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Largest Union Decides to Bolt AFL-CIO
AP ^ | July 24, 2005 | RON FOURNIER

Posted on 07/24/2005 5:27:37 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

The AFL-CIO succumbed to division Sunday, with its largest union deciding to bolt the 50-year-old federation and three others poised to do so in a dispute over how to reverse organized labor's long slide.

The four unions, representing nearly one-third of the AFL-CIO's 13 million members, announced they were boycotting the federation's convention that begins Monday, a step that was widely considered to be a precursor to leaving the federation.

They are part of the Coalition to Win, a group of seven unions vowing to reform and modernize the labor movement — outside the AFL-CIO if necessary. But many union presidents, labor experts and Democratic Party leaders fear the split will weaken the movement politically and hurt unionized workers who need a united and powerful ally against business interests and global competition.

The Service Employees International Union, with 1.8 million members, plans to announce Monday that it is leaving the AFL-CIO, said several labor officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the developments.

The Teamsters union was likely to disaffiliate at the same news conference, they said. Two other boycotting unions signaled similar intentions: United Food and Commercial Workers and UNITE HERE, a group of textile and hotel workers.

"Our differences are so fundamental and so principled that at this point I don't think there is a chance there will be a change of course," said UFCW President Joe Hansen.

Without directly saying so, coalition leaders seemed to be establishing the group as a newly minted rival of the AFL-CIO. "Today will be remembered as a rebirth of union strength in America," coalition chairwoman Anna Burger said.

AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, expected to easily win re-election over the objections of the dissidents, suggested the dissidents were spoiled sports, leaving after their demands were not met.

"It's a shame for working people that before the first vote has been cast, four unions have decided that if they can't win, they won't show up for the game," Sweeney said. The rhetoric was unusually personal, in part because dissident leader Andy Stern of the SEIU is a former protege of Sweeney's.

Gerald McEntee, president of a government employees' union with more than 1 million members, accused his boycotting colleagues of aiding labor's political foes. "The only people who happy about this are President Bush and his crowd," he said.

Rank-and-file members of the 52 non-boycotting AFL-CIO affiliates expressed confusion and anger over the action. "If there was ever a time we workers need to stick together, it's today," said Olegario Bustamante, a steelworker from Cicero, Ill.

The boycott means the unions will not pay $7 million in back dues to the AFL-CIO on Monday. If all four boycotting unions quit the federation, they would take about $35 million from the AFL-CIO, which has already been forced to layoff a quarter of its 400-person staff.

Two other unions that are part of the Change to Win Coalition did not plan to leave the Chicago convention: the Laborers International Union of North America and the United Farm Workers. They are the least likely of the coalition members to leave the AFL-CIO, though the Laborers show signs of edging that way, officials said.

The United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America, the seventh member of the coalition, left the AFL-CIO in 2002.

Leaders of the dissident unions say the AFL-CIO leadership has failed to stop the steep decline in union membership. In addition to seeking the ouster of Sweeney, they have demanded more money for organizing, power to force mergers of smaller unions and other changes they say are key to adapting to vast changes in society and the economy.

Globalization, automation and the transition from an industrial-based economy have forced hundreds of thousands of unionized workers out of jobs, weakening labor's role in the workplace.

When the AFL-CIO formed 50 years ago, union membership was at its zenith with one of every three private-sector workers belonging to a labor group. Now, less than 8 percent of private-sector workers are unionized.

The dissidents largely represent workers in retail and service sectors, the heart of the emerging new U.S. economy. Sweeney's allies are primarily industrial unions whose workers are facing the brunt of global economic shifts.

A divided labor movement worries Democratic leaders who rely on the AFL-CIO's money and manpower on Election Day.

"Anything that sidetracks us from our goals ... is not healthy," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., chairman of the House campaign committee.

In the 2004 campaign, unions ran nearly 260 phone banks and mailed out at least 30 million pieces of political literature in 16 states, mostly on behalf of Democrats.

Experts said the split might deepen labor's woes.

"Employer opposition to organizing might increase and I think that political opponents might feel emboldened, because they would see it as a sign of weakness," said Gary Chaison, industrial relations professor at Clark University in Worcester, Mass.

Others said competition might be good for the labor movement.


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1 posted on 07/24/2005 5:27:37 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

Hopefully this is only the first step towards destroying all unions. Once, long ago, unions might have a had a legitimate purpose, but no longer. Good Riddance!


