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Senior Police Commander On Film Calls to Beat Disengagement Opponents Without Mercy
Arutz 7 ^ | Jul 22, '05 | staff

Posted on 07/24/2005 9:04:37 AM PDT by Nachum

(IsraelNN.com) Channel 10 TV on Friday night will air its video footage depicting Negev police commander Brigadier-General Miso Shacham. Speaking to the area border police commander, Shacham is recorded instructing his forces to beat anyone who breaks away from the Kfar Maimon group, seeking to enter Gush Katif.

He called for the indiscriminate use of the water cannon, giving him authority to do so without hesitation or approval, as well as telling him to use batons and “hit them hard, blows to the lower extremities to teach them a lesson”.

The documented footage includes a fair share of vulgarities and explicit instructions to inflict pain on those persons apprehended trying to enter Gush Katif.

Learning of the footage and the Channel 10 program, Shacham explained his statements were made in a closed conversation with a senior officer following a number of days without sleep, expressing remorse for his harsh words.

Israel Police officials have requested the tape from Channel 10 to review the conversation as well as the context in which the remarks were made.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: beat; calls; commander; disengagement; film; mercy; on; opponents; police; senior; to; without
Israel Police officials have requested the tape from Channel 10 to review the conversation as well as the context in which the remarks were made.

So they can burn the tape.

1 posted on 07/24/2005 9:04:39 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

He can work as commander of the southern border sector of the US, if they fire him over there :)


2 posted on 07/24/2005 9:16:50 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Nachum
So? Beat the hell out of em.
3 posted on 07/24/2005 9:20:32 AM PDT by carolinacrazy (Bow to your sensei.... BOW TO YOUR SENSEI...... www.jackassdemocrats.com)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Not funny, and no we don't need his type on our border.

The Minutemen acomplished the goal with out a single case of violence.


4 posted on 07/24/2005 9:34:15 AM PDT by dinok
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To: Nachum
tHIS IS SICKENING , BUT NOT TOTALLY SUPRISING.
The disengagement has brought out of the closet the fascistic "I'm not Jewish I'm Israeli" Labor Party types.
If one reads the Isreali papers, the is a feeling among "I'm not Jewish I'm Israeli" Labor Party types, that the disengagement is the WATERLOO OF THE NATIONAL RELIGIOUS. Articles in Haaretz by Uri Avinery could have been writen inDER STURMER. They hope to resurect that great non-Jewish ISRAELI culture where their greatest celebrity is a transsexual singer.
However the major flaws with the logic of "I'm not Jewish I'm Israeli" Labor Party types is that without the proudly Jewish minority, the citizen arabs of ummel fahm etc pop out more babies and will take over. Moreover secular( or non orthodox American Jews will not save them from the final Arab onslaught.
Non orthodox Americans are more likely to have a child die of AIDS than make aliyah, and are intermarrying them selves out of existence anyway.
5 posted on 07/24/2005 9:34:32 AM PDT by avile
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To: dinok

The Minutemen acomplished the goal

they did?

I suppose they did, if there only goal was to bring the issue to the fore.

I want all border crossings into the US to be lawful and otherwise on the up&up....and I don't give a rip what any PC feelgooder/bedwetter says in opposition.


6 posted on 07/24/2005 9:41:51 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: dinok
"The Minutemen acomplished the goal with out a single case of violence."

The Minutemen accomplished showing my countrymen that the Border Patrol are useless, the politicians are gutless and we who aren't ready to defend ourselves are going to be trampled into the dust and our civilization brought down.

7 posted on 07/24/2005 9:42:07 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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I don't know how you beat someone with mercy.

8 posted on 07/24/2005 9:49:07 AM PDT by SJackson (On the second try, I got that jug off [the bear's head], but then I had a bear tied to a tree)
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To: Nachum
You can GO HERE to see some pics taken from the film with explanations in English. THAT ATE UP COMMANDER SHOULD BE FIRED!!!
9 posted on 07/24/2005 10:42:06 AM PDT by Reborn
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To: Reborn
THAT ATE UP COMMANDER SHOULD BE FIRED!!!

