Police Seek 6 Pakistanis in Egypt Attack

Associated Press via Yahoo! News ^ | 2005 Jul 25 | Sarah El Deeb

[CarrotAndStick]

Sad, isn't it? Every day, moree and more terror acts are being traced back to PAKISTANI madrassas, and yet people come up to support them?

I'm still waiting for Pakistan to prod their nefarious ISI (the same ones who ordered the beheading of Daniel Pearl for having gone to investigate and photograph Jehad camps in Pakistan ) to hand in the head of UBL and his coterie of b@stards. I wonder why it is taking so long! /sarc.

[CarrotAndStick]

If you had followed news lately, India WAS moments away from cleaning up Pakistan. Ever wondered why Powell rushed to New Delhi in late 2002? Did you even know about this?

[SevenMinusOne]

Really, so Irq was just a base, nothing else? It wasn't a threat in the same level as Pakiland (as proved in my post above)?

Iraq is essential to the GWOT (for America) - Saddam was every bit a threat to not only America (but to much of the World) - He was a reckless dictator in the heart of the Middle East, a man who had used WMD's (prior) and had been unwilling to allow inspectors the job of finding out for sure if he was trying to reproduce them.

After Sept 11th, America could no longer sit back and watch Saddam as the gathering threat he was. This was a man who had started two wars, over took Kuwait (unprovoked), had thumbed his nose at over 17 U.N. Resolutions, continually fired missiles at U.S. Aircraft! (an act of war), was a State sponsor of terrorism, and had a long history of Gov't sponsored anti-American actions.

To suggest he wasn't a threat because he didn't have WMD's (or we can't find them) is childish -

We could have searched every INCH of Afghanistan and every INCH of every al Qeade training camp...and we would have NEVER found the weapons al Qeade used to his us.....a passenger jet liner...(let alone an American jet liner)....therefore to suggest that because we haven't found WMD's means Saddam wasn't a threat is intellectually empty!!

al Qeade didn't have WMD's...but would anyone deny they were most certainly a threat! - Of course not!

Saddam was a threat and he was dealt with - India choose not to be part of the coalition of the willing (to make the Middle East a better place) - That is India's choice and you will have to live with it (but don't cry to us now every time you want more help).

Bringing freedom and self worth to the the heart of the Middle East (Iraq) and Afghanistan is the correct path in the GWOT.

A war with Pakistan then (in 2001) was NOT the correct choice. Deal with it.

[SevenMinusOne]

If you had followed news lately, India WAS moments away from cleaning up Pakistan.

Yawn (please) - Yeah, we (America) continue to fight a war in Iraq for 2 years now (a Country with far less people...millions and millions less people) - But India was going to take out Pakistan (clean them up) in short order. (get out of here - India can hardly win a mortar throwing war with Pak rebels).

[SevenMinusOne]

See post 43 -

[CarrotAndStick]

(get out of here - India can hardly win a mortar throwing war with Pak rebels).

Wow! That's a very intelligent assessment. Read up some history.

And I am worried about your usage of the MSM's favourite word 'rebel' for terrorist. Just for the asking, are you Muslim by any chance?

[dc27]

So many terrorist supporting countries, so little time.

Iraq needed to be dealt with.

But Pakistan and Suadi Arabia are two countries sitting on a powder keg of extremists. Both the governments are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Syria and Iran make no bones about their support of terrorism. These two should be next on the list. IMHO

[SevenMinusOne]

I have - You (India) have been on again off again fighting with Pakistan for decades (and more actually) - Where's the result?? -

How was India going to "clean up" Pakistan in 2002 (this time) when they have no history of being able to do it.

Again, to suggest India could clean up Pakistan (in short order without the need of assistance) is a joke.

We (America) continue to fight an extremely successful war in Iraq (yet war is hard, and we have been systematically doing this now for 2 years in Iraq) - Pakistan has millions and millions more people than Iraq - (millions more who won't be supportive of any war there on their behalf...as much of Iraq was to the Coalition).

A War in Pakistan was not a good option for America in 2001 (nor is it today) - Nor would India "clean up" Pakistan in any war (history shows this).

Furthermore go read my post #43 (for additional comments on the subject).

[CarrotAndStick]

India WAS moments away from cleaning up Pakistan.

What, now you have a problem with grammar also? Where did I mention India's war with Pakistan would be short, genius? I said it wouldn't take too long for India to START a war with Pakistan. Being a neighbour to this excuse of a nation, India's military is expected to be prepared for war on short notice.

[SevenMinusOne]

So many terrorist supporting countries, so little time. Iraq needed to be dealt with. But Pakistan and Suadi Arabia are two countries sitting on a powder keg of extremists. Both the governments are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Syria and Iran make no bones about their support of terrorism. These two should be next on the list. IMHO

Agree with everything you said - Another reality of the real world is we can't fight a "war" with every Nation at the same time.

One of the ways we are trying to fight this war (which will take years) is to bring the allies of freedom and self worth into play.

Moving on Saddam and Iraq (after removing the Taliban) was precisely the correct path for the GWOT. Bringing freedom to the heart of the Middle East will strike a huge blow (which is why you see the terrorists fighting so hard - They see the end coming).

[SevenMinusOne]

I said it wouldn't take too long for India to START a war with Pakistan.

Well isn't that great - How would starting a war with Pakistan be helpful at this time (if India couldn't win it without the need of American assistance - Which at this time we aren't completely able to give?)

While there are many within Pakistan that our terrorists or terrorists supporting...the fact is since Sept 11th Musharraf has done about as good a job as we (America) can expect from him. From the leadership of a Gov't perspective (with Pak) That is the bottom line (India doesn't have to like it.....Just like we didn't like that India didn't step up and fight with us in Iraq).