2 posted on 07/24/2005 5:32:52 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: txnativegop
"Once, long ago, unions might have a had a legitimate purpose, but no longer."

There was never a legitimate purpose.

3 posted on 07/24/2005 5:33:59 PM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: West Coast Conservative
Gerald McEntee, president of a government employees' union with more than 1 million members, accused his boycotting colleagues of aiding labor's political foes. "The only people who happy about this are President Bush and his crowd," he said.

So many things wrong with this sentence it's hard to decide where to start.

4 posted on 07/24/2005 5:37:24 PM PDT by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you will have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Soon "organized" labor under the AFL-CIO will be only government employees unions. The laborers are so mobbed up they may as well be considered government employees.

After the rat party finally melts down at the polls, they and what remains of "organized" labor will form the base of the American Labour party.
5 posted on 07/24/2005 5:38:01 PM PDT by mmercier (it is coming you know.)
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To: txnativegop

The predator-prey relationship is important in maintaining balance in the system.
Also the Chinese are going to be pissed, when no one is left to buy their crap.


6 posted on 07/24/2005 5:41:48 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Understand completely. These unions would extort cash from members and the leaders, after skimming some for their own selfs, would turn the balanabce over to the AFL-CIO for delivery to the dems. But, the AFL-CIO leaders would skim some of the cash for their own selfs before turning it over to the DNC leaders who would skim a little off the top for their own selfs and for "black" projects.

These unions believe they can turn over more extorted cash to the DNC directly without the AFL-CIO. The answer clearly is to double union dues!!

7 posted on 07/24/2005 5:51:07 PM PDT by Tacis ("Democrats - The Party of Traitors, Treachery and Treason!")
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Well, at least we have the honorable, high-principled National Education Association to lead the labor movement in the 21st century, showing everyone what quality work is inspired by union membership.


8 posted on 07/24/2005 5:52:34 PM PDT by ReadyNow
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To: West Coast Conservative
""Today will be remembered as a rebirth of union strength in America," coalition chairwoman Anna Burger said.

If she was my daughter, I would have named her Anita Burger.
My real name is Ivan Awfulitch

9 posted on 07/24/2005 5:53:14 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: West Coast Conservative

I'm glad to see this happen. I'm a past chapter president of an SEIU local. This was back in the days when the SEIU was a nuts and bolts, bread and butter union, before they decided that 'social justice' trumped the interests of the members.

They ran off the old time business reps about 13 years ago and replaced them with a bunch of commie fellow travelers. If you want a union obsessed with gay rights, benefits for illegal aliens, reparations and all the rest of the left's touch stones, the SEIU is your kind of place. They are now in a very friendly relationship with ANSWER and the anti-war left.

BTW, these articles seldom mention it, but Sweeney is the past president of SEIU. Stern learned all his double dealing from him. Hopefully they will destroy each other.


10 posted on 07/24/2005 5:53:17 PM PDT by telebob
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To: txnativegop

Hopefully this is only the first step towards destroying all unions.
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Let us hope so. They have become simply vehicles of corporate extortion, run by thugs for thugs. And as long as corporate America panders to them the more we will suffer -- just look at GM just for openers...


11 posted on 07/24/2005 5:57:01 PM PDT by EagleUSA (S)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Some of these unions have been blindly supporting the Democrats and the AFL-CIO -- putting millions into campaigns.

They have been on the losing end too long -- I hope the Republicans and President Bush tries to help them, and help their union. The Democrats have not been helping them in the past -- only hurting them...

12 posted on 07/24/2005 6:00:24 PM PDT by topher (God bless our troops and protect them)
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To: txnativegop

I don't think unions are entirely bad, but I hope this brings the country a lot closer to a time when the Democrat party and its powerful Left-wing coalition will become extinct. If there's a political party that the country certainly doesn't need right now (besides Communists, Social Democrats, and Nazis), it's the Democrats.


13 posted on 07/24/2005 6:05:14 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: telebob

Excellent post telebob! You are dead spot on and then some. The SEIU is a Communist organization plain, simple and a matter of fact. George Meany would have kicked the snot out of these pinkos. Not that Unions have always been on the right side of things but they had always been loyal Americans.


14 posted on 07/24/2005 6:07:13 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: topher

Maybe some of the men and women saw the deals made by Sweeny and Mccauliffe with Global Crossings. They jumped ship and made money while pension funds were left in it and it screwed over the members. The union leaders need a
wake up call, lower perks and pay. The membership needs to
give the union an enema. Flush the crap out ASAP.


