounding 50. The Lashkare-e-Tayyiba claimed responsibility.

Attacks on Israeli Tourists in Kenya, November 28, 2002: A three-person suicide car bomb attack on the Paradise Hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 15 persons and wounded 40. Three of the dead and 18 of the wounded were Israeli tourists; the others were Kenyans. Near Mombasa’s airport, two SA-7 shoulder-fired missiles were fired as an Arkia Airlines Boeing 757 that was carrying 261 passengers back to Israel. Both missiles missed. Al-Qaida, the Government of Universal Palestine in Exile, and the Army of Palestine claimed responsibility for both attacks. Al-Ittihad al-Islami was also suspected of involvement.

Attack on a Bus in the Philippines, December 26, 2002: Armed militants ambushed a bus carrying Filipino workers employed by the Canadian Toronto Ventures Inc. Pacific mining company in Zamboanga del Norte. Thirteen persons were killed and 10 wounded. Philippine authorities suspected the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), which had been extorting money from Toronto Ventures. The Catholic charity Caritas-Philippines said that Toronto Ventures had harassed tribesmen who opposed mining on their ancestral lands.

Bombing of a Government Building in Chechnya, December 27, 2002: A suicide bomb attack involving two explosives-laden trucks destroyed the offices of the pro-Russian Chechen government in Grozny. The attack killed over 80 people and wounded 210. According to a Chechen website run by the Kavkaz Center, Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombings in Tel Aviv, January 5, 2003: Two suicide bomb attacks killed 22 and wounded at least 100 persons in Tel Aviv, Israel. Six of the victims were foreign workers. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility.

Assasination of a Kurdish Leader, February 8, 2003: Members of Ansar al-Islam assassinated Kurdish legislator Shawkat Haji Mushir and captured two other Kurdish officials in Qamash Tapa in northern Iraq.

Suicide Bombing in Netanya, March 30, 2003: A suicide bombing in a cafe in Netanya, Israel, wounded 38 persons. Only the bomber was killed. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility and called the attack a "gift" to the people of Iraq.

Truck Bomb Attacks in Saudi Arabia, May 12, 2003: Suicide bombers attacked three residential compounds for foreign workers in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The 34 dead included 9 attackers, 7 other Saudis, 9 U.S. citizens, and one citizen each from the United Kingdom, Ireland, and the Philippines. Another American died on June 1. It was the first major attack on U.S. targets in Saudi Arabia since the end of the war in Iraq. Saudi authorities arrested 11 al-Qaida suspects on May 28.

Truck Bombing in Chechnya, May 12, 2003: A truck bomb explosion demolished a government compound in Znamenskoye, Chechnya, killing 54 persons. Russian authorities blamed followers of a Saudi-born Islamist named Abu Walid. President Vladimir Putin said that he suspected that there was an al-Qaida connection.

Attempted Assassination in Chechnya, May 12, 2003: Two female suicide bombers attacked Chechen Administrator Mufti Akhmed Kadyrov during a religious festival in Iliskhan Yurt. Kadyrov escaped injury, but 14 other persons were killed and 43 were wounded. Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bomb Attacks in Morocco, May 16, 2003: A team of 12 suicide bombers attacked five targets in Casablanca, Morocco, killing 43 persons and wounding 100. The targets were a Spanish restaurant, a Jewish community, a Jewish cemetery, a hotel, and the Belgian Consulate. The Moroccan Government blamed the Islamist al-Assirat al-Moustaquim (The Righteous Path), but foreign commentators suspected an al-Qaida connection.

Suicide Bomb Attack in Jerusalem, May 18, 2003: A suicide bomb attack on a bus in Jerusalem’s French Hill district killed 7 persons and wounded 20. The bomber was disguised as a religious Jew. HAMAS claimed responsibility

Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, June 11, 2003: A suicide bombing aboard a bus in Jerusalem killed 16 persons and wounded at least 70, one of whom died later. HAMAS claimed responsibility, calling it revenge for an Israeli helicopter attack on HAMAS leader Abdelaziz al-Rantisi in Gaza City the day before.

Truck Bombing in Northern Ossetia, August 1, 2003: A suicide truck bomb attack destroyed a Russian military hospital in Mozdok, North Ossetia and killed 50 persons. Russian authorities attributed the attack to followers of Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev.

Hotel Bombing in Indonesia, August 5, 2003: A car bomb exploded outside the Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia, killing 10 persons and wounding 150. One of the dead was a Dutch citizen. The wounded included an American, a Canadian, an Australian, and two Chinese. Indonesian authorities suspected the Jemaah Islamiah, which had carried out the October 12, 2002 bombing in Bali.

Bombing of the Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad, August 7, 2003: A car bomb exploded outside the Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq, killing 19 persons and wounding 65. Most of the victims were apparently Iraqis, including 5 police officers. No group claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombings in Israel and the West Bank, August 12, 2003: The first suicide bombings since the June 29 Israeli-Palestinian truce took place. The first, in a supermarket at Rosh Haayin, Israel, killed one person and wounded 14. The second, at a bus stop near the Ariel settlement in the West Bank, killed one person and wounded 3. The al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades claimed responsibility for the first; HAMAS claimed responsibility for the second.

