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(CA) Assembly Bill 352 : Fingerprinting for Handguns
Canyon News ^ | Jul 24, 2005 | Michelle Lanz

Posted on 07/24/2005 5:22:23 AM PDT by holymoly

The anonymity of ammunition is being fought with the proposal of Assembly Bill 352, which, if passed, would require that every semiautomatic handgun sold after January 2009 be equipped with a new microstamping technology that would allow law enforcement officials to link the used bullet cases to the handguns from which they were fired.

This new technology would stamp a serial number on to every bullet fired from a particular gun. That number would be linked to the owner of the gun in already existing database of gun owners.

In a recent press release introducing the legislation, Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) stated, “I believe that microstamping will put California in the forefront in crime solving technology. I can not imagine anyone who could be opposed to this cutting edge technology.”

However, there are those who do oppose the bill, including ammunition manufacturers who say outfitting their factories with coding equipment to mark each of the 8 billion rounds produced a year would drive up cost and force them out of business. Also, some argue that the new codes will do more harm than good if the ammunition and handguns are stolen.

“What will happen is a crime will be committed with a stolen gun and bullets and the police will trace it to an innocent person,” says handgun enthusiast and NRA member Pete Fosworth, “And what about all the guns already on the streets? I just don’t see how it would work.”

In general law enforcement officials support this measure, saying that the tiny etched numbers would help them track down criminals much more efficiently than in previous years.

“This new bill would not only allow police to find out who bought the bullets, but also which gun they were fired from,” says retired LAPD police officer Larry Calhoun, “It would narrow down suspects and help prevent police from blaming the wrong person. Overall it is a good idea.”

The bill, sponsored by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, has already passed the Assembly and one Senate panel and is up for further review in August.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 352; ab352; ammunition; banglist; blackmarket; bulletblackmarket; ca; california; fanatasy; fantasies; handgun; microstamp; serial; stamp
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In a recent press release introducing the legislation, Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood) stated, “I believe that microstamping will put California in the forefront in crime solving technology. I can not imagine anyone who could be opposed to this cutting edge technology.”

That's because you're a slack-jawed, mouth-breathing idiot, who knows absolutely nothing about firearms (except for what you've been spoon-fed by the Brady Campaign).

1 posted on 07/24/2005 5:22:23 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: holymoly

yeah this would last about as long as it would take to get a file and ruin the name on the weapon.

It would be the first thing I would do if I had to buy a weapon in Cali....


2 posted on 07/24/2005 5:24:10 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud member of Planet ManRam)
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To: holymoly

“What will happen is a crime will be committed with a stolen gun and bullets and the police will trace it to an innocent person,” says handgun enthusiast and NRA member Pete Fosworth, “And what about all the guns already on the streets? I just don’t see how it would work.”


The lone voice of reason. God help us.


3 posted on 07/24/2005 5:25:01 AM PDT by poobear (Imagine a world of liberal silence.)
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To: MikeinIraq
yeah this would last about as long as it would take to get a file and ruin the name on the weapon.

If starts to look like it'll pass, I may buy some stock in Dremel.

4 posted on 07/24/2005 5:30:06 AM PDT by holymoly (Yea, whatever.)
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To: holymoly

I'll feel so safe when Congress passes laws against bombing people. /sarcasm


5 posted on 07/24/2005 5:32:32 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: holymoly
****Bill 352, which, if passed, would require that every semiautomatic handgun sold after January 2009 be equipped with a new microstamping technology that would allow law enforcement officials to link the used bullet cases****

I guess revolvers will be making a BIG comeback in Ca.

(stoo-pid politician)

7 posted on 07/24/2005 5:40:58 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: MikeinIraq

Ruin the name on the weapon? What are you talking about?


8 posted on 07/24/2005 5:42:43 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Jerry K.

The idea is to NOT get caught :)

Besides you can't tell me that about a week after this bill passes that someone won't come up with a way to make it so that the weapon would appear to have NOT been bought in California....


9 posted on 07/24/2005 5:43:57 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud member of Planet ManRam)
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To: Misterioso

sorry I probably meant to say serial number, but I put name for some unknown reason....

I need to slow down a bit :)


10 posted on 07/24/2005 5:45:08 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Proud member of Planet ManRam)
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To: holymoly
That number would be linked to the owner of the gun in already existing database of gun owners.

I wasn't aware that guns were registered in CA. That's too bad.

It must be getting closer to that time when we finally say, "No More, No More"

11 posted on 07/24/2005 5:51:33 AM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: holymoly

What needs to be done is for all weapons and ammunition manufacturers to boycott sales in the state of California.

I heartily applaud Ronnie Barrett for his decision to refuse to sell his firearms in, or service those owned by, any law enforcement agency in CA, given the recent legislation there.