15 posted on 07/24/2005 6:10:10 PM PDT by oldironsides
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To: West Coast Conservative
When the AFL-CIO formed 50 years ago, union membership was at its zenith with one of every three private-sector workers belonging to a labor group. Now, less than 8 percent of private-sector workers are unionized.

Ok here is the bottom line. Young Americans do not like joining Unions. They don't like being told what to do by anyone but they will accept it from the guy who hands them their paycheck. They will not accept it from some dude that wants them to pay protection money.

That is why Union membership is shrinking and partly why manufacturing jobs are going away. When you are unable to hire young workers because you can only hire Union members and over half your work force is on the shady side of fifty you know that you are looking at a serious problem in the making.

This is also why unions are not against immigration illegal or otherwise. That is where their new members are coming from.

16 posted on 07/24/2005 6:10:51 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The GM brake replacement parts I bought at AutoZone for my Pontiac GrandAm had stenciled across the box in huge letters MADE IN CHINA.


17 posted on 07/24/2005 6:13:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors. Don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: Neanderthal
"Once, long ago, unions might have a had a legitimate purpose, but no longer."

--- txnativegop

There was never a legitimate purpose.

--- Neanderthal

These kids might have disagreed:


18 posted on 07/24/2005 6:16:54 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant
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To: telebob
Glad to see that you made it out.
I was involved in the CWA before they had to answer to the International party on everything.

Basically, International=Socialist Agenda to change America from Capitalism, and every national union that answers to an International party has to toe the line.

Or, as I used to say:

"I used to be a union democrat when they were the party of the working man."

"Now they are the party of the man who doesn't work."

19 posted on 07/24/2005 6:19:51 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Semi Civil Servant

A common misconception is that unions changed those things, rather than riding the wave of change.

Those things were changed by socially active Americans from all walks of life who didn't care one whit for union thuggery. - Not that all unions were crooks, but that's the way it went.


20 posted on 07/24/2005 6:24:18 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Semi Civil Servant

Child labor was cracked down on years before the unions came to power. It was the voters that stopped it. Not some union thugs.


21 posted on 07/24/2005 6:34:02 PM PDT by LenS
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To: West Coast Conservative

I wonder if some of these unions want to go back to the roots of what unionization is all about and forget the political nonsense? There are plenty of union people who strongly disagree with the Democrat Party's goal of bringing European-style secular socialism to America.


22 posted on 07/24/2005 6:38:25 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: West Coast Conservative
"Leaders of the dissident unions say the AFL-CIO leadership has failed to stop the steep decline in union membership."

Have they considered not murdering their members?

23 posted on 07/24/2005 6:44:04 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Semi Civil Servant
I was born in 1946. Everyone in our family, including the 7 kids, picked and hoed (sp?) cotton, as well as picking peaches, cherries, oranges, and any other type of labor for food, shelter, and other necessities of life.

Not once did we ever assume, or request, that some union guy would, should, or could "rescue" us from that honest work.

We gradually stopped doing that kind of work when better paying work came along, but we supplemented even that with summer migrant worker type jobs.

As far as the government employee unions, in my experience, they are nothing but cover organizations for the incompetent, "I'm a victim" employees enjoying taxpayer funded jobs/benefits, without either appreciating their jobs, nor providing good service to their customers, the American public.

Firing an incompetent Civil Servant is an exercise in futility that few American taxpayers could even remotely understand. But I do think they understand that the "union protections" for federal employees are not there to "improve the service, or the civility" of those employees.

I applauded President Reagan's action to fire the Federal Aircraft Controllers who went on strike. I wonder if you did, or would have?
24 posted on 07/24/2005 6:44:54 PM PDT by Col Freeper (Never argue with an idiot - - it's a useless activity and the leftist just enjoys it.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I wonder if some of this split might have to do with Sweeney being a socialist.


25 posted on 07/24/2005 6:47:31 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Graham Petrie, 1911 - 2005. Rest in Peace.)
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To: Neanderthal

Oh sure.. child labor.. factories that could be compared with death camps.

Sure the power of the unions were never needed.

And George Washington was a puppet of France.


26 posted on 07/24/2005 6:47:43 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: txnativegop

Well, I am not ready to say all unions are bad. I think what you have here is the pendulum effect. Before unions (many years ago) employers were notorious for abusing workers and taking advantage of them to the nth degree. But, as unions became ever more powerful, it is in fact many of them that are now sticking it to employers as bad or worse as the employers ever did before unions existed. It may be to the point where they are destroying the goose that laid the golden egg.