Bombing of the UN Headquarters in Baghdad, August 19, 2003: A truck loaded with surplus Iraqi ordnance exploded outside the United Nations Headquarters in Baghdad’s Canal Hotel. A hospital across the street was also heavily damaged. The 23 dead included UN Special Representative Sergio Viera de Mello. More than 100 persons were wounded. It was not clear whether the bomber was a Baath Party loyalist or a foreign Islamic militant. An al-Qaeda branch called the Brigades of the Martyr Abu Hafz al-Masri later claimed responsibility.

Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem, August 19, 2003: A suicide bombing aboard a bus in Jerusalem killed 20 persons and injured at least 100, one of whom died later. Five of the dead were American citizens. HAMAS and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility, although HAMAS leader al-Rantisi said that his organization remained committed to the truce while reserving the right to respond to Israeli military actions.

Car Bomb Kills Shi’ite Leader in Najaf, August 29, 2003: A car bomb explosion outside the Shrine of the Imam Ali in Najaf, Iraq killed at least 81 persons and wounded at least 140. The dead included the Ayatollah Mohammed Bakir al-Hakim, one of four leading Shi’ite clerics in Iraq. Al-Hakim had been the leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) since its establishment in 1982, and SCIRI had recently agreed to work with the U.S.-sponsored Iraqi Governing Council. It was not known whether the perpetrators were Baath Party loyalists, rival Shi’ites, or foreign Islamists.

Suicide Bombings in Israel, September 9, 2003: Two suicide bombings took place in Israel. The first, at a bus stop near the Tsrifin army base southeast of Tel Aviv, killed 7 soldiers and wounded 14 soldiers and a civilian. The second, at a café in Jerusalem’s German Colony neighborhood, killed 6 persons and wounded 40. HAMAS did not claim responsibility until the next day, although a spokesman called the first attack" a response to Israeli aggression."

Assassination of an Iraqi Governing Council Member, September 20, 2003: Gunmen shot and seriously wounded Akila Hashimi, one of three female members of the Iraqi Governing Council, near her home in Baghdad. She died September 25.

A Second Attack on the UN Headquarters in Baghdad, September 22, 2003: A suicide car bomb attack on the UN Headquarters in Baghdad killed a security guard and wounded 19 other persons.

Suicide Bombing in Israel, October 4, 2003: A Palestinian woman made a suicide bomb attack on a restaurant in Haifa, killing 19 persons and wounding at least 55. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The next day, Israel bombed a terrorist training camp in Syria.

Attacks in Iraq, October 9, 2003: Gunmen assassinated a Spanish military attaché in Baghdad. A suicide car bomb attack on an Iraqi police station killed 8 persons and wounded 40.

Car Bombings in Baghdad, October 12, 2003: Two suicide car bombs exploded outside the Baghdad Hotel, which housed U.S. officials. Six persons were killed and 32 wounded. Iraqi and U.S. security personnel apparently kept the cars from actually reaching the hotel.

Bomb Attack on U.S. Diplomats in the Gaza Strip, October 15, 2003: A remote-controlled bomb exploded under a car in a U.S. diplomatic convoy passing through the northern Gaza Strip. Three security guards, all employees of DynCorp, were killed. A fourth was wounded. The diplomats were on their way to interview Palestinian candidates for Fulbright scholarships to study in the United States. Palestinian President Arafat and Prime Minister Qurei condemned the attack, while the major Palestinian militant groups denied responsibility. The next day, Palestinian security forces arrested several suspects, some of whom belonged to the Popular Resistance Committees.

Rocket Attack on the al-Rashid Hotel in Baghdad, October 26, 2003: Iraqis using an improvised rocket launcher bombarded the al-Rashid Hotel in Baghdad, killing one U.S. Army officer and wounding 17 persons. The wounded included 4 U.S. military personnel and seven American civilians. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul D. Wolfowitz, who was staying at the hotel, was not injured. After visiting the wounded, he said, "They’re not going to scare us away; we’re not giving up on this job."

Assassination of a Deputy Mayor in Baghdad, October 26, 2003: Two gunmen believed to be Baath Party loyalists assassinated Faris Abdul Razaq al-Assam, one of three deputy mayors of Baghdad. U.S. officials did not announce al-Assam’s death until October 28.

Wave of Car Bombings in Baghdad, October 27, 2003: A series of suicide car bombings in Baghdad killed at least 35 persons and wounded at least 230. Four attacks were directed at Iraqi police stations, the fifth and most destructive was directed at the International Committee of the Red Cross headquarters, where at least 12 persons were killed. A sixth attack failed when a car bomb failed to explode and the bomber was wounded and captured by Iraqi police. U.S. and Iraqi officials suspected that foreign terrorists were involved; the unsuccessful bomber said he was a Syrian national and carried a Syrian passport. After a meeting with Administrator L. Paul Bremer, President Bush said, "The more successful we are on the ground, the more these killers will react."

Suicide Bombing in Riyadh, November 8, 2003: In Riyadh, a suicide car bombing took place in the Muhaya residential compound, which was occupied mainly by nationals of other Arab countries. Seventeen persons were killed and 122 were wounded. The latter included 4 Americans. The next day, Deputy Secretary of State Armitage said al-Qaeda was probably responsible.