Mark


12 posted on 07/24/2005 5:54:47 AM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: holymoly

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed. No fringes on the fabric. No tears. Not a single strand misplaced. Period.


13 posted on 07/24/2005 5:55:42 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The High Priest of Baby Killers. People don't call Schumer 'Upchuck' for nothing.)
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To: poobear
Maryland tried something along similar lines over the past couple of years with its ballistic fingerprinting law, but it proved to be an expensive failure, so much so that the Maryland State Police actually urged lawmakers to repeal it. A bill to do just this was put into the pipeline, but I'm not sure if it ultimately went anywhere. See here for the story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27873-2005Jan21.html
14 posted on 07/24/2005 5:55:50 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
"The state police have indicated it's not working," said Smigiel, who filed a similar bill last year that died in committee. "We're wasting a couple million dollars which we could be putting to better use."

It doesn't work and it costs millions. Sounds like another great program for Cali to adopt. (sarc)
15 posted on 07/24/2005 6:02:50 AM PDT by poobear (Imagine a world of liberal silence.)
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To: holymoly; All

Couldn't CA residents make purchases of ammo while "vacationing" in adjacent states ?.....or would that be a "no-no"?

...(just wondering)...


16 posted on 07/24/2005 6:15:42 AM PDT by musicman
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To: holymoly
This new bill would not only allow police to find out who bought the bullets, but also which gun they were fired from,” says retired LAPD police officer Larry Calhoun, “It would narrow down suspects and help prevent police from blaming the wrong person. Overall it is a good idea.

They can't or won't stop millions of aliens illegally coming across the border. How will they stop millions of guns from coming over the border? Do these idiots think that criminals are going to get gun permits, buy legal weapons, give their addresses, and then use these guns to commit crimes?

This is an effort to make the cost of gun ownership high, a tax to discourage gun ownership. It also is an effort of the state to apply more control over people. It's the commies against the individuals.

17 posted on 07/24/2005 6:16:14 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: musicman
Couldn't CA residents make purchases of ammo while "vacationing" in adjacent states ?.....or would that be a "no-no"?

That would become a felony under the provisions of the bill.

18 posted on 07/24/2005 6:20:28 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess.)
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To: holymoly

Just another attempt to make firearms and ammo too expensive for the common man. This does nothing to reduce crime or solve crimes. After it is in effect, only an idiot would be caught by this and they wouldn't need bullets or casings with numbers on them to catch someone that stupid.

This is like Canada's registration; it will cost 100 times what they think and will solve zero crimes...


19 posted on 07/24/2005 6:22:04 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: holymoly

Whoa whoa whoa,,

This article went from talking about a technology that would serialize every case fired from any particularr semi-automatic pistol to argueing serializing bullets and cases.

Two completely different subjects.

The technology for the former already exists and `is in widespread use. It's commonly refferred to as "ballistics".

The really disturbing aspect of the article is the registration angle


20 posted on 07/24/2005 6:22:34 AM PDT by misanthrope (There's only one way Islam will ever become "The Religion of peace", it's up to us to help them out.)
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To: holymoly

Second Amendment? What Second Amendment? Don't need no stinkin' Second Amendment.

Yikes! Be afraid, be very afraid. Remember as goes Kalifornia, so goes Amerika later.

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another..."

Tick, tick, tick...


21 posted on 07/24/2005 6:24:23 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: MikeinIraq
"It would be the first thing I would do if I had to buy a weapon in Cali...."

Those folks willing to commit a felony must also be willing to pay the consequences for their actions. Best to derail this attack on our freedoms rather than break the law later.

22 posted on 07/24/2005 6:24:38 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: holymoly
The anonymity of ammunition is being fought with the proposal of Assembly Bill 352, which, if passed, would require that every semiautomatic handgun sold after January 2009 be equipped with a new microstamping technology that would allow law enforcement officials to link the used bullet cases to the handguns from which they were fired. This new technology would stamp a serial number on to every bullet fired from a particular gun. That number would be linked to the owner of the gun in already existing database of gun owners.

My beeber is stuned again. Twice in one morning. Seriesly!

How in the Hell does the gun stamp the projectile and the cartridge case with a number? "Enquiring minds" want to know! I can envision a way to stamp the case, but that is a simple fix (brass catcher, or a revolver), but the bullet?

Or is this a typical antigun nitwit who does not know a cartridge case from a bullet?

23 posted on 07/24/2005 6:25:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: holymoly; All

Better keep tight control of your spent brass. What about reloading? Interesting stuff.


24 posted on 07/24/2005 6:26:37 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways)
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To: Condor51

When the price of legal guns skyrocket, you give incentive for smugglers to bring in lower cost, untraceable pistols for the criminal world. It is not hard to backward engineer a semi auto pistol in the Third World.


