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ARE we in a World War? You be the judge...
US State Dept; wikipedia; UCal; multiple others ^ | 7/24/05

Posted on 07/24/2005 10:05:56 AM PDT by Wolfstar

An incredible number of attacks by Islamic jihadists have been planned over the last 35 years. Although many have been averted, far too many plots have succeeded:

Since 1970, jihadists carried out attacks in over 60 cities, in at least 41 countries, on five continents and Pacific islands. Jihadists have assassinated heads of state, ambassadors and military personnel, and killed thousands of men, women, and children of many ages, ethnicities and religions (including Muslims). They have sometimes deliberately targeted children and babies.

The 78 incidents listed below should not be taken as a complete list, merely a representative one. The listed attacks resulted in at least 7478 deaths (rate of over two attacks/death toll over 210 annually). They began 33 years before our invasion of Iraq.

Had just one of the biggest known aborted attacks been successful (e.g., Operation Bojinka), the death toll would have been in the tens of thousands, resulting in an annual rate of many hundreds killed. Luck, as much as intelligence and investigative skill, has prevented some massive attacks. Operation Bojinka was only discovered due to an apartment fire. However, the frequency and complexity of such attacks have continued to escalate since the 1970's.

We easily could have lost well over 10,000 on 9/11/01. Yet that was not the biggest known planned attack on New York City. The same cell which carried out the 1993 WTC attack intended to bomb the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, the UN building, and other NYC landmarks on one day. Had they succeeded, the death toll could have been beyond unthinkable. Similarly, had the plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport succeeded during New Year's, 2000, the death toll could have been horrendous. Sooner or later, we may run out of luck.

We know the jihadists train and carry out small test runs for much larger planned attacks. Was the 2001 anthrax bioweapons attack such a test run? We may never know — that is, we may never know until the day we're hit with a much larger bioweapons attack. We also know from captured terrorist documents, computers and equipment that the jihadist network wants to make or obtain chemical and nuclear weapons. They are already way too close to such weapons in Pakistan and Iran. Most importantly, we know they take a very long view of history. Their plots can and often do take years to execute.

If this list doesn't make clear that we are in a bona fide World War, what will? Yes, it's an unconventional war or, to use the current faddish term, an asymmetrical war. We are facing what amounts to a shadowy guerrilla army that operates worldwide, rather than massed armies openly fielded by nations. Nevertheless, for our own survival we need to come to grips with the fact that we are, indeed, in a World War such as has never been seen before. The enemy has been escalating the frequency and ferocity of his attacks over the past 35 years while we have been oblivious to the growing danger.

Year
Month
Day
Location
Description
Dead

1970

Feb

21

Zurich, Switzerland

SwissAir 330 bombed by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a member group of Yasser Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). All aboard were killed.

47

1970

Sept

6–7

Europe: Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt, Zurich First multiple aircraft hijackings: Five planes were hijacked. (Two landed at a desert airstrip in Jordan called Dawson's Field, giving the incident it’s name.) The PFLP was responsible.

2

1972

May

30

Tel Aviv, Israel First known joint operation between jihadists and a terroristic Communist group. PFLP dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv.

27

1972

Sept

5

Munich, Germany Israeli athletes murdered at Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves "Black September," an arm of Fatah operating under Yasser Arafat's direct command. (The PLO was kicked out of Jordan and fled to Lebanon in September, hence the term "black.").

11

1973

Dec

17

Rome, Italy Phosphorus bombs thrown aboard Pan Am 110. The terrorists were all members of Fatah, and Abu Nidal masterminded the attack.

30

1973

Mar

1

Khartoum, Sudan Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy. A Belgian and two Americans, were killed, including Cleo Noel, U.S. Amb. to Sudan.

3

1974

May

15

Ma'alot, Israel One of the earliest known incidents when jihadists deliberately targeted children. PFLP broke into a high school where 14 to 16-year-olds were resting after an outing. They killed a security guard, detonated grenades and shot the children.

26

1974

Sept

8

Athens, Greece TWA 841 explodes after takeoff killing all aboard. A youth group in Beirut claimed responsibility. Abu Nidal was the suspected mastermind.

88

1976

July

3–4

Entebbe, Uganda Hijacking of Air France 139 and subsequent Operation Entebbe: Six terrorists and three hostages died. Ugandan forces opened fire on Israeli troops killing Col. Jonathan "Yoni" Netanyahu, the operation’s commander; 45 Ugandan soldiers were killed and Ugandan fighter planes sitting on the ramp were "put into non-flying condition."

55

1979

Nov

4

Tehran, Iran A militant Islamic mob took over the U.S. embassy and held 52 Americans hostage for the next 444 days. A U.S. rescue attempt in April 1980 failed. The hostages were released Jan. 20, 1981.

8

1981

Oct

6

Cairo, Egypt Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was assassinated by the Egyptian branch of Islamic Jihad (a code name for Hezobllah).

1

1982

Sept

14

Lebanon Lebanese Prime Minister Bashir Gemayel and 25 others were killed in a car bomb attack. Gemayel was seen by many Muslims as too "pro" Israel.

26

1983

Apr

18

Beirut, Lebanon A van drove up to the U.S. embassy, parked under the portico and exploded. The front section of the embassy collapsed. Islamic Jihad was responsible.