Truck Bombing in Nasiriyah, November 12, 2003: A suicide truck bomb destroyed the headquarters of the Italian military police in Nasiriyah, Iraq, killing 18 Italians and 11 Iraqis and wounding at least 100 persons.

Synagogue Bombings in Istanbul, November 15, 2003: Two suicide truck bombs exploded outside the Neve Shalom and Beth Israel synagogues in Istanbul, killing 25 persons and wounding at least 300 more. The initial claim of responsibility came from a Turkish militant group, the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders’ Front, but Turkish authorities suspected an al-Qaeda connection. The next day, the London-based newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi received an e-mail in which an al-Qaeda branch called the Brigades of the Martyr Abu Hafz al-Masri claimed responsibility for the Istanbul synagogue bombings.

More Suicide Truck Bombings in Istanbul, November 20, 2003: Two more suicide truck bombings devastated the British HSBC Bank and the British Consulate General in Istanbul, killing 27 persons and wounding at least 450. The dead included Consul General Roger Short. U.S., British, and Turkish officials suspected that al-Qaeda had struck again. The U.S. Consulate in Istanbul was closed, and the Embassy in Ankara advised American citizens in Istanbul to stay home.

Car Bombing in Kirkuk, November 20, 2003: A suicide car bombing in Kirkuk killed 5 persons. The target appeared to be the headquarters of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. PUK officials suspected the Ansar al-Islam group, which was said to have sheltered fugitive Taliban and al-Qaeda members after the U.S. campaign in Afghanistan.

Attacks on Other Coalition Personnel in Iraq, November 29-30, 2003: Iraqi insurgents stepped up attacks on nationals of other members of the Coalition. On November 29, an ambush in Mahmudiyah killed 7 out of a party of 8 Spanish intelligence officers. Iraqi insurgents also killed two Japanese diplomats near Tikrit. On November 30, another ambush near Tikrit killed two South Korean electrical workers and wounded two more. A Colombian employee of Kellogg Brown & Root was killed and two were wounded in an ambush near Balad.

Train Bombing in Southern Russia, December 5, 2003: A suicide bomb attack killed 42 persons and wounded 150 aboard a Russian commuter train in the south Russian town of Yessentuki. Russian officials suspected Chechen rebels; President Putin said the attack was meant to disrupt legislative elections. Chechen rebel leader Aslan Maskhadov denied any involvement.

Suicide Car Bombings in Iraq, December 15, 2003: Two days after the capture of Saddam Hussein, there were two suicide car bomb attacks on Iraqi police stations. One at Husainiyah killed 8 persons and wounded 20. The other, at Ameriyah, wounded 7 Iraqi police. Guards repelled a second vehicle.

Office Bombing in Baghdad, December 19, 2003: A bomb destroyed the Baghdad office of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, killing a woman and wounding at least 7 other persons.

Suicide Car Bombing in Irbil, December 24, 2003: A suicide car bomb attack on the Kurdish Interior Ministry in Irbil, Iraq, killed 5 persons and wounded 101.

Attempted Assassination in Rawalpindi, December 25, 2003: Two suicide truck bombers killed 14 persons as President Musharraf’s motorcade passed through Rawalpindi, Pakistan. An earlier attempt on December 14 caused no casualties. Pakistani officials suspected Afghan and Kashmiri militants. On January 6, 2004, Pakistani authorities announced the arrest of 6 suspects who were said to be members of Jaish-e-Muhammad.

Suicide Bombing in Israel, December 25, 2003: A Palestinian suicide bomber killed 4 persons at a bus stop near Petah Tikva, Israel. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack in retaliation for Israeli military operations in Nablus that had begun two days earlier.

Restaurant Bombing in Baghdad, December 31, 2003: A car bomb explosion outside Baghdad’s Nabil Restaurant killed 8 persons and wounded 35. The wounded included 3 Los Angeles Times reporters and 3 local employees.

London: 7/7 attacks 50 dead, 700 injured

3 posted on 07/22/2005 9:44:40 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: smoothsailing

Would someone please send this article to ABC NBC CBS MSNBC & CNN?

4 posted on 07/22/2005 9:45:43 PM PDT by Just Lori (I'm too tired to play tag.)
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To: smoothsailing

This article makes too much sense for it to be in such a liberal paper.

5 posted on 07/22/2005 9:49:13 PM PDT by perfect stranger ("Hell Bent for Election" by Warburg)
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To: SteveMcKing

"I thought the soccer "hooligans" were going to take care of matters? "

Tell them that the muslims hate Manchester United, See em raid the mosques!!!!

6 posted on 07/22/2005 9:50:14 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: smoothsailing
Maybe, just maybe, Islam is not just another religion?

7 posted on 07/22/2005 9:51:07 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- ---)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Did I just read somewhere that Manchester United had been purchased by an American or was it another team?