25 posted on 07/24/2005 6:27:18 AM PDT by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: holymoly
"If starts to look like it'll pass, I may buy some stock in Dremel."

Buying stock is one thing; advocating law breaking is another. Your post could just as easily depicted a hacksaw for shortening shotgun barrels. Same jail time for either either federal offense.

26 posted on 07/24/2005 6:28:40 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: holymoly
Any fair machinist good fashion forged cases.

And there is always shell catchers.

Catch your own shells - drop the forged. A perfect crime. This law is stupid and solves nothing.

27 posted on 07/24/2005 6:29:03 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81mm Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: Jerry K.
YOU then become a law breaker

Exactly - the cost of gun ownership for most people becomes too high.

"I don't hunt much anymore and I'm not a gun collector. I live in good neighborhood. I really don't need a gun, so this law doesn't effect me."

The 2A exists in theory, but not in practice. The gun-grabbers win.

28 posted on 07/24/2005 6:32:24 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81mm Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: musicman
"...or would that be a "no-no"?"

Yes, yes. Same with "assault" weapons, etc.

29 posted on 07/24/2005 6:32:33 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: MarkL

If the tobacco industry had boycott selling cigarettes in states participating in lawsuits, the sales tax revenue from cigarettes would drop to zero. The first state suing, their politicians would face the problem of how to balance their revenue shortfall. The other states would not want to suffer from the same fate would not have join in the lawsuits. Instead tobacco industry relied on their lawyers and the tobacco companies did not have a united front. Consequence, the first state wins in court, the rest of the states piled on. The gun industry must not make the same mistake. All should boycott the selling of guns and ammo to state government agencies (including local) and deprive them the means to maintain order. When police budgets soar, and gun/ammo shortages hit them, the state can not force the gun manufacturers to sell guns to them. However, the question is can foreign manufacturers step in? It would be ironic the states that ban guns would have a police force equipped with AK-47's and Chicom pistols.


30 posted on 07/24/2005 6:37:17 AM PDT by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: Fee
***It is not hard to backward engineer a semi auto pistol in the Third World.***

Actually some "3rd World" countries already makes some fine firearms, there's no need to backward engineer. Some like Argentine bought manufacturing rights from Colt long ago for the 1911. Taurus pistols are made in Brazil and Arcus (fairly new on the scene) is made in Bulgaria. And Albania of all places makes a better than average AK.

The bottom line is that this Bill is just stealth gun control.

31 posted on 07/24/2005 6:58:05 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Fee

I read that Barrett was considering just that.


32 posted on 07/24/2005 6:58:20 AM PDT by misanthrope (There's only one way Islam will ever become "The Religion of peace", it's up to us to help them out.)
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To: Buffalo Head
Who enforces the laws when the law enforcers begin to break them? It becomes incumbent on all true patriots to defend the Second Amendment.

Tolerating the intolerable is the job of slaves not free people.
33 posted on 07/24/2005 6:59:21 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: Fee

I actually sent a letter to RJR-Nabisco about the time that the law suits were taking off.

I suggested that what they should do is issue a statement saying, "You know, you're right. Cigarettes are bad, so we're going to stop selling them in the US, we're going to stop making them here, and we're going to stop buying US grown tobacco. We'll be moving off-shore to countries who actually want us there."

I would give almost anything to see what the state and federal governments would have done given that ultimatum...

My guess is that they would have "nationalized" the tobacco industry, where the government siezed the assets of the companies, ostensibly to ensure that the "damages" would be paid. But they would have killed the golden goose.

Mark


34 posted on 07/24/2005 7:06:21 AM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: Condor51

When this stupidity ends up in MA and it will if Kalifornia passes it. I'll just have to crank up the press and reload a bit more. Right now I just keep stocking up for the future. What really pisses me off though is I can no longer purchase ammo via mail order. Sportsman's Guide has the best deals on bulk ammo. Love that Russian surplus 7.62X39mm.


35 posted on 07/24/2005 7:10:47 AM PDT by RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS. (NUGENT and me IN '08)
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To: holymoly
So, if this bill somehow works it's "magic", convenience store clerks will now have to face shotguns instead of .380's. This is an improvement?

Unless of course these geniuses have figured out a way to ID every pellet in bird shot.

36 posted on 07/24/2005 7:18:46 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: Buffalo Head
Buying stock is one thing; advocating law breaking is another.

I never advocated breaking the law.

I simply recognized an inevitablilty - that this "technology" may well be defeated in some manner. Just as serial numbers have been filed off firearms for decades, some criminal will find a way to defeat this.

37 posted on 07/24/2005 7:30:47 AM PDT by holymoly (Yea, whatever.)
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To: holymoly
The obvious solution for criminals to this idiotic legislation is to simply use revolvers, which as we all know, do not leave shell casings lying about when fired. Also, simply filing the serial numbers down so the stampings down work is another one, or simply stealing a gun and using it so that the original owner is traced and not the perp.