Oh, I don't know...after all, now everyone knows who "gave the order." What do you think his life will be worth six months from now?

Even Rabin suffered for his actions. You think this guy will be any more secure?

10 posted on 07/24/2005 11:02:02 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
He can work as commander of the southern border sector of the US, if they fire him over there :)

Not even close, and not even funny.

What this guy is ordering is legitimate grounds for good men to advocate his assassination.

11 posted on 07/24/2005 11:07:40 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: papertyger

Well, I hear what you're saying, but my concern is that if something FIRM (like being fined and fired) isn't done with him, then guess what message that is going to send down the ranks? Why would the average policeman give a care about beating the brains out of one of these folks, if the leadership isn't held accountable?


12 posted on 07/24/2005 11:12:04 AM PDT by Reborn
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To: Reborn
Of course, you are correct. Punitive action should be taken against this guy, if for no other reason than to punish his lack of discipline.

I do think it ironic that he no longer has plausible deniability for the "accidental" deaths that invariably occur under such ROE.

This guy is SO screwed.

13 posted on 07/24/2005 11:20:07 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: avile
Moreover secular( or non orthodox American Jews will not save them from the final Arab onslaught. Non orthodox Americans are more likely to have a child die of AIDS than make aliyah, and are intermarrying them selves out of existence anyway.

I think your analysis is very insightful.

14 posted on 07/24/2005 11:25:42 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: Nachum

Unbelievable. And the subordinate is wearing a kippa.

This is what the US wants. US policy seems now to be that if Israel can be made an undemocratic entity such as Egypt and the rest, then all the populations can be controlled.


15 posted on 07/24/2005 11:31:47 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: Sabramerican
This is what the US wants. US policy seems now to be that if Israel can be made an undemocratic entity such as Egypt and the rest, then all the populations can be controlled.

And it seems to happen the last Bush was in office too...

16 posted on 07/24/2005 11:50:42 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: papertyger

unfortunately so.


17 posted on 07/24/2005 11:52:31 AM PDT by avile
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To: avile

Perhaps this nascent "Bible Block Party" or whatever they call themselves in Hebrew, has the potential to change the dynamic somewhat.

Israel may not be able to ignore the Bush administration, but the Bush administration can not ignore it's own base.

A unity party like that might be able to draw strength from the influence of the Republican base.


18 posted on 07/24/2005 12:14:40 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: papertyger
Bush administration can not ignore it's own base.

Is Bush's base manifested on Freerepublic?

See the threads related to Israel, the Administration's lies about peaceful Abbas, the on going terrorism during a "cease fire", the creation of a terrorist base in Gaza, et al, and tell me how much interest- or lack thereof- is on those threads.

19 posted on 07/24/2005 2:33:48 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: Sabramerican

Yours is precisely the kind of belligerence that alienates Israel's potential allies. You may prefer to piss about slights, but I suggest cultivating friendships would be more advantageous.

Do you think the Bush administration wouldn't prefer to nominate a Supreme Court Justice that would draw no Democrat fire?


20 posted on 07/24/2005 3:04:09 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: papertyger
"Yours is precisely the kind of belligerence that alienates Israel's potential allies"

How many more Jewish civilians have to be slaughtered for them to become "real allies"?

The bush administration is very busy emailing us republican Jews to give the noise, money and support for Roberts (and the rest of the WH's domestic agenda) that we gave for 2000 and 2004 election.

You may or may not be one of the whiners who complain not enough Jews are republicans, BUT THOSE OF US HERE WHO ARE ACTIVE REPUBLICAN JEWS (who support the WOT AND THE WH DOMESTIC AGENDA) are sick of watching the U.S. BETRAY NOT ONLY ISRAEL, BUT AMERICA'S OWN WOT. by encouraging jihadi scum to keep fighting for more concessions.

Every time America plays "honest broker" with terrorist filth, they are telling the world that terrorism pays.