8 posted on 07/22/2005 9:51:55 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: smoothsailing

If you can think honestly,come up with a good reason to be in the middle east. If the answer is oil, then how come we are not looking for alternative fuel at a fever pace? The answer lies in the empire. Just acknowledge it. say to yourself.... we are the biggest empire ever. until you get it. When you can understand that then we can talk. If you dont get reality then dont post. A liberal. Living in the borders of the Empire. Well off... for now.

9 posted on 07/22/2005 9:52:35 PM PDT by hank aaron
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To: smoothsailing
There is only one word to describe the police shooting in London this Friday.

10 posted on 07/22/2005 9:58:23 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: Travis McGee

"Maybe, just maybe, Islam is not just another religion?"

Of course it is. It's a religion of peace. Actually it is The Religion of Peace. And grass is blue, and water is dry.

11 posted on 07/22/2005 10:02:05 PM PDT by Bazooka (Just say what you think. They hate our guts anyway.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Thank you for what should be the deception destroyer.

How deceived the populations of our Nations are.

12 posted on 07/22/2005 10:02:55 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: smoothsailing
"Their jihad was ingrained long before Americans or British troops ever stepped foot in Iraq."

Excellent article!

13 posted on 07/22/2005 10:06:27 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
This is a wealth of information.I've bookmarked it so I can print it tomorrow if that's Ok.

Fine post,Thank You!

14 posted on 07/22/2005 10:08:48 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

When they talk about the koran is a constitution for humanity. That allah will ask how many infidels did you kill? When they speak of islamic rule of earth. Dreaming of an islamic flag flying over the UK.

Yeah, I can see why liberals would think its us huh?


They tell us constantly what they want and why they act and will continue to act on this mad zealotry.

The left is in total denile, choosing to place their own politics (pathological hatred of Bush, Bliar, anyone in support of doing what must be done) ahead of the needs of civililzation to defend itself against these barbarians. Its ancient. It pre-dates all of us. It worships death. They tell you so themselves.

So like a fool, I keep trying to explain this. Over and over. And sometimes I think I get through. Maybe just a little bit. They wont admit it. But just maybe. I have to try. I cant let what they say stand unchallenged. Its too easy to blow their arguements out of the water. That is usually when the personal attacks and name calling begin.
Add more facts. That is when the conspiricy theorys begin.

Its a pattern I have seen more then once.

15 posted on 07/22/2005 10:12:07 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: hank aaron

Well hank,you're in the wrong ballpark if you plan on hitting homeruns here.

16 posted on 07/22/2005 10:12:27 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: hank aaron

Strange enough, a country like Sudan has a fair bit of oil, too. In spite of the continuous butchering of unarmed citizens by the Janjaweed militias, no American presence there. Kosovo has no oil, so what are all those U.S. forces doing there? I'm not convinced that the production of oil warrants American military support.

Viable alternatives to fossil fuels, however, have already been developed. Although ready to be produced on a large scale, reducing our dependancy on oil from "less than democratic" countries, oil seems to be the only thing made available to us. Some experts say that oil is a pillar that supports the world economy, but that's a blatant lie: MOBILITY supports the world economy, and oil is, for the time being, a prerequisite. The technology is there: biodiesel, natural gas, thermal depolymerization, hybrid cars, ultra-efficient petrol engines, the lot. There is no reason why a normal car should need more that 3 litres of fuel for 100kms (you do the maths), but it's not easy to get the automotive industries, the governments and the oil companies to agree on the urgency of the matter.

17 posted on 07/22/2005 10:17:19 PM PDT by Bazooka (Just say what you think. They hate our guts anyway.)
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To: SteveMcKing
"I thought the soccer "hooligans" were going to take care of matters?"

They started to, until Tony Blair condemned them and promised to bring anyone to justice who acted with revenge against the Muslim community. Not that I have any sympathy for the "muslim community" who hate the very government that hosts them, but civilian reprisals aren't the way to go about solving the problem.

But I think the British police did a great job today in showing the muslim community what will happen to terrorists and those who support them, as they shot the scumbag terrorist dead where he lay on the floor of the train "petrified" (according to a witness) of the justice about to rain down on him).

18 posted on 07/22/2005 10:18:37 PM PDT by TheCrusader (The churches of God have been devastated by the frenzy of the Mohammedans". Pope Urban II c. 1090 ad)
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To: perfect stranger
LOL! You must be thinking of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is a solid conservative newspaper.It's the brainchild of Richard Mellon Schaif.

19 posted on 07/22/2005 10:18:45 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: M. Espinola
"They blow up so fast".

Now that's a toon!

20 posted on 07/22/2005 10:23:01 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: Bazooka; hank aaron
hank aaron just registered today and this was his first post.

Your reply to him was very informative while mine was a bit shall we say "cute".

I hope he learns from yours,I Know I did.

21 posted on 07/22/2005 10:34:41 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: TheCrusader

So Tony condemns citizens acting to protect themselves, but the mercenaries called "police" are heros. Why, because they work for Tony?

Government makes less sense to me everyday. It's just a big cult of people flattering themselves to the point they feel right stealing 35% of your income.

Man, I need some sleep!

22 posted on 07/22/2005 10:37:22 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: hank aaron
When you can understand that then we can talk

Looks like there won't be much talk. Probably a few coarse suggestions.