63

1983

Dec

12

Kuwait City, Kuwait A truck loaded with explosives crashed into the U.S. Embassy annex. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

4

1983

Oct

23

Beirut, Lebanon A truck drove to HQ, U.S. Marines. The driver gunned his engine, crashed through a barbed-wire fence, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate, and barreled into the lobby. The Marine sentries did not have loaded weapons and were unable to shoot the driver. (According to one Marine, the driver was smiling as he sped past him.) The suicide bomber detonated his truck. The force collapsed the four-story cinder-block building.About 20 seconds later, an identical attack occurred on the French paratroop barracks.It was the deadliest single-day death toll for the American military since World War II. Hezbollah, backed by Iran and Syria, were responsible.

299

1983

Sept

23

Abu Dhabi, UAE Gulf Air 771 enroute from Abu Dhabi to Karachi exploded and crashed in the desert near Mina Jebel Ali, UAE, killing all aboard.

117

1985

Apr

12

Madrid, Spain A bomb exploded in a restaurant where U.S. soldiers liked to eat.

18

1985

Dec

27

Rome, Italy &
Vienna, Austria
Four terrorists walked to the ticket counter of El Al airlines at Leonardo Da Vinci International Airport and opened fire with assault rifles and grenades. Minutes later, an identical attack occurred at the Vienna International Airport. The Abu Nidal group was responsible.

20

1985

Nov

23

Valeta, Malta EgyptAir 648 hijacked by Abu Nidal group. The plane was flown to Malta where Egyptian commandos stormed it.

60

1985

Oct

7

Port Said, Egypt Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro hijacked by Palestinian terrorists. Wheelchair-bound elderly man, Leon Klinghoffer, was shot and thrown overboard. Instructions for the attack originated from Yasser Arafat's headquarters in Tunis.

1

1986

Apr

2

Athens, Greece A bomb exploded aboard TWA 840, sucking four American passengers, including a nine-month-old baby, to their deaths below. The "Arab Revolutionary Cells" claimed responsibility. The group was later connected to Yasser Arafat.

4

1986

Apr

6

Berlin, West Germany The La Belle discotheque was bombed in an attack on U.S. servicemen. Libya was responsible.

3

1986

Sept

5

Karachi, Pakista Pan Am 7 hijacked by four armed men (Abu Nidal). The leader ordered flight attendants to collect passports. Rajesh Kumar, a 29-year-old California resident who had recently become a naturalized U.S. citizen, was shot in the head, then heaved onto the tarmac. The terrorists positioned themselves in front and behind the crowd of passengers/crew. After reciting a martyrdom prayer in Arabic, they opened fire, throwing hand grenades into the crowd and spraying the trapped people with automatic weapons fire. A 2nd U.S. citizen was killed; the father of two young children who were next to their dad when he was shot. Scores of other passengers were injured.

21

1988

Dec

21

Lockerbie, Scotland Pan Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie killing 270, including 11 people on the ground; 189 were Americans. The terrorists were traced to Libya.

270

1989

Sept

19

Sahara Desert UTA 772, a French DC-10, exploded killing all aboard. The brother-in-law of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and five other Libyans were put on trial in absentia for the bombing. In 2003, Libya admitted responsibility and agreed to pay the families of the victims.

170

1992

Mar

17

Buenos Aires, Argentina A car bomb exploded in front of the Israeli Embassy. Most victims were Argentine civilians, including children. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. In 1998, a telephone call intercepted from the Iranian embassy in Argentina proved Iran had been involved in the attack.

29

1993

Feb

26

New York First World Trade Center bombing, which was planned by Ramzi Youssef.

6

1993

Jan

25

Langley, Virginia Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fired an AK-47 assault rifle into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of CIA HQ. He was captured in Pakistan and executed in the United States Nov 14, 2002.

2

1994

Dec

11

Near Okinawa, Japan Small bomb on Philippines Airlines plane kills one, injures six. Authorities learned that Ramzi Yousef planted the bomb as a test run for "Operation Bojinka."

1

1994

Dec

24

Algiers, Algeria Air France 8969 was hijacked by GIA (Armed Islamic Group). The terrorists planned to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower in Paris.

7

1994

July

18

Buenos Aires, Argentina A powerful bomb made of ammonium nitrate was driven through the front gates of the seven-story Argentina-Israeli Mutual Association, leveling the building. The suicide bomber, Ibrahim Hussein Berro, a 29-year-old Shiite Muslim, has been honored with a plaque in southern Lebanon.

86

1994

July

19

Panama A Panamanian commuter plane exploded killing all aboard. A group based in Lebanon claimed the attack, but it is believe Hezbollah was responsible, with backing from Iran.

29

1995

Jan

6–7

Manila, Philippines Plans for "Operation Bojinka" were discovered on a laptop computer in Manila after an apartment fire. It was to be a large-scale attack on airliners in 1995, and was a precursor to the Sept 11 attacks. The plot was developed by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed while they were in Manila in 1994 and early 1995. Bombs were to be planted on 11 U.S.-bound airliners that had stopovers all around East Asia and Southeast Asia. The aircraft would have blown up over the Pacific and South China Sea almost simultaneously. If this plan worked, as many as 4000 would have perished and air travel would have been shut down worldwide.

0

1995

Nov

13

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia A car bomb exploded outside a joint HQ for U.S. and Saudi military. Three Islamic terror organizations claimed responsibility.

