CIA Leak Investigation Turns to Possible Perjury, Obstruction (DNC talking points alert)

L.A. Times ^ | July 23, 2005 | Douglas Frantz, Sonni Efron and Richard B. Schmitt, Times Staff Writers

[AliVeritas]

Here we go...I see the L.A. Times got the DNC talking points too.

[bill1952]

According to lawyers familiar with the case, investigators are comparing statements by two top White House aides, Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, with testimony from reporters who have acknowledged talking to the officials.

Has to be something more than contradictory statements by a witness for perjury charges.

[Puppage]

CIA Leak Investigation Turns to Possible Perjury, Obstruction

I AM A CONVICTED LIAR

[fml]

according to one lawyer familiar with events who spoke on condition that he not be identified

I always know to trust these kinds of sources

[elli1]

...according to one lawyer familiar with events who spoke on condition that he not be identified.

What was that about the LA Times supposedly forbidding the use of anonymous sources?

[G.Mason]

Post #40 by ravingnutter is a good read to help understand this a bit more.

[Sooth2222]

Translation:

1. "There will be NO indictments under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982." and

2. "There must be SOME reason that the New York Times' Judith Miller is still in the hoosegow."

Question (still unanswered): did Wilson appear before the Grand Jury or talk to investigators?

'cause Wilson is so incredible that if it was high noon on a sunny day and told me the sun was in the sky, I'd have to look for myself.

[sirchtruth]

Does anybody know ONE reason why we should believe this article...This paper does not deserve to be believed after all the defamation and sladerous crap they have printed.

It should be label for what it is.....B.S.

[Alia]

Has to be something more than contradictory statements by a witness for perjury charges

I agree. There's some word "jazz" goin on..

[Alia]

Seymour Hersh dropped a major bombshell that went virtually unnoticed, 54 paragraphs deep into an October 27, 2003 story for the New Yorker titled “The Stovepipe.”

“Who produced the fake Niger papers? There is nothing approaching a consensus on this question within the intelligence community. There has been published speculation about the intelligence services of several different countries. One theory, favored by some journalists in Rome, is that [the Italian intelligence service] Sismi produced the false documents and passed them to Panorama for publication.

“Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, 'Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.'

He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.”

Whoa.

[elli1]

Thanks for the link. Excellent.

[G.Mason]

Whoa is right!

[G.Mason]

Thanks, but the thanks goes to ravingnutter.

[elli1]

There must be SOME reason that the New York Times' Judith Miller is still in the hoosegow.

The cincher for me is that I don't believe for one minute that any of the so-called 'journalists' were going to the wire for a source inside the administration.

[Sacajaweau]

Cooper/Russert Interview. Cooper said he FIRST got the tip on Valerie from Rove. However, that's not how I read Cooper's memo. It says Cooper called Rove...and asked Rove about Valerie being CIA. Rove said "I heard that, too."

How did Cooper know enough to even ask the question?.

[TUX]

./...group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators ...
The reason Miller is sitting in a cell? Full disclosure of source's would trail back to this group and Coopers wife, Hilly's operative.

[mewzilla]

And if I recollect properly, Cooper wasn't the only presstitute calling Rove on other matters only to bring up the subject of Wilson's wifey. Sounds like there was some co-ordination involved.

[Sacajaweau]

I believe he did the same thing with Libby. THEREFORE, for Dem purposes, Rove and Libby are involved. But that's not really true.

It's kinda like watching a street fight. If you are present, you are "involved" even though you were in no way engaged in the fight.

[M. Dodge Thomas]

The cincher for me is that I don't believe for one minute that any of the so-called 'journalists' were going to the wire for a source inside the administration.

I would not take that as a given – Judith Miller will be working as a reporter long after this President has left office, and without the ability to quote "anonymous" sources” within administrations both Republican and Democratic it would be almost impossible for anyone within government to provide anything other than "the party line", and thus almost impossible possible for reporter to write knowledgably about politics and foreign affairs

This is well understood on both sides of the microphones - it’s why we have limited “immunity” for reporters in the US, and don’t have something the UK’s “Official Secrets Act.