23 posted on 07/22/2005 10:40:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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To: SteveMcKing
"So Tony condemns citizens acting to protect themselves, but the mercenaries called "police" are heros."

I'm not in total disagreement with you, but the British police are doing a fine job of it so far.

They know who the terrorists are/were, they're arresting linked terrorists in Britain and Pakistan, they're locating bomb making material, they're breaking up cells, and they've even killed one of the cowardly s.o.b.s and sent him to his virgin goats.

Though in all honesty, I think Britain has one huge problem on their hands with millions of potential terrorists/rioters/subversives living amongst them in their many muslim communities. While there's no easy answer right now, if things continue to get worse and more Brits get killed by these Muslim terrorists, you just might see their muslim community getting terrorized in return by Brit civilians.

Personally, I'd rather see the Muslims police their own communities and rat out the terrorists among them, but apparently this isn't going to happen any time soon. Right now all they're doing is complaining about the UK's and America's foreign policy and blaming us for the terrorism.

25 posted on 07/22/2005 11:27:37 PM PDT by TheCrusader (The churches of God have been devastated by the frenzy of the Mohammedans". Pope Urban II c. 1090 ad)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
(Eurotwit is developing a list of Jihadist rapes of Euro women and other attacks on women by the Jihadists. That will be out soon.)

When that list is compiled I would appreciate it if you would ping me. I know there's been several in Australia that I've heard about. I'm hearing more and more on it, in different countries.

26 posted on 07/22/2005 11:28:37 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
You can't reason with the left . You know that. They still think you can ''bring the terrorists to the table ''and negotiate with them. They're so sad and pathetic. The weird thing I've noticed lately is the striking similarities of the left and the terrorists. The DemocRATS used to be in power they had everything at one time. Now they've lost it and what do they do? Accuse, attack . smear , make up scandals, etc........ The Arab Muslims used to have power a long ago. Now they have fallen way behind the civilized world in every conceivable way. The Imam's preach their hatred and point fingers,claiming its the West, its Imperialism,its the Brits, its the modern culture, its not our fault.Don't blame us. ITS THEIRS!!! What else are they going to say? When I was a kid and flunked a test, I tried to blame my teacher, then my classmate who sat next to me, then my sister! My mom would have none of it and made me stay home for the whole weekend and study. I ended up getting an A. Its hard to look in the mirror but if the Democrats don't start coming up with some new ideas, or rethinking their party's values, they will continue to lose elections and just keep pointing fingers and attacking us. and lose. If the Arab leaders in the mosks don't stop preaching their hate speeches of excuses they will continue to breed these monsters and they will reap what they have sowed.Anyway I really enjoyed reading your post!
27 posted on 07/23/2005 12:54:04 AM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: smoothsailing
July 23, 2005
Poisonous Misinterpretations
by Scott Horton

"This is not an isolated criminal act we are dealing with, it is an extreme and evil ideology whose roots lie in a perverted and poisonous misinterpretation of the religion of Islam."
Tony Blair

Listen to Scott's interview with Robert Pape


download mp3


Why do they hate us? Does Islam, or a "poisonous misinterpretation" of it, create terrorism? Often we're told by politicians that a corrupt version of Islam is the cause of the al-Qaeda movement and its most deadly tactic, suicide terrorism. In his book, Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism, University of Chicago associate professor of political science Robert A. Pape wrestles with these questions and more. His conclusions surprised even him. On my July 16 radio show [stream] [download mp3], he said that after 9/11 he assumed the Koran might contain clues toward understanding what motivates a person to commit a suicide bombing. For his book, however, Pape started with the bombings themselves – every documented case between 1980 and 2004 – and noticed some suggestive common threads. Foreign occupation, it seems – not religion – is the core motivating factor behind suicide terrorism. From Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank to Sikhs in India, from the jihadists of 9/11 to the secular Marxist Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka – for all of these, it is "a nationalistic response."

Professor Pape says that while al-Qaeda terrorists are twice as likely to be from a country where radical Salafist/Wahhabist Islam is widely practiced, they are 10 times more likely to have come from a country that has U.S. troops stationed in it. In most cases, this foreign military presence is not hostile in a traditional sense, since the local governments have agreed to their stay. But according to a Saudi poll after 9/11, 95 percent of educated Saudi males between the ages of 25 and 41 agreed with bin Laden's goal of driving Americans off their holy land.

No suicide bombers have ever come from Iran, where there are no foreign troops. Iraq had never seen a suicide bombing on its soil before U.S. troops arrived in 2003. While Ayatollah Khomeini spent the 1980s criticizing American culture, many people agreed, but none resorted to suicide bombing. When bin Laden cited U.S. forces in the land of Mecca and Medina, men hopped on planes with knives.

The root cause of suicide terrorism is occupation, not Islam, and not the other way around, as the War Party and its ill-informed adherents so righteously claim.

"Don't you remember Sept. 11? We were attacked!"

As Harry Browne has pointed out, history does not begin on 9/11. In fact, American intervention in the Middle East dates back to 1919, when U.S. participation in World War I helped turn the entire region over to the British and the French, who then drew borders to their own liking for the states of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, what was Palestine, etc.