7

1995

Nov

19

Islamabad, Pakistan Egyptian Embassy was bombed.

19

1996

Dec

3

Paris, France A bomb exploded aboard a subway train killing four and injuring 86, including a U.S. citizen. No one claimed responsibility, but Algerian extremists were suspected.

4

1996

June

25

Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility. The Saudi branch of Hezbollah was responsible.

19

1997

Nov

17

Luxor, Egypt Six gunmen emerged from desert cliffs into the Temple of Hatshepsut and opened fire with automatic weapons at dozens of tourists. The dead included Japanese, German, Swiss and Egyptian citizens.

71

1997

Sept

18

Cairo, Egypt Three men calmly walked up to a tourist bus outside the Egyptian Museum, pulled weapons from a plastic bag, and unleashed an attack that killed 10, at least seven of them German tourists. One gunman, Saber Mohammed Farhat Abu el-Ulla, had carried out a similar attack four years earlier, killing two Americans and a French citizen.

10

1998

Aug

7

Nairobi, Kenya & Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania Twin truck bomb attacks against U.S. embassies. At least 225 dead and more than 4000 wounded.

225

1999

Jan

3

Islamabad, Pakistan Gunmen opened fire on Shi'a Muslims worshipping in a mosque.

16

1999

Dec

24

Kathmandu, Nepal Indian Airlines 814 was hijacked by Taliban agents.

1

1999

Aug

31

Moscow, Russia Multiple Russian apartment bombings by Chechen terrorists, killing at least 300.

300

2000

Oct

12

Aden, Yemen Boat bomb attack on the USS Cole.

17

2001

Dec

13

New Delhi, India

Terrorists attack Indian Parliament building. Laskhar-e-Taiba, a radical Islamic group (affiliated with Al Qaeda), was thought responsible. A terrorist arrested in connection with the attack told investigators Al Qaeda had plans to attack the British and Australian Embassies, and Parliament.

12

2001

Sept

11

New York, Virginia, Pennsylvania Hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. A fourth crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. Nearly 3000 dead, including 265 on the planes; 343 firemen; 60 New York City and Port Authority police officers; 125 at the Pentagon.

2,985

2002

Oct

17–18

Zamboanga & Manila, Philippines

Two bombs exploded in the main shopping district of the mostly Christian city of Zamboanga. A day later, a bus was bombed in Manila. Jemaah Islamiyah, an Islamic extremist group affiliated with Al Qaeda, was responsible.

9

2002

Apr

11

Djerba, Tunisia Car bomb attack against a synagogue on the resort island of Djerba. At least 21 dead.

21

2002

June

14

Karachi, Pakistan Truck bomb attack against U.S. Consulate.

12

2002

May

9

Kaspiisk, Dagestan

A bomb explosion in kills at least 42 people and injures 130 or more during Victory Day festivities.

42

2002

Nov

28

Mombasa, Kenya Attack on an Israeli-owned hotel. Surface-to-air missile launched at Israeli airliner the same day.

12

2002

Oct

12

Bali, Indonesia Attacks against U.S. Consulate, Sari Club and Paddy's Bar. Most of the dead were Australian tourists.

202

2002

Oct

23

Moscow, Russia

Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue 3 days later.

160

2003

Apr

3

Russia

Chechen Islamists carry out 10 deadly suicide bombings across Russia and nearby provinces between Apr and Dec.

250

2003

Aug

19

Baghdad, Iraq

Canal Hotel Bombing (UN HQ) in Baghdad, Iraq kills 22 people including the top UN representative, Sergio Vieira de Mello.

22

2003

Aug

5

Indonesia Car bomb attack against Marriott Hotel. At least 12 dead.

12

2003

Aug

1

Mozdok, Russia

The Russian hospital in Mozdok, North Ossetia, was bombed.

50

2003

May

12

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Attacks at three compounds housing non-Saudi workers. At least 30 dead. Al Qaeda was responsible.

30

2003

May

16

Casablanca, Morocco Multiple suicide bombings against Spanish and Jewish facilities, and involved 12 bombers and 5 targets. The Attack was attributed to a Moroccan Al Qaeda-linked group.

45

2003

May

12

Znamenskoye, Chechnya

Truck bomb attack on a government building.

59

2003

Nov

8

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Car bomb attack against residential compound housing mainly workers from other Arab countries.

17

2003

Nov

15–20

Istanbul, Turkey Two car bomb attacks at Jewish synagogues, plus car bomb attacks at HSBC Bank and the British Consulate.

60

2004

Feb

1

Arbil, Iraq

Two suicide bombings kill 109 Kurds.

109

2004

Mar

2

Iraq

Known as the Ashoura Massacre, Al Qaeda carries out suicide bombings at Shia holy sites killing 181 and wounding over 500.

181

2004

Aug

24

Russia

Multiple, nearly simultaneous Russian airplane bombings.

90

2004

Aug

31

Moscow, Russia

Suicide bombing near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow.

10

2004

Dec

12

Gen. Santos, Philippines

Bombing at Christmas market in General Santos, Philippines.

15

2004

Feb

6

Moscow, Russia

Bomb on Moscow subway.

41

2004

Feb

27

Philippines

Superferry 14 was bombed by Abu Sayyaf group.