27 posted on 07/24/2005 7:00:45 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Neanderthal
There was never a legitimate purpose.

I am not sure I would go that far. Do some research on how employees were treated before unions. It is unfortunate that unions have in many cases become as corrupt as employers ever were.

28 posted on 07/24/2005 7:02:21 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Semi Civil Servant

Get kids off the streets and back into the coal mines and fields where they belong!


29 posted on 07/24/2005 7:05:01 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: bill1952
"Glad to see that you made it out.

When I had the opportunity to go into management I jumped at the chance. I was glad to get out after seeing the changes that had occurred: The people I respected fired when they complained about the gross corruption of the top cats, the takeover of the political arm by hard lefties and the steady drop in competence of just the day to day nuts and bolts work.

When even the friggin' unpaid trustees have credit cards and expense accounts, you know a union has become just a collection of bottom feeders.

30 posted on 07/24/2005 7:15:04 PM PDT by telebob
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To: durasell

Or at least into the fast-food restaurants at minimum-wage jobs, where they could develop the skills and discipline needed to succeed in the business world, if the minimum wage didn't keep rising and illegal immigrants weren't pushing them out of the entry-level job market.


31 posted on 07/24/2005 7:23:59 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

I say send them to Third World Countries to hunt out land mines with a pointy stick!


32 posted on 07/24/2005 7:26:41 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Lancey Howard

""Anything that sidetracks us from our goals ... is not healthy," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., chairman of the House campaign committee."

Look, a Democrat politican saying this act is going to sidetrack them from their goals. These union members are slaves to the democrats. It's time to break the chains, keep your money and tell the demonrats to go to hell.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


33 posted on 07/24/2005 7:35:10 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (Visit the Jefferson Republic for a conservative news portal.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

"Today will be remembered as a rebirth of union strength in America,"

I agree with this statement. First, competition always makes you better. Now there are two coalitions competing.

Second, the old union agenda was driven by the public employees union which always wanted more taxes (more money to pay public employees) and more govt. programs (more public employees to be in the union).

Problem is, more taxes and more govt. regulations tend to kill private sector jobs which is really bad for unions working in the private sector.

Unions that work for the private sector employee may have a shot at growing and even being beneficial.

The current union movement is aimed at only 1 goal, more public sector employees and higher public sector pay.


34 posted on 07/24/2005 7:51:38 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: West Coast Conservative
they would take about $35 million from the AFL-CIO, which has already been forced to layoff a quarter of its 400-person staff.

I think Michael Moore should make a movie about this.

35 posted on 07/24/2005 7:53:30 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: West Coast Conservative; Luis Gonzalez; JohnHuang2; rdb3; mhking; Trueblackman; BlkConserv; ...
"The Service Employees International Union, with 1.8 million members, plans to announce Monday that it is leaving the AFL-CIO...
The Teamsters union was likely to disaffiliate at the same news conference, they said. Two other boycotting unions signaled similar intentions: United Food and Commercial Workers and UNITE HERE, a group of textile and hotel workers."

Tomorrow's union break-up announcements are the start of the Great Split between public and private unions.

In brief, carpenters in the SEIU and Teamster dockworkers have no common ground with the anarchists who burn down houses or with the greens who want to stop all new home construction as being "urban sprawl."

36 posted on 07/24/2005 8:05:25 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Doohickey

"Gerald McEntee, president of a government employees' union with more than 1 million members, accused his boycotting colleagues of aiding labor's political foes. "The only people who happy about this are President Bush and his crowd," he said."

Until the leadership of Unions come to their senses (unlikely) and begin cease to be nothing more than Dem. lapdogs and mouthpieces they will continue to see this abandonement.


37 posted on 07/24/2005 8:15:03 PM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: Col Freeper
As far as the government employee unions, in my experience, they are nothing but cover organizations for the incompetent, "I'm a victim" employees enjoying taxpayer funded jobs/benefits, without either appreciating their jobs, nor providing good service to their customers, the American public.

I belonged to only one union in my life (Communications Workers of America), against my will, for a couple of years in the 70's. I dislike unions, but I also understand there was a time and place when many workers were treated like chattel. Whether or not we like today's version of the union, unions once had a part to play in the humanizing of the workplace.

I applauded President Reagan's action to fire the Federal Aircraft Controllers who went on strike. I wonder if you did, or would have?