Since the Second World War, the U.S. government has dominated each of the Middle Eastern states at one time or another, and consistently a majority of them. It has supported bloody coups; backed fascist monsters like Shah Reza Pahlavi, Saddam Hussein, and Hosni Mubarak; armed and financed both sides of wars; propped up puppet kings, sultans, and emirs; and helped the Israeli government kill, steal, and destroy with our money. To top it off, it has now waged a bloody war and a terrible blockade of Iraq – all from bases in the "land of two Holy Places," the Arabian Peninsula.

Surprised that revenge was taken? We're lucky it took so long.

Michael Scheuer, the formerly anonymous author of Imperial Hubris: Why the West Is Losing the War on Terror and ex-head analyst at the CIA's bin Laden unit, Alec Station, seems to concur. In his book, he lists six policies that have fueled al-Qaeda's fire:

  • First and foremost are the U.S. forces that spent 13 years in Saudi Arabia and have now been moved to other bases on the Arabian Peninsula. This is a distinction, Pape says, without a difference to bin Laden or his followers, for whom the entire Peninsula is Holy Land. Think of it as a Middle Eastern Monroe Doctrine. It was not American tourists and businessmen that pissed him off either. It was the soldiers.

  • Second is America's unconditional support for Israel, which occupies Jerusalem.

  • Third are the long-term blockade of Iraq and the bombing of the "no-fly" zone, which, on average, happened once every three days for over a decade. These have now been replaced by the wars against, and ongoing occupations of, Afghanistan and Iraq – even more valuable recruiting tools.

  • Fourth on Scheuer's list of bin Laden's motivations is American support for Russia, China, and India in their suppression of Muslims. Seems he spoke too soon on Russia, as the American neoconservatives curiously favor the Chechens in that fight, despite the U.S. government's rhetorical and financial support of "the fight against Islamist extremism everywhere."

  • Fifth and sixth are U.S. government support for corrupt governments in the Middle East, none of which are democratic (among these are Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Oman, Qatar, Egypt, and now Iraq), and pressure (that is, threats of violence) to keep oil prices set where American mercantilists want them. Is it a surprise that all of the 9/11 hijackers – at least the one's whose identities aren't in dispute – were from countries (Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates) with governments friendly to our own, and that none of them were from Iran, Iraq, or Syria?

Pape has researched the strategic, social, and individual logic of suicide terrorism. He explains that when occupying forces are culturally and/or religiously alien, they are more vulnerable to demonization. It's the same with the American soldier who wrote to tell me that Iraqis are "animals" who "all look alike" and are all "guilty of something" as his excuse for taking life.

A major problem with the "fringe religion" theory is that it ignores the fact that supermajorities in Islamic nations agree with bin Laden's view of American foreign policy, though not necessarily with his tactics. It denies the slightest possibility of a single legitimate grievance that might deserve to be addressed. It also enables our government to maintain its state of war indefinitely.

The profile of the individual suicide bomber is going to need some major revision as well. Pape explains the difference between egoistic and altruistic suicide – the former being the desperate killing of oneself during a period of hopelessness for their own situation, the latter a selfless and noble sacrifice for others, like a soldier jumping on a grenade for his buddies, or a Kamikaze Pilot trying to delay a land invasion of his country. Egoistic suicide has been the model used by westerners to explain suicide bombings. The bombers are losers, they say; young, poor, uneducated, hopeless and full of rage. Having nothing to live for, they murder innocent people because evil Wahhabists brainwash them and promise them virgins in heaven.

According to Pape, this model must be scrapped. Suicide bombers are typically upper-middle class, well-educated, successful, socially connected people who know exactly what they are doing. For their perception of a greater good, they give their lives to kill people as part of a strategic campaign aimed at the people of the West, to turn us against our governments, and to force them to end the occupations and protections.

The action is in the reaction. As we saw in the recent London attacks, suicide terrorism works, particularly against democracies. It is dependent on the ability of the targeted civilians to pressure their governments to end the occupations.

The Royal Institute for International Affairs, the center of the British foreign policy establishment, has concluded [.pdf]:

"There is no doubt that the situation over Iraq has imposed particular difficulties for the UK, and for the wider coalition against terrorism. It gave a boost to the al-Qaeda network's propaganda, recruitment and fundraising, caused a major split in the coalition, provided an ideal targeting and training area for al-Qaeda-linked terrorists. … Riding pillion with a powerful ally has proved costly in terms of British and U.S. military lives, Iraqi lives, military expenditure, and the damage caused to the counter-terrorism campaign."

But Jack Straw remains as stubborn as… well, as a Stalinist. According to DeHavilland:

"[F]oreign secretary Jack Straw said he was 'astonished' by the report.

"Mr. Straw said the war on terror had been sparked by September 11th, the 'premeditated unprovoked attack' on New York and Washington, and not vice versa.

"'The time for excuses for terrorism is over. The terrorists have struck across the world, in countries allied with the U.S., backing the war in Iraq and in countries which had nothing whatever to do with the war in Iraq,' he said.

"'They struck in Kenya, in Tanzania, in Indonesia, in the Yemen. They struck this weekend in Turkey, which was not supporting our action in Iraq. It is the terrorists who will seek any excuse whatsoever for their action.'