116

2004

Mar

11

Madrid, Spain Bomb attacks against four trains. Terrorists blew themselves up when confronted by police.

199

2004

May

1

Yanbu, Saudi Arabia Attack on non-Saudi oil workers.

7

2004

May

29

Al-Khobar, Saudi Arabia

Islamic terrorists kill 22 people at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.

22

2004

Oct

8

Taba, Egypt Large explosions at Hilton Hotel in Taba and at two campsites in the Sinai area.

30

2004

Oct

7

Sinai, Egypt

Three car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula, killing at least 32 and wounding 114, most of them Israeli tourists.

32

2004

Sept

9

Jakarta, Indonesia Car bomb outside Australian Embassy.

9

2004

Sept

1–3

Beslan, North Ossetia, Russia

Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia results in a massacre of children.

330

2004

Sept

9

Jakarta, Indonesia

The Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed.

8

2005

July

7

London, England Four suicide bomb attacks in three tube trains and a bus. At least 56 dead.

56



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What can we do? For starters, we need to stop seeing terrorist attacks as independent crimes. We need to stop fooling ourselves that any action on our part caused any of these attacks. Rather, we need to see them as operations in one long, sustained, worldwide campaign by jihadists against the "infidel." And we need to help educate other Americans to the peril we all face. The purpose of this list is to help us begin to do so. We need to pressure the federal government to recreate the Civil Defense Corps, complete with coast watchers, border watchers, and people who are trained to help keep an eye on major facilities in their communities. The American people are a vital resource which, so far, the government has failed to use.
1 posted on 07/24/2005 10:05:57 AM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: Wolfstar

of course we are,and why are all the attacks against israel left out??/are they not western allies in this war against the Muslim??


2 posted on 07/24/2005 10:07:58 AM PDT by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: Wolfstar
Bookmarked
Thanks
3 posted on 07/24/2005 10:10:17 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Wolfstar

Unfortunately this list ignores all the terrorist bombings, shootings and stabbings that have occurred in Israel.


4 posted on 07/24/2005 10:10:30 AM PDT by bvw
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To: rang1995

The war on terror is global. But when I think world war, I thinking WWI and WWII. Countries fighting other countries. Millions killed with the possiblility that America or UK could have lost and been invaded by a military force of the NAZIs or Japanese empire. I dont see the war on terror that way.
Our military will prevail, an all volunteer force, we are not mobilizing the average citizen like in WWII. An average non-military family does not sacrifice anything at all like one did in WWII.
We are winning this war. The odds that the islamo facists will achieve what they want (islamic rule of earth)are zero. Yes it is very serious why we fight, and I do not attempt to diminish at all what is at stake. I know very well in this nuclear age, but we have engaged the enemy, that was half the battle in my opinion. Its a war of will and resolve I think too. Will and resolve here at home to fight this war. And we are winning that as well, the re-election of major coalition war leaders is the proof.
I just cant compare these islamo facists zealots on teh same level as NAZI Germany or the Japanese empire. Yeah the effed up zealots are just as bad as they were. But they are not countries with fleets of ships, armys with tanks. I wont give these jokers that much power by viewing them that way. They are brainwashed cowards.


5 posted on 07/24/2005 10:18:32 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Wolfstar

Bttt


6 posted on 07/24/2005 10:19:38 AM PDT by A message (RINOs and Democrats must be voted out of office for the safety of our nation.)
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To: rang1995

It is common knowledge that the muslims kill Jews. In their mind there is no Jewish state. It is forbidden under Islam.

To hear the left spin in, the Jews in Israel get what they deserve because they sit on arab land and the West gets what it deserves for intervening in Irsael and the Middle East.

They claim that we fight wars against Iraq for oil yet Saddam still feels justified in invading Kuwait. To hear the left describe it, America is wrong for deposing Saddam because we invaded a soverign nation.

If we provide aid through the CIA to help support movements to overthrow governments we don't like we are wrong and the CIA is evil. If the White House is accused of leaking details about the CIA then suddenly they are a respectible government institution.

If other governments fund agitators and terrorists in Iraq and Berkely (whether it is 1969 or 2005) we should not look at the governments that are behind the "insurgency".

The left is screwed because you cannot listen to their arguments. They are entirely dishonest. YES we are in a world war. They don't want to fight (protected self-interest) and in the end, they need global chaos on their side so that they can toss out our Constitutional democracy for the anarchist-socialist utopian dream that feeds their own violent protest.


7 posted on 07/24/2005 10:23:56 AM PDT by weegee (The blame on Plame is mainly that it's lame . . . - END THE ROVEBAITING NOW!)
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To: Wolfstar

Yeah yeah yeah.
That's all very interesting and all. But will someone please tell me what happened last week on American Idol and Desperate Housewives. I missed them and I NEED to know or else I will be lost.


8 posted on 07/24/2005 10:24:19 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: rang1995; bvw
Why are all the attacks against Israel left out?

1. The purpose of this list is to dramatically show the worldwide scope of the Islamofreaks' terror war.

2. It is impossible to list every Islamofreak terrorist attack that's ever occurred. The list would be extremely lengthy.

3. The above list should be taken as REPRESENTATIVE, not as complete.

4. These are major attacks (in one case, a planned attack that was averted) only.

5. There are a couple of key attacks that took place in Israel or, against Israelis.

6. We need to stop thinking of this war as one that's only against Israel. That's a huge mistake the west has been making for over 35 years. Israel must never again stand alone against these killers. We are all in it together.