OR, obtaining a gun from another state or one of the many black market firearms that most criminals use instead of trying to buy one legally.

If they had a brain these politicians might actually become more dangerous than they already are.

Hopefully this POS legislation won't pass along with the one that is supposed to stamp serial numbers on bullets. What a bunch of idiots. Just another attempt to get rid of firearms in the state of CA.

38 posted on 07/24/2005 7:32:01 AM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS.
Sportsman's Guide won't ship to Mass?!?

Hmm, I wonder if they'll ship to me now. I'm outside Chicago and Cook County in what's called here a "collar county". I haven't purchased anything from them for a while but I still get the catalog, maybe I better check.

But there's still CheaperThanDirt.com. Have you tried them? That's where I get my 8mm (8x57) Mauser and 9mm (9x18) Makarov Glaser Safety Slug ammo.

39 posted on 07/24/2005 8:06:28 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Smokin' Joe
*****How in the Hell does the gun stamp the projectile and the cartridge case with a number? "Enquiring minds" want to know! I can envision a way to stamp the case, but that is a simple fix (brass catcher, or a revolver), but the bullet?

Or is this a typical anti-gun nitwit who does not know a cartridge case from a bullet?*****

I see you noticed that too.
The casing in 'theory' I guess can be done - with firing pin modifications. But the 'bullet' itself, no way - unless it is done at the factory (which I think has been proposed). So I'm guessing that's why the bill pertains to semi-autos and not revolvers.

And as you say I'm sure the Bill is written by an anti-gun nitwit, or the 'reporter' got it wrong - whose also likely to be an anti-gun nitwit.

WAIT.. I just noticed, it's written by "Michelle", I should have known. It seems to me that every anti gun article is now written by some firearm illiterate female 'reporterette'. I swear it must be a union rule. And they ALWAYS get something wrong, like a shotgun turning into an AK-47.

40 posted on 07/24/2005 8:28:11 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Condor51

It's not the companies it's the dumacrapic state of MA that won't allow the shipping of ammo. They passed a knee jerk reaction law about 3 or 4 years ago. They said it was to keep ammo from getting into the hands of minors. The libs favorite excuse ..."save the children."


41 posted on 07/24/2005 9:20:42 AM PDT by RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS. (NUGENT and me IN '08)
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To: Condor51
Actually, if you define the term semiauto in terms of the mechanism rather than the feeding cycle. When it's semiauto versus full auto then the revolver fits, too. As in one pull of the trigger results in one shot instead of one pull results in MANY shots (ie full auto).
42 posted on 07/24/2005 9:30:19 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: WillMalven
"It becomes incumbent on all true patriots to defend the Second Amendment."

Yes. Please list what you have done to defend the Second Amendment. Or are you just blowing smoke and talking the talk?
43 posted on 07/24/2005 11:19:22 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Bear_Slayer
"Any fair machinist good fashion forged cases."

Did you mean "could" rather than "good"? Either way, the finest machinist on earth can not forge the microscopic details that are used in the "finger printing" system.

44 posted on 07/24/2005 11:25:48 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head

I write and publish editorials defending all of the amendments, am an active member of the NRA, and buy guns on a regular basis. I also write my and other congress members.

What do you do?


45 posted on 07/24/2005 5:39:47 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: Buffalo Head
the finest machinist on earth can not forge the microscopic details that are used in the "finger printing" system.

If you are referring to ballistic forensics, then I agree with you, but this is not what is being discussed and certainly not what I was speaking about. This has to do with stamped shell casings

I'm an amateur machinist and I can easily comprehend a mechanism for creating/forging stamped cases. It is a technology that could easily be done on existing weapons.

46 posted on 07/24/2005 8:41:33 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (DOC - 81mm Mortars, Wpns Co. 2/3 KMCAS 86-89)
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To: Buffalo Head

I guess your the one blowing smoke. Huh well imagine that.


47 posted on 07/24/2005 8:58:50 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: WillMalven
"What do you do?"

Everything that you claim, in addition to serving our country in combat against communist forces and drafting a good portion of the bill that redefined "Antique Guns and Ignition Systems" in a revision to the GCA1968 several years ago.

48 posted on 07/24/2005 9:39:23 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Bear_Slayer
"This has to do with stamped shell casings."

No, it does not. It has to do with laser etching serial numbers on bullets. The 'finger printing' of shellcases is an entirely different matter. No gunsmith can duplicate or 'forge' either.

Please be accurate with your postings.

49 posted on 07/24/2005 9:44:01 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: WillMalven
"I guess your the one blowing smoke."

There has been too much uniformed guessing on this thread. There is an unwritten obligation to post either facts or opinions on this forum. Your opinion has absolutely no merit.

50 posted on 07/24/2005 9:48:53 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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