"John Reid, defense secretary, dismissed the report, saying it had failed to proffer any alternatives.

"'The terrorists want to kill anyone who stands in the way of their perverse ideology,' Mr. Reid said."

The terrorists struck Americans in Kenya, Tanzania, Indonesia, and Yemen. Locals who were also killed were collateral damage, so to speak. As for the attack in Turkey, it was committed by our allies the Kurds. Why didn't Straw go ahead and mention the Mujahedin e-Khalq terrorist cult of Islamo-Marxists that the coalition of the willing sent into Iran to bomb civilians only a few weeks back?

As for 9/11 being unprovoked, I will again quote James Bamford's description of bin Laden and Zawahiri's plan to provoke the U.S. into invading the greater Middle East:

"Ayman al-Zawahiri argued that al-Qaeda should bring the war to 'the distant enemy' in order to provoke the Americans to strike back and 'personally wage the battle against Muslims.' It was that battle that bin Laden and Zawahiri wanted to spark [with the 9/11 attacks]. As they made clear in their declaration of war 'against Jews and Crusaders.' They believed that the United States and Israel had been waging war against Muslims for decades. Now their hope was to draw Americans into a desert Vietnam, with bin Laden in the role of North Vietnamese president Ho Chi Minh."

The leaders of al-Qaeda believed that the U.S. was already at war against them through our proxies, so they decided to lure us into their desert swamp to "bleed us dry" economically, and to eventually force us out altogether, all the while expanding their own constituency on our dime. It's working.

The people of England disagree with Jack Straw. Check out this article in the Guardian:

"Two-thirds of Britons believe there is a link between Tony Blair's decision to invade Iraq and the London bombings despite government claims to the contrary, according to a Guardian/ICM poll published today. The poll makes it clear that voters believe further attacks in Britain by suicide bombers are also inevitable, with 75% of those responding saying there will be more attacks. The research suggests the government is losing the battle to persuade people that terrorist attacks on the UK have not been made more likely by the invasion of Iraq. According to the poll, 33% of Britons think the prime minister bears 'a lot' of responsibility for the London bombings and a further 31% 'a little.' Only 28% of voters agree with the government that Iraq and the London bombings are not connected."

America's policy is self-destructive. A "global democratic revolution" – in other words, the maintenance of Western-friendly governments in countries all over the world – can only make matters worse. The war in Iraq sure has.

According to the Boston Globe,

"New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an Israeli think tank – both of which painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United States – have found that the vast majority of these foreign fighters are not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war itself."

One could do worse than to read Pape's book, or for that matter, to simply Google "Osama bin Laden" for a few hours. All of bin Laden's threats are predicated on removing American troops from his backyard. He may want to rule all the world, but all available historical evidence shows that occupation is what galvanizes his followers. They'll keep signing up until our governments bring the soldiers home from the Middle East and South Asia.

Defeat, in this case, means ending the empire. What right do we have to win?

28 posted on 07/23/2005 1:15:38 AM PDT by Woliff
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29 posted on 07/23/2005 1:18:36 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Names Ash Housewares

A small after thought. When arguing with the left ,I have been called a Nazi, spat at, and also been exposed to their wonderfully imaginative'' conspiracy theories'' also! This usually set in when they realize they are losing the argument' It's a pathetic attempt to change the subject. The same exact tactic my 5 year old niece uses when throwing a tantrum and its played out, and she realizes she's not going to get her way.

30 posted on 07/23/2005 1:22:11 AM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Bush gal in LA

Bush gal, just ask the left for their solutions. After they say, get rid of Bush, ask them again. They have no solutions.

31 posted on 07/23/2005 1:36:03 AM PDT by AGreatPer
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Your post is being deleted because it contains a complete article from Material from needs to be excerpted and linked. Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints
32 posted on 07/23/2005 1:40:15 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: smoothsailing
This is the
"The Great Satan made me do it."
33 posted on 07/23/2005 1:42:08 AM PDT by syriacus (Muslims who really want peace should unite behind a non-violent leader like Gandhi, King, or Walesa.)
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To: smoothsailing
By taking up arms with the United States, the logic goes, Britain has brought the bombings on itself.

So, what did the Egyptians do to bring about the terrorist attacks there?

34 posted on 07/23/2005 1:44:06 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Woliff
Professor Pape says that ... al-Qaeda terrorists ... are 10 times more likely to have come from a country that has U.S. troops stationed in it.

Presence of US troops is no justification for killing innocent people.

Haven't those unhappy Muslims ever heard King, Walesa, or Gandhi?

35 posted on 07/23/2005 1:47:06 AM PDT by syriacus (Muslims who really want peace should unite behind a non-violent leader like Gandhi, King, or Walesa.)
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To: AGreatPer

LOL! Your so right! You must know these fools that I deal with every day out here!.........I actually tried asking them that once. I saId what would Kerry have done to solve the problem of terrorism or even their idol Howard Dean if he had been elected?........After a second they get a glazed look in their eyes and start screaming ''Bush lied people died'' or ''Selected not elected''!They kind of reminD me of robots or ''stepford DemocRATS''. Its like they're all programmed with the same lame responses! SCARY!