If you don't think the the iranians, saudi, paki and iraqi jihad scum aren't getting the same message that Hamas is, then you're almost as dangerous and foolish as Rice, Wolfowitz and the rest of the DC pinheads who are responding to EVERY ATTACK ON JEWISH CIVILIANS WITH MORE DEMANDS ON ISRAEL.
21 posted on 07/24/2005 9:17:04 PM PDT by Yehuda (America: Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE! [" Choke on it, pinkos!"])
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To: Yehuda
How many more Jewish civilians have to be slaughtered for them to become "real allies"?

Slaughtered Israeli civilians isn't going to make allies. Are you so dull-witted you haven't figured that out yet?

You know the divisions in America as well as anyone. There are plenty of Americans that sleep very soundly at night while thousands of civilians are slaughtered all around the world.

And I can promise you this...screeching at the Americans that have a love for Israel about the ones that don't will get you the assistance of neither.

Do you think Republican Christians don't get those same emails? Newsflash: you got them for being a Republican, not for being a Jew.

Do you think it didn't take four million Evangelicals staying home in 2000, after working for Republican causes for thirty years to finally get the attention, and scare the hell out of, wizards like Rove and convince them they better start delivering on the pro-life agenda?

Did Bush not refuse to deal with Arafat once his duplicity was proven?

What the hell do you think keeps America from holding Israel in the same esteem as Europe does?

What demands are being placed on Israel by the US government? Does she ever bother to explain what they are to her Christian friends? Is there any organized outreach to inform Israel's Christian friends what's being demanded of them in America's name?

I know of exactly one Israeli that will go to speak at Christian Churches about Israel, and the only thing the Israeli on the street can say in the way of encouragement and thanks to him for trying to enlist the help of Christians is accuse him of being a "Jew for Jesus."

There's a big resource for Israel in America, but she's not going to get it by going through the US government.

You call me 'dangerous' and a 'pinhead', but tell me why are you talking this way to a supporter of Israel at a time when a sizable chunk of our population is FINALLY getting the idea our enemies are the same as Israel's enemies?

22 posted on 07/24/2005 10:59:55 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: papertyger
"What demands are being placed on Israel by the US government? "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1449748/posts

Rice says Israel must allow freedom for Gaza Strip http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1448979/posts

Envoy: Expulsion partof U.S.-Israeli policy http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1449195/posts

Me thinks you protest too much - SabraAmerican complained about the Bush admin - YOU"RE the one who said his complainst against the ADMINISTRATION would not help; NOW you say "Is there any organized outreach to inform Israel's Christian friends what's being demanded of them in America's name?"

Gee, I am sorry that you need reminding that caving to jihad in Israel ENCOURAGES scum to kill Americans.

I guess reading and watching the news isn't enough for you, need "outreach" to beg you to open your eyes.
23 posted on 07/25/2005 6:26:12 AM PDT by Yehuda (America: Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE! [" Choke on it, pinkos!"])
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To: Yehuda

Oh please. Posting links that dodge the question in a different way is still dodging the question.

You obviously have no problem giving answers to questions you don't understand, but I do.

At face value, it is not in Israel's interest to give the Palestinialns anything but a clock cleaning, so why is it they keep going back to the table with them? Ostensibly because America is putting pressure on them, BUT WHAT KIND OF PRESSURE? Why are the Israelis not telling Washington to go pound sand? What is Washington holding over them that is more important than a sane policy with respect to the Palestinians? And if Washington is practicing international blackmail, why not try to "go around" Washington?

As I said earlier, and I suppose I should type slowly so you can keep up, it's not like the administration wouldn't prefer to nominate a SCOTUS replacement that would sail through the Senate. Many Americans have basicly put the Republicans on notice that they believe those Republicans have been talking out of both sides of their mouths where pro-life issues are concerned.

If they are to take them to task for the same thing on Israel, why is it so hard for you to understand it has to be clearly demonstrated that Washington is indeed talking out of both sides of it's mouth where Israel is concerned? Sure, watching the news makes it seem they are being asked to do things that aren't in their best interest...so why do they keep going along with it?



It's unfortunate you enjoy venting your spleen so much more than exercising a little consideration on exactly what question is being asked, and what suggestions are being made. It would help you avoid asinine responses like your last one.


24 posted on 07/26/2005 3:58:05 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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