9 posted on 07/24/2005 10:26:05 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: F15Eagle

Please see my post #9.


10 posted on 07/24/2005 10:27:30 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

YES!

The islamoscum started this and WE WILL FINISH IT!!!

A speedy death to the "ROP" and the sooner the better...


11 posted on 07/24/2005 10:27:58 AM PDT by ChefKeith (If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking.)
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To: Wolfstar

Well, THIS will never make the MSM. Send it to O'reily.

Well done.


12 posted on 07/24/2005 10:28:30 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
But when I think world war, I think WWI and WWII.

And that is a serious mistake. War is war, whether it is fought by massed armies fielded by nations, or by guerrillas hiding in the shadows.

13 posted on 07/24/2005 10:29:28 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: frankiep

If you missed "American Idol" and "Desperate Housewives" then I'm sure it's somehow Bush's fault.


14 posted on 07/24/2005 10:29:42 AM PDT by teacherwoes (If you can read this...thank a caring teacher)
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To: rang1995
why are all the attacks against israel left out

See my Post #9.

15 posted on 07/24/2005 10:30:20 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: mercy
Well, THIS will never make the MSM.

Nope, they want us thinking in fragmented ways. They don't want us to see the big picture.

And thanks. :-)

16 posted on 07/24/2005 10:32:25 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Some one needs to send this out to the major ping lists. It deserves to be part of the readilly available FR archives.


17 posted on 07/24/2005 10:32:39 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Bahbah; CAluvdubya; CyberAnt; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; DrDeb; Howlin; ...

Pinging a few cyber friends to critical info.


18 posted on 07/24/2005 10:33:58 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Bump, so that others may see..........and hopefully, understand what we are up against.


19 posted on 07/24/2005 10:34:19 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Names Ash Housewares

The Cold War was a world war. It lasted for decades and millions were killed (when communists stifled dissidents, alone).

Phsyical battles were fought (in Korea, Vietnam, and elsewhere) and near nuclear exchanges occurred several times (NOT because of Reagan, and some that we are only now learning about, the Cuban Missile Crisis was not the only near flashpoint).

There were those on the left who said that we needed to learn to co-exist with the Soviet Union, and there were some (like Jane Fonda) who preached to us that we should all learn to enjoy communism. The multiculturalists are dead set against the Western World as it stood. The left embraces horrible ideas at their own peril.

I would not look to Europe for the answer. Only a few nations got it right in WWII and the whole world almost suffered then too.

This is another Crusades. Does not meant that it needs to be fought as long but Islamofascism has no part in the modern world anymore than the political/genetic philosophy of Nazism.

Islam itself can only be permitted to exist in this world if its followers can be made to accept the FACT that all people are permitted to live in this world, that we are ALL equal (not 3 classes of people under LAW, muslims, Christians/Jew, and "everybody else"). Muslims claim that the Islamofascists are "not real muslims". Fine, then stand resolutely with us in RIDDING THE WORLD of such murderous scum. If muslims are remaining quiet against such outlaw mosques and clerics out of fear, then they have already surrendered to the Islamofascists and in my mind that makes it legitimate to throw out the baby with the bath water. What if the "baby" is a crocodile? You want that chewing your hand off?


20 posted on 07/24/2005 10:35:03 AM PDT by weegee (The blame on Plame is mainly that it's lame . . . - END THE ROVEBAITING NOW!)
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To: teacherwoes

Well of course, that too. How silly of me to have forgotten.


21 posted on 07/24/2005 10:35:17 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: mercy
Some one needs to send this out to the major ping lists. It deserves to be part of the readilly available FR archives.

Thanks, mercy. If I knew how, I would. I did just finish pinging some FR folks I know.

22 posted on 07/24/2005 10:35:25 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Not only do I see us in WW3, but this country is is the fight for its life.


23 posted on 07/24/2005 10:37:11 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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Note too that while in WWII, the Japanese and Germans both preached racial superiority (like the muslims do), it did not take killing every last Japanese or citizen or soldier to bring peace to the world.

And those nations are not hot beds of violent extremism today (relative to their warmongering past).


24 posted on 07/24/2005 10:37:29 AM PDT by weegee (The blame on Plame is mainly that it's lame . . . - END THE ROVEBAITING NOW!)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
...and hopefully, understand what we are up against.

Thanks, Rushmore Rocks. That's the point of this thread. To try to help people see the massive scope of what we're all up against. This is not just an Israeli-Palestinian problem. It never was.

25 posted on 07/24/2005 10:37:53 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

I'd really like to have this list. Anyway you could get it into PDF form and have it available on a website?


26 posted on 07/24/2005 10:38:05 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: Wolfstar
What can we do?

Aheckofallotmore.

Bump and referenced for future use!

27 posted on 07/24/2005 10:39:10 AM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: weegee
This is another Crusades. Does not meant that it needs to be fought as long but Islamofascism has no part in the modern world anymore than the political/genetic philosophy of Nazism.

Extremely well stated, weegee. The particular point that I quoted above should be shouted from every rooftop.