36 posted on 07/23/2005 1:51:23 AM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: Woliff
"and helped the Israeli government kill, steal, and destroy..."

This line suggests that you (or Scott?) find Israel to be the guilty party in the history of Middle East conflict? A poisonous misinterpretation, IMO.

It does seem clear, though, that our presence there is, if not the cause of terrorism against us, a necessary ingredient for its existence. Our friendship with Israel is closer to being the actual cause, IMO, considering the hatred among Muslims for that nation.

My conclusion has been that, for the safety of Western Civilization in the age of WMD's, Islamic terror needs to be eradicated...hard to do that without a presence in the Middle East. OTOH, dependence on Middle Eastern oil and the wealth it brings to the rulers in the region, is what allows the existence of Middle Eastern terror. Seems clear enough that the alternative to eradicating Al Qaeda is finding another energy source that would end the necessity of our involvement in that part of the world. And leave the eradication of terror to Israel. One wonders if Israel would not have already accomplished that if not for having been restrained by the West in its thirst for oil.

37 posted on 07/23/2005 1:56:55 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: AGreatPer
"After they say, get rid of Bush, ask them again. They have no solutions"

Good point. I have often heard them say that there are no solutions, that terror is just something we have to live with.

38 posted on 07/23/2005 1:59:33 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: smoothsailing

BLAME BUSH! for all islamic attacks will last awhile. If anything happens it's BLAME BUSH.

9/11.. BLAME BUSH.. all attacks prior, BLAME BUSH.

Amazingly, this will get the islamics off the charge for many years.

39 posted on 07/23/2005 2:02:03 AM PDT by LAURENTIJ
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To: Bush gal in LA
Yea, we see them all the time in DC when I join the DC chapter.

They have no answers. What gets me is that they are so mean. I mean, downright disgusting. You certainly would fit in with us perfectly.

Just a month ago in front of the White House, I stopped arguing with them. They are such idiots and not even worth me wasting a breath of air on them.

I asked Sheila Jackson Lee why she is bitching about Gitmo and she had never been there to check it out. She had no answer. Later I found out she went to Gitmo one week later. Guess, what? There has been no report from her. Hmmmmmmm, what she found out must have not been acceptable to her way of thunking.

Please keep up the good work in Cali. Wowers, that is a tought area.

Hope to see you at a Freep sometime Bush gal. Your a trooper.

Bill in Hershey, PA

40 posted on 07/23/2005 2:06:33 AM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Woliff
"The leaders of al-Qaeda believed that the U.S. was already at war against them through our proxies, so they decided to lure us into their desert swamp to "bleed us dry" economically, and to eventually force us out altogether, all the while expanding their own constituency on our dime. It's working."

Regardless of whether or not this is correct, and it hasn't been demonstrated to my satisfaction, or whether the result is what Scott and Al Qaeda foresee, a non response to 9/11 was not in any way a possibility.

41 posted on 07/23/2005 2:08:54 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: smoothsailing
They just bombed Sharm al Sheik in Egypt.

Egypt should get out of Iraq.
Egyptians should withdraw from Arab lands.
They brought this on themselves for what they've done to Muslims...
42 posted on 07/23/2005 2:19:42 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: smoothsailing
43 posted on 07/23/2005 2:24:47 AM PDT by Brit_Guy
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Thanks for posting the list.

Here are two more attacks/incidents to be added:

Oct 1977 lufthansa/mogadishu

and......Mar 9, 1977 About a dozen armed Hanafi Muslims invaded three buildings in Washington DC, killing one person and taking more than 130 hostages. The siege ended two days later.

44 posted on 07/23/2005 5:30:43 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Sam Cree

Also, I note that Islamic suicide bombers in Europe are not from either Afghanistan or Iraq, the 2 countries over there that come closest to being able to be labeled as "occupied." Maybe because the inhabitants are actually grateful.

45 posted on 07/23/2005 6:10:43 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: hank aaron
Aw Jeez not this "The USA is the biggest empire that ever was & therefore is evil "shit again!!! Typical leftist claptrap !!! If we (the U.S.)were as evil as you sincerely believe there would be guillotines set up through out the various arab capitals by the U.S. military & they would be running around the clock.
46 posted on 07/23/2005 7:22:19 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: hank aaron

Sorry, there is nothing to understand simply because your premise is FALSE.
Alternative fuels will never come about because LIBERAL environmentalists will insist on blocking them.
THAT is what the blockage is on those.
Until YOU understand the truth, you will always be a delusional troll.

47 posted on 07/23/2005 8:38:52 AM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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To: Darksheare
Me thinks hank aaron has been ejected.Too liberal with the pine tar on his bat,no doubt. hehe!
48 posted on 07/23/2005 9:13:46 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: smoothsailing

It appears that Hank Aaaron has indeed been launched into orbit.

49 posted on 07/23/2005 9:21:31 AM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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"Your post is being deleted because it contains a complete article from Material from needs to be excerpted and linked."

oops, my sincere apologies to FR.

50 posted on 07/23/2005 9:26:55 AM PDT by TheCrusader (The churches of God have been devastated by the frenzy of the Mohammedans". Pope Urban II c. 1090 ad)
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