Musharraf is in an extremely difficult situation. That is the reality. Like him or not. Trust him or not (which I don't completely) - But regardless the man is in an extremely difficult position.

Furthermore the border region (where many of al Qeade / taliban hide - going back and forth into Stan) is mostly autonomous from the Pak Gov't (and has been that way for nearly a century).

[CarrotAndStick]

I don't know how good a job Pakistan has done. Neither can you. Only time can tell. Meanwhile...

Britain gives Pakistan list of London bombing suspects

http://p102.news.scd.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050715/wl_uk_afp/britainattackspakistan/nc:732

ISLAMABAD (AFP) - British police have given Pakistan a list of terror suspects with possible links to the London attacks, officials said, as two religious schools denied they had hosted one of the bombers.


Authorities are pursuing information on 22-year-old British suicide attacker Shehzad Tanweer, who reportedly studied at a religious school in Pakistan last year, according to security officials on Friday.

"They provided us with names of certain individuals for information following the London bombing. We are checking the linkages here," a senior security official told AFP.

"We have asked the British government to provide specific information regarding the movement of suspected bombers in Pakistan," added the official, speaking anonymously because of the sensitive nature of the investigation.

Pakistani authorities are also investigating whether Tanweer had links to two militant groups, understood to be Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Taiba, both involved in fighting Indian forces in Kashmir.

Both are known to have ties with Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network.

Jaish is loosely linked with the Jamia Manzoorul Islamia school in the eastern city of Lahore, which denied British press reports that Tanweer had studied there.

"We have no knowledge that anyone with the name of Shehzad Tanweer was enrolled in our madrassa. Our records do not confirm this name," Asadullah Farooq, son of madrassa leader Pir Saifullah Khalid, told AFP.

"The allegation is baseless. We do not entertain foreign students, we only have Pakistani students," he added.

Lashkar-e-Taiba also denied that Tanveer visited a campus formerly linked to the group in Muridke, near Lahore.

"We have checked our records, no one with this name and with British nationality ever stayed there. We do not have a policy of carrying out suicide attacks on civilians," a spokesman for the group told AFP from Lahore.

Lashkar-e-Taiba was blamed for sheltering Al-Qaeda fugitives who fled Afghanistan after the collapse of the hardline Islamic Taliban regime in late 2001.

Security officials said Jaish teamed up with Al-Qaeda to carry out several attacks in Pakistan, including a bombing which killed 11 French engineers in the southern city of Karachi in 2002.

It was also involved with an assassination attempt on Pakistan's military ruler President Pervez Musharraf in December 2003, officials said.

Musharraf telephoned British Prime Minister Tony Blair late Thursday to to pledge his full backing for the inquiry into the bombings, state media reported.

"The President assured the British Prime Minister of Pakistan's fullest support and assistance in the investigation of July 7 terrorist acts in London," the Associated Press of Pakistan reported.

"Prime Minister Blair thanked the President and the Government of Pakistan for their unequivocal support. He appreciated the crucial role Pakistan has played in the international fight against terror," the report said.

Separately, Pakistani investigators said Friday they were questioning a British man arrested on suspicion of ties to terror groups but he has no known links to the London attacks.

Zeeshan Siddique, 25, was arrested on May 18 near the northwestern city of Peshawar after sneaking into Pakistan on fake documents, and is being held at the city's central jail, the officials told AFP.

The New York Times reported Friday that British authorities probing the carnage in London were focusing on Siddique and trying to determine if he had connections to the bombers.

"The suspect has no intelligence value in connection with the London attacks," a senior interior ministry official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

A foreign ministry official also dismissed reports in local newspapers that a team of British police were flying out to Pakistan to interrogate Siddique.

[dc27]

Considering the time it took to clean up Japan and Germany after WWII, things are going quite well in Iraq.

I think the same thing could happen in Iran. There seems to be a large group of people that want a better life.

I don't think you can liberate Pakistan and Syria. They like the 8th century too much.

[Arjun]

You dont understand the abc's of India-Pak situation.

[swarthyguy]

Oh, he does alright.

Point is, the administration is stuck. Having propagated the value of Musharraf as trumping free and fair elections( a double edged sword, granted, but renders US highblown rhetoric about democracy laughable, if not treated contemptuosly), and buying into Musharraf's schtick while ignoring Paki Nuke Proliferation, support for Jihad while proclaiming his value as an ally, we are in stasis, at the mercy of events.

I'm sure that despite the recent lovefest all around, the Indian and Pakistani armies are keeping their powder dry.

But the thing about Musharraf is those damn nine lives. He's wily, clever, plays America as Stradivarius, and has ingratiated himself so well into America that he's considered indispensable.

Now to admit that the entire Paki strategy from 911 onwards was wrong is a huge step. But events will force our actions eventually.

In the meantime, at least India's nuclear alliance with Bush is on track. Considering the howls raised in the American press from both the Left and Right, it's a brilliant geostrategic move, and shows that Bush, despite the hollowness of the democracy rhetoric at times, understands the necessity of the India relationship.

And he's willing to go beyond lip service. Very commendable, that.

[swarthyguy]

Ping.

[thrust]

dude i guess u know there r more than 100,000 pakis in the united states.hope u get the point.

[John Filson]

Thanks for the ping. It's time for the US and the UK to let go of our Cold War commitments and admit it: the Pakistanis are evil incarnate. Oh, and try to find a moderate Pakistani who's pro-American. They're as rare as hen's teeth. Islam has vitrified their brains.