28 posted on 07/24/2005 10:40:46 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Excellent Piece. To which, I would like to add this rather long piece:

What the press and most liberals don't understand is that when they begin to apply moral equivalance tests to terrorism...justifying it for whatever reason, they make it justifiable far any reason. When Ken Livingstone (Mayor of London) says it's OK for the Palenstinians to use suicide bombers (for whatever perverted reasoning) against Israel, he makes it acceptable to use them in London. Amazingly, both he, the press and other liberals can't see that simply by asking, "aren't your (US/Brit) policies responsible for the attacks on London and Madrid, etc?"..that they are giving further justification for more attacks.

If the Iraq war is responsible for this terrorism, what was responsible for 9/11...or the USS Cole...or the Millenium plot? Using Liberal-Logic, Bill Clinton would be responsible for those attacks since he not only attacked Iraq, he also attacked Afghanistan and Sudan, resulting in a direct declaration of war from Bin-Laden, himself. But wait....weren't those attacks retribution for the attacks on the US Embassies in Africa? What liberals are essentially telling us is that we can't defend ourselves for fear of what the terrorists might do. And make no mistake about it; if it wasn't Iraq, Afghanistan would've sufficed on its own, as Clinton's 1998 bombing proved. Those who don't think there would've been any reprecussion from displacing AQ and the Taliban, are naive. Sadly, If liberals want, they can continue to make excuses for terrorism all the way back to our initial support of Israel....and earlier.

Unfortunately, Islamic terrorism existed long before Israel even came into existence. What's disgusting about the Left and their excuses for Muslim anger is that they have no historical perspective about these so-called grievances. Islam's anger with the West didn't just start in the last century...and it certainly didn't have anything to do with oil, or even Israel, for that matter. From its founding, Islam has been an expansionist ideology. For all the whining we hear about the humiliation they suffered over their deconstructed Ottoman Empire, it was they who helped perpetuate its collapse.

The Ottoman empire was in shambles to begin with because of tribal warfare...but to make things worse, it was the Ottoman Turks who decided it was in their interest to side with Germany in WWI. What became of their empire was no different than what became of the empires of Germany and Austria/Hungary, as those empires were also carved up because of their aggression. If we were to extend liberal-logic further, one could say that Hitler actually had some justifications for his acts prior to WWI since the Treaty of Versailles was extremely punitive on Germany. But I guarantee you won't hear a liberal defending Hitler.

Ironically, with all the excuses given for Islam's hatred of the West and especially the USA, it was the USA who led the way in arguing for Arab independence following WWII; and for all of Europe's consternation of US imperialism infringing on the Mid-East, it was Europe who helped create the very divisions that exists today. From the Balfour Declaration to various partition plans, Europe was the center for Mid-East reorganization. While the League of Nations and the victors of WWI did take special interest in the crumbling Ottoman Empire, instituting mandates to be governed by Britain and France, the Muslims of this region have no one to blame but themselves. This was a group of people who were engaged in the worst holocaust against indigenous people outside of that which occurred in Germany during WWII.

From the Christian Assyrians to the Armenians to the Greeks, Slavs and Jews...Muslims had been ethnically cleansing what was Asia Minor of non-Muslims for centuries. As this threat continued to encroach further into the "soft underbelly of Europe," the victors of WWI finally decided it was time to put a stop to this 2nd Jihad, which had not only killed millions of people, but was continuing to threaten Europe...again. And I say again, because Islam had been attempting its conquest of Europe since their first incursions into S.France from as early as 732...to their eventual sacking of Byzantine in 1453. What Muslims (and liberals) seem to forget about The Crusades, is that they were a reaction to Islam's expansion into Christian Holy Land...reaching into the Balkans and threatening France and Spain.

Yes, Muslims can bitch and moan, and play the perpetual victim of so-called European colonization...and Leftists can defend them and help make excuses for their hatred and anger to help ease their guilt; but remember, that it was Islam who initiated this reaction by their own aggressions that went unchecked for centuries...including their further alliances with Hitler in WWII. Ironically, one of these alliances was that of the Albanian Muslims with Hitler, who, after annexing Kosovo to be part of the Albanian/Axis puppet state, allowed Muslims to commit gross artrocities against other indigenous people of the region...including murdering and driving the Serbs out of Kosovo. As a result of this alliance, Muslims were allowed to further perpetuate their dominance in this region, which has continued in conflict until today.

Islam is a religion, that within its first 100 years, conquered more land and people than the Romans did in their storied history.   Amazingly, liberals seem to only have a short historical memory when it comes aggression and retribution. Even today...far away from the Mid-East, Muslims are at war (and have been) with other indigenous people (and Christians) in regions such as Indonesia, Sudan, Philippines, Somalia, Chechnya, the Balkans...and now London, etc. The question isn't what "our" policies have done to incite such hatred and anger; it's what has Islam done to inspire this hatred and anger...a belief that the World is theirs for the taking.   What's worse, is the liberal attitude that looks to jusitfy this ideology by searching for "root-causes"...while ignoring this history.

And here's some irony about Islam's hatred for the Great Satan. For all the abuse America takes from these ingrates, it was America who led the way in pressuring Europe to recognize Arab independence after WWII. The Atlantic Charter, which proposed giving power to the people to determine their own governments was one of the first steps in moving the Mid-East away from their former mandates and colonial heritage "started by Europe." It was Europe...and even the UN, who were the major architects in planning the fate of Mid-East statehood even after WWII. Sadly, todays liberal-socialists who are governing Europe, continue to operate under this misplaced guilt, that they must give special accomodation and reconpence to Muslims for Europe's past behaviour; unfortunately, they also continue to ignore Islam's past behaviour...at their own peril. Liberal guilt is literally digging their/our graves.

