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Why Did So Many People Hate Bill Clinton? An Exchange Among Conservatives
History News Network ^ | July 25, 2005 | By David Horowitz, Paul Gottfried, Larry Schweikart and Gene Kizer

Posted on 07/25/2005 4:35:49 AM PDT by johnny7

In a recent essay in the NYT Book Review of John F. Harris's The Survivor: Bill Clinton in the White House, Alan Ehrenhalt speculated about the reasons Clinton was so disliked. This sparked a rigorous debate on Richard Jensen's list, ConservativeNet. Below, a sampling of opinion.

Alan Ehrenhalt's Review

Millions of Americans despise Bill Clinton. They have done so since he became a presence in national politics in the early 1990's, and they continue to do so today, more than four years after his retirement from public office.

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1 posted on 07/25/2005 4:35:49 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: johnny7

Maybe its because China can now threaten us with our own nuclear arsenal!


2 posted on 07/25/2005 4:38:36 AM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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To: johnny7
I don't hate Slick Willie.

What I hate is what a third rate con-man and his communist wife did to damage the USA internationally, and the damage he did to the Presidency.

3 posted on 07/25/2005 4:39:36 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: johnny7
Some of us don't abide murder.

ML/NJ

4 posted on 07/25/2005 4:40:14 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: johnny7
I for one never hated president Clinton; just felt his presidency was a lost opportunity. The man was afraid to make a tough decision; fear crippled him at times.

Instead of leading and dictating world events he choose to react to them as they occurred.

Too bad; given his abilities he could have been more than mediocre.....IMHO
5 posted on 07/25/2005 4:40:27 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: johnny7

Because he was and is so corrupt. Very simple.


6 posted on 07/25/2005 4:40:59 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl
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To: johnny7

I don't hate the corrupt, disbarred, adulterous, pathologically lying, impeached rapist.


7 posted on 07/25/2005 4:42:35 AM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: johnny7

I guess I do despise him. Mainly because he was such an evil man and his wife is even more evil.


8 posted on 07/25/2005 4:42:48 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: JustaCowgirl

Three words:

Osama Bin Laden.

Three more:

Ruth Bader Ginsburg.


9 posted on 07/25/2005 4:43:15 AM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: johnny7

Make sure to read the commentary down from the article at the source site. It's really good.


10 posted on 07/25/2005 4:44:26 AM PDT by Terabitten (Illegal immigration causes Representation without Taxation.)
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To: johnny7
I don't hate him however he did a great deal of harm to this country. We are in this current war because of his actions while in office and China is now a huge threat rather then the rather moderate one it was when he took office.

However I do despise Jimmy Carter. For many of the same reasons come to think of it. And the fact that he is a dictator cuddling commie.

11 posted on 07/25/2005 4:45:59 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite (Adjusts tin foil hat with stylish copper lining))
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To: johnny7

I love the guy now. On an almost daily basis he reminds Americans what it would be like if there were another Clinton Administration. Don't change a thing Bill.


12 posted on 07/25/2005 4:46:01 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: johnny7

I can not say that I "hated" Clinton, but I did think he was a bad president, maybe not quite as bad as Carter.
Clinton was very fortunate to ride on the Internet boom.

My problem with Clinton is that everything with the man, then and now, is that it is all about himself.
He could be the most self centered man in history.

Being president, to him, was just a tool to get fame and fortune. It was never about the welfare of the nation, a 24/7 job.

It is hard to calculate just how much damage he did to this country, but I would think it is considerable.


13 posted on 07/25/2005 4:46:52 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava)
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To: johnny7

He's evil. The only president with a body count. Think about that. Rape is not his worst crime by far.


14 posted on 07/25/2005 4:47:24 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: johnny7

Liberals sell their souls for votes. That is what he did. He gave it up for gays and blacks who clearly hate whites, for femanists who hate men, for abortionists and those that would manipulate foolish women into thinking their babies are choices. He gave it up for every group of people that wanted a raise from their boss no matter how many people around the world are willing to do the same work for a tenth as much. After collecting such a gaggle of persons and not winning a majority of votes, he and they seemed to be in our face for the next 8 years with everything they did.