As a matter of fact, I also applauded President Reagan's decision to fire the air traffic controllers when they arrogantly and illegally went on strike.

I've had about 10 careers; only one involved working for a state government. In my experience, the majority of lower level government workers were not much different from those I worked with in the private sector. In my state, it was quite possible to fire a worker, although there were certainly people who should have been fired who weren't. The real problems in the agency where I worked were created at top. The incompetence was breath taking.

39 posted on 07/24/2005 9:08:56 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant
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To: txnativegop

I don't think it destroys unions. I go with

"Others said competition might be good for the labor movement."

AFL-CIO was following a failed strategy of becoming an arm of the Democrats and putting political agendas ahead of interests of workers.

The unions that split off will be more successful, while AFLCIO continues its decline.

This is good for Republicans politically, because the Democrats leg-workers will be less focussed on the Dems.

JMHO, I'm speculating.


40 posted on 07/24/2005 9:20:23 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberalism is wrong, it's just the Liberals don't know it yet.)
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To: Almondjoy

"Oh sure.. child labor.. factories that could be compared with death camps. "

Dick Durbin, is that you? :-)


Really, death camp analogies are best reserved for ... ahem, real death camps.


41 posted on 07/24/2005 9:24:16 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberalism is wrong, it's just the Liberals don't know it yet.)
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To: durasell

"Get kids off the streets and back into the coal mines and fields where they belong!"


now we spend $8,000 a year to educate kids, and 13 years of that => $100,000 later, many of them have no clue how to work and some can't read too good, er, well.
Ah, the good ol days (that werent so good but built character).

Rename those outdoor berry-picking jobs "alternative environmental work-based education" and you've got yourself
a place for the scamps who are abusing our current educational system. I think if Johnnie realized the alternative was days of hard labor, Johnnie might pay attention alot better in school!


42 posted on 07/24/2005 9:31:11 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberalism is wrong, it's just the Liberals don't know it yet.)
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To: WOSG

Little Johnnie will learn soon enough. There are a lot of teens out there playing video games today who will be cleaning toilets tomorrow.


43 posted on 07/24/2005 9:36:16 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Doohickey

"and his crowd"

That is, the other 85% of us who aren't in unions some of whom are making 75K a year, in some instances, to hail cabs at airports.

(I live in Boston)


44 posted on 07/24/2005 9:43:26 PM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: WOSG
"This is good for Republicans politically, because the Democrats leg-workers will be less focussed on the Dems."

This is an SEIU led revolt. The SEIU is in bed with some of the most radical organizations in America including ANSWER, Code Pink and ACORN. They are leaders in the field of converting their members' money into support for left wing causes and rat politicians.

Don't expect that to change.

45 posted on 07/24/2005 10:02:38 PM PDT by telebob
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To: West Coast Conservative

I had the misfortune to work at a company that was blackmailed into "voluntarily" becoming a Union shop.

I can say from my experiences there that the unions are really fronts for organized crime.

Time for them to be RICO'd out of existence!


46 posted on 07/24/2005 10:21:46 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: txnativegop

"Hopefully this is only the first step towards destroying all unions. Once, long ago, unions might have a had a legitimate purpose, but no longer. Good Riddance!"

Unions are only as good as the leaders running them.


47 posted on 07/25/2005 3:04:01 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Neanderthal

How about coal mines?
http://www.kentlaw.edu/ilhs/earlyday.htm


48 posted on 07/25/2005 3:14:08 AM PDT by Drago
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To: West Coast Conservative

Most of the problems with unions would be solved with right-to-work. The leadership would have to clean up its act, politically as well as financially, or everyone would leave. It is a captive membership that makes the abuses possible.


49 posted on 07/25/2005 3:29:47 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: staytrue
Yep. The exact reverse of what the labor movement needs to do to grow and thrive. Workers need organization to represent them on the job in dealings with employers and to have their working conditions and pay spelled out and to have a grievance procedure where they get a fair hearing before the employer can discipline or fire the employee. Private sector unions did a good job of bringing fairness to the marketplace - and in helping the middle expand by giving everyone a ticket up the ladder to the American Dream. In contrast, public sector unions extort from the economy and diminish our overall freedoms. The AFL-CIO leadership has no interest in bolstering private sector unions. It would erode their base of captive government employees. To talk about reform by ignoring the obvious is putting the horse before the cart.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
50 posted on 07/25/2005 3:33:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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