The irony here, is that unlike Europe, it was America who recognized Egypt's right to nationalize the Suez Canal...despite the fact that both France and Britain had purchased those rights earlier and financed its construction. The same can be said for the oil production in these lands, which were also expropriated after Western nations invested millions of dollars in these infrastructures and technology...since these people didn't have the skill to do it. Sure, America also had it's own interest in this region, but those interests only became relevant when, again, some Muslim nations decided to side with the enemies of humanity (USSR) during the Cold War. We don't have to steal someones oil since we are more than willing to pay for it. For all Islam's complaints about oppression, it has been their leaders that have sided with some of the worst tyrants throughout history.

From the Muslim secessionist movement in India (Pakistan) to financial and military aid during the Cold War and support in the Gulf War, Americans have naively stood with Muslims and defended them against aggressor nations and persons. In our own naivety and ignorance, we have even supported Muslims against Christians, whether it was the Muslim secessionist movement in Kosovo and the Balkans...or stopping such Christian movements from occurring in Indonesia/East Timor. Heck, after a decade of complete appeasement, with financial and military aid going to Muslim governments that we knew were also committing atrocities against minority populations (Turkey, Albania/Balkans and Indonesia)...we still got attacked on 9/11.

While Muslims like to lament the further division of their territories following the World Wars, many of these partition plans were actually necessary to thwart continuing tribal and religious differences. The truth is, Muslims not only have a problem living among non-Muslims...they have a problem living among themselves. One of the reasons for the creation of these artifical boundaries in the Mid-East, was to protect Muslims from other Muslims...ala, the Sunnis and Shi'ites. One of the biggest hoaxes perpetrated by the Left is their reporting of Israeli violence against the Palestinians, when their own Arab brethren have committed far worse atrocities against them...and vica-versa. The number-one killer of Muslims, are Muslims...with Saddam right up there at the top.

From a historical perspective, America has a very short history with the Mid-East. And on many of those occasions, this relationship was one of support...whether it was our leadership in their independence, support for them against Soviet encroachment and aggression...or even against other Muslims like Saddam. Yet, today, we are not only called the Great Satan by these same people, we are blamed for the origins of much of these problems by those who were the original architects....Europe. The fact that the Left has not only re-wrote the history books but has perpetuated this lie in defense of terrorism makes these people as dangerous as those who are attacking us.


29 posted on 07/24/2005 10:42:34 AM PDT by cwb (Liberal guilt is digging our graves.)
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To: mariabush
Not only do I see us in WW3, but this country is is the fight for its life.

Agreed. I would just widen the scope to say Western civilization is in the fight of its life, in some respects equal to that of WWII.

30 posted on 07/24/2005 10:43:32 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar
Very true they are inter connected and basically it is the Muslims wishing to reassert themselves as the major religion in the world in fact worse than that the only. We are infidels to them end of story and we cannot negotiate with them there is no basic tenant of acceptance by them to our way of life.
31 posted on 07/24/2005 10:45:01 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: mercy

Unfortunately, I don't have my own website. The best I could do is email you the HTML. Let me know via FReepmail if you want to do it that way.


32 posted on 07/24/2005 10:45:18 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Stop giving them propoganda talking points.

You'll just get them mad at us.

Your post just endangered us and threatened our way of life.


Do I really need to show my "/sarcasm" tag on this?

I hope not.


33 posted on 07/24/2005 10:46:10 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Those who do are more likely to do so than those that don't.)
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To: kAcknor
Aheckofallotmore.

Yes, indeed. A heck of a lot. God help us if the day should ever come when the Islamofreaks get their hands on nuclear weapons.

34 posted on 07/24/2005 10:46:51 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar
Excellent list, Wolfstar...........and understood as representative.

The full scope of this war against civilization is almost overwhelming.

Thanks for all the work that went into this. Bookmarked for future reference (and for use a club to use against any numskull who tries to say that ANY terrorism is our President's fault).

35 posted on 07/24/2005 10:47:27 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: snugs; MadIvan
We are infidels to them end of story and we cannot negotiate with them there is no basic tenant of acceptance by them to our way of life.

You're so very right, snugs. I hope all Brits come to quickly realize what you and Ivan have known all along.

36 posted on 07/24/2005 10:50:19 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Do I really need to show my "/sarcasm" tag on this?

Grin...of course not.

37 posted on 07/24/2005 10:51:19 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar
Unfortunately, I don't have my own website.

You can set one up for free here.

38 posted on 07/24/2005 10:51:44 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Wolfstar

Everyone got focused on the world ushering in a new millenium (actually such perspective comes from honoring the birth of Christ). We "could" have ushered in a new era where past differences were set aside but the only muslim movement that I am aware of (the movement that changes lives) saw fit to flex their muscle and destroy all other cultures.

Remember that in early 2001, the Taliban blew up ancient Buddhist statues because they were offended by them.

If they can't play nice, they will at least get a timeout or harsher punishment.

I know of Christians coming to aid around the world. When was the last major outpouring of assistance from muslim nations to non-muslim nations?