15 posted on 07/25/2005 4:49:05 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: johnny7
It's not hate. I feel very much the same way as many in this thread.

Clinton was a con artist. He brought the presidency to a new low. After making fun of Bush Sr. for his misstep on the 'no new taxes' thing, Clinton goes before the people and wags his finger: " I did not have sex with that woman"

He lied under oath. He raised taxes. He sold technology to the Chinese for campaign contributions. His wife attempted to force Hillarycare on us. He as impeached, for goodness sakes. In fact, he represents to conservatives what Nixon represents to liberals.

It's not hate. I'm must happy to see him out of the White House.
16 posted on 07/25/2005 4:49:39 AM PDT by Neever
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To: ml/nj

Bump for your comment. Just ask the family of Luther 'Jerry' Parks and many others.

The colossal tragedy is that the fourth estate could not, would not see and tell the truth about him. (Other than a precious few such as Ambrose Evans Pritchard.) They still won't. And most Americans don't have a clue about the pathological creature he really is.


17 posted on 07/25/2005 4:49:44 AM PDT by esopman (God Bless Freepers Everywhere)
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To: PigRigger

Agreed. The man had a lot of abilites but he was more worried about being liked than doing the right thing.


18 posted on 07/25/2005 4:50:23 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Coop
"I don't hate the corrupt, disbarred, adulterous, pathologically lying, impeached rapist."---Me either. His WIFE, however...
19 posted on 07/25/2005 4:51:50 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I don't care if it rains or freezes.)
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To: johnny7
Can't apply so strong a word as "hate..." detest, maybe, and even so it took about a year of him in office to realize just how badly America had allowed itself to be conned.

     



-Hillary Clinton- archives, comments, and opposition research --

-The Clinton Files--

-Murder, Inc. [repost] --

-ATTENTION BLOODHOUNDS--

-Women in the Clinton Era: Abuse,Intimidation and Smears--

Hillary's delegates spit on and taunt Police Honor Guard at her Convention

Catastrophic intelligence Failure - Clinton's Bin Laden GATE

CIA Officials Reveal What Went Wrong – Clinton to Blame

DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON
 


20 posted on 07/25/2005 4:53:05 AM PDT by backhoe (A Nuke for every Kook- what a Clinton "legacy...")
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To: johnny7

Honorable decent people usually do know enough to hate grifters.


21 posted on 07/25/2005 4:54:01 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: johnny7
Hate is too mild a word for any anti-life, anti-freedom, anti-truth criminal.

William Jefferson Criminal, his co-conspirator and their enablers are "clear and present dangers" to life/freedom.

Just ask their victims...real people, with names.

22 posted on 07/25/2005 4:54:07 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: johnny7
You have to ask?
23 posted on 07/25/2005 4:56:51 AM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: All
It is not Clinton I dislike, it is his hypocritical supporters who were willing to look past anything he did as long as he implemented their agenda.

The biggest hypocrites of all were the so called feminists who could really care less that he took advantage of women subordinates at least and committed rape at worst. They explained them away in their mind and were happy as long as children could be murdered in the womb legally.

These women who are supposed to champion the rights of other women turned a blind eye to their sisters in their time of need....and for what? To ensure a needle could get stuck in a baby's head so their brains could be sucked out. So a baby could have their head delivered, and then promptly severed before they could draw one breath. The lowest depths of hell are reserved for "women" such as these.
24 posted on 07/25/2005 4:59:18 AM PDT by texan75010
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To: johnny7

What's not to hate?


25 posted on 07/25/2005 4:59:30 AM PDT by nygoose
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To: Terabitten
I do not hate Bill Clinton.

But when he was president.. I disliked his tendency to to scold those who did not agree with him.

I disliked how the military became a politically correct organization during his term as President. I saw personally the fall of military health care system to the present HMO type system that he tried to spring on the American People..

I disliked his tendency to take credit for something other people would do or done.