39 posted on 07/24/2005 10:52:06 AM PDT by weegee (The blame on Plame is mainly that it's lame . . . - END THE ROVEBAITING NOW!)
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To: Wolfstar
We need to pressure the federal government to recreate the Civil Defense Corps, complete with coast watchers, border watchers, and people who are trained to help keep an eye on major facilities in their communities

Good as your idea might be, good luck, in view the way the federal government is already treating the Minutemen.

If we win the war on terrorism, especially with civilian help, the Feds will not feel wanted/needed and therefore it isn't going to happen. They need war/chaos to justify their existence.

40 posted on 07/24/2005 10:53:46 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: ohioWfan; snugs; MadIvan; ozbushkin
...(and for use as club against any numbskull who tries to say that ANY terrorism is our President's fault).

Thanks OWF. That's one of the BIG points of this list. I was motivated to do it by the absolutely insulting questions British PM Tony Blair had to endure the other day, and by the superb, very brave answer by Australian PM John Howard.

41 posted on 07/24/2005 10:55:21 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: JCEccles

Thanks for the link. I'll look into it.


42 posted on 07/24/2005 10:56:16 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Nice work there, kiddo. You write well. It is much appreciated.


43 posted on 07/24/2005 11:01:13 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Wolfstar

We know that radical muslims would not hestitate to use nuclear weapons (their mass murder of innocents on 9-11 has shown us that). I have little doubt that our own leaders WOULD hesitate to use such weapons even after an attack.


44 posted on 07/24/2005 11:02:26 AM PDT by weegee (The blame on Plame is mainly that it's lame . . . - END THE ROVEBAITING NOW!)
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To: Wolfstar

Not one of these attacks was done by a blue-haired senior lady from Iowa....but NY is going to check only her packages.


45 posted on 07/24/2005 11:02:33 AM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: cwb
Islam's anger with the West didn't just start in the last century...and it certainly didn't have anything to do with oil, or even Israel, for that matter.

Brilliant analysis, CWB. Thanks for posting it on this thread. Your statement I quoted above is critical. For far too long, we have lulled ourselves into complacency by thinking it's a war only between Israel and the "Palestinians." Even a few early responses on this thread fell into that trap.

However, as you so correctly point out, this is a much older, much more insidious war waged by those who adhere to an expansionist ideology.

46 posted on 07/24/2005 11:03:51 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar
...we need to stop seeing terrorist attacks as independent crimes. We need to stop fooling ourselves that any action on our part caused any of these attacks. Rather, we need to see them as operations in one long, sustained, worldwide campaign by jihadists against the "infidel." And we need to help educate other Americans to the peril we all face. The purpose of this list is to help us begin to do so.

I couldn't agree more.

And the next time one of us hears a leftist say or write that the war in Iraq has made other country's more vulnterable to terrorist attacks, we should write/call and remind them of Prime Minister Howard's words the other day:

Can I just say very directly, Paul, on the issue of the policies of my government and indeed the policies of the British and American governments on Iraq, that the first point of reference is that once a country allows its foreign policy to be determined by terrorism, it's given the game away, to use the vernacular. And no Australian government that I lead will ever have policies determined by terrorism or terrorist threats, and no self-respecting government of any political stripe in Australia would allow that to happen.

Can I remind you that the murder of 88 Australians in Bali took place before the operation in Iraq.

And I remind you that the 11th of September occurred before the operation in Iraq.

Can I also remind you that the very first occasion that bin Laden specifically referred to Australia was in the context of Australia's involvement in liberating the people of East Timor. Are people by implication suggesting we shouldn't have done that?

When a group claimed responsibility on the website for the attacks on the 7th of July, they talked about British policy not just in Iraq, but in Afghanistan. Are people suggesting we shouldn't be in Afghanistan?

When Sergio de Mello was murdered in Iraq -- a brave man, a distinguished international diplomat, a person immensely respected for his work in the United Nations -- when al Qaeda gloated about that, they referred specifically to the role that de Mello had carried out in East Timor because he was the United Nations administrator in East Timor.

Now I don't know the mind of the terrorists. By definition, you can't put yourself in the mind of a successful suicide bomber. I can only look at objective facts, and the objective facts are as I've cited. The objective evidence is that Australia was a terrorist target long before the operation in Iraq. And indeed, all the evidence, as distinct from the suppositions, suggests to me that this is about hatred of a way of life, this is about the perverted use of principles of the great world religion that, at its root, preaches peace and cooperation. And I think we lose sight of the challenge we have if we allow ourselves to see these attacks in the context of particular circumstances rather than the abuse through a perverted ideology of people and their murder.

47 posted on 07/24/2005 11:04:04 AM PDT by Peach
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To: cwb

There is no liberal logic. Only lies to push through an agenda.


48 posted on 07/24/2005 11:04:09 AM PDT by weegee (The blame on Plame is mainly that it's lame . . . - END THE ROVEBAITING NOW!)
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To: Wolfstar; ozbushkin
Aussie PM John Howard did us proud I was Tony Blair had been less PC though. This supposed talking with Islamic groups is not going to help one little bit.
49 posted on 07/24/2005 11:04:41 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: varon

If there is no pressure from the public to recreate the Civil Defense Corps (by whatever name), the government certainly won't do anything to involve the public.


50 posted on 07/24/2005 11:05:43 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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