His affair(s) with whoever proved that the man could not separate his private and professional life. But many defended his indiscretions by pointing to the past presidents.

Some his wife's comments to the American Public were condescending to the point of abuse. Yet.. the Voters in New York allowed her to establish a very thin residence in that state and she still became a Senator. Many believe she has the appeal to be a future President..

No.. I do not hate the Clintons.. but I did not feel positive about the USA when he was President.. and I am scared for our country if Hillary makes it to the White House
26 posted on 07/25/2005 5:00:41 AM PDT by Kitanis
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To: Terabitten
I do not hate Bill Clinton.

But when he was president.. I disliked his tendency to to scold those who did not agree with him.

I disliked how the military became a politically correct organization during his term as President. I saw personally the fall of military health care system to the present HMO type system that he tried to spring on the American People..

I disliked his tendency to take credit for something other people would do or done.

His affair(s) with whoever proved that the man could not separate his private and professional life. But many defended his indiscretions by pointing to the past presidents.

Some his wife's comments to the American Public were condescending to the point of abuse. Yet.. the Voters in New York allowed her to establish a very thin residence in that state and she still became a Senator. Many believe she has the appeal to be a future President..

No.. I do not hate the Clintons.. but I did not feel positive about the USA when he was President.. and I am scared for our country if Hillary makes it to the White House
27 posted on 07/25/2005 5:01:05 AM PDT by Kitanis
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To: leadpenny

Well put.


28 posted on 07/25/2005 5:04:17 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: johnny7

I loath bill clinton, and ankles.
My reason - Treason.


29 posted on 07/25/2005 5:06:49 AM PDT by From One - Many
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To: johnny7
Hate is a strong word, but I do regret that Clinton was ever president.

He soiled the office (metaphorically and literally).

He divided the country along racial, economic and political lines to suit his own needs.

He manufactured one "crisis" after another (health care) while ignoring REAL threats (Bin Laden).

And he gleefully dragged the country into his "personal" sordid sex life.

But on the plus side, I think Clinton almost singlehandedly destroyed his own party--now that's a legacy!

30 posted on 07/25/2005 5:07:18 AM PDT by silent_jonny (every time a conservative is nominated an angel gets his wings)
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To: nygoose
What's not to hate?

Great post.

31 posted on 07/25/2005 5:07:42 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: johnny7

Because klintoon is a traitor.


32 posted on 07/25/2005 5:08:10 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: johnny7
1. Waaaaaay too Internationalist with American Rights & Property,

2. Extreme Disrespect, disregard & Dismantling of our Armed Forces,

3. Extremely poor-example of marital fidelity/chivalry towards women,

4. Too many finance-related Scandals/rumours-of-mismanagement over lifetime.

BUBBA...go to sleep.

33 posted on 07/25/2005 5:08:30 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("I will Declare the Beauty of The LORD.")
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To: johnny7

Clinton brought fascism into the mainstream as a means to control owners of private property, and the black-robed Marxists assented, giving it the force of law.

Where does it say in the constitution that the federal government can steal your property for a kangaroo rat and tell you that using or developing that property is forbidden, all without paying a penny in compensation?

Creating de facto government nature preserves on private property is now the law of the land and its name is fascism.

Clinton is a fascist/Marxist thief.


34 posted on 07/25/2005 5:08:33 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Marxism has not only failed to promote human freedom, it has failed to produce food)
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I don't think that many of you get it. Do you think Clinton became the focus of FR because he was mildly disreputable? See post #2 and spend a lot of time on THE DOWNSIDE LEGACY ARCHIVES.
35 posted on 07/25/2005 5:09:19 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: johnny7

Hate is too small of a word for pure evil. All evil should be hated.


36 posted on 07/25/2005 5:09:56 AM PDT by Highest Authority
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To: johnny7

As soon as I heard the Flowers' story and how long it went on, I knew who Bill Clinton was.


37 posted on 07/25/2005 5:11:21 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's code and found a terrorist message.)
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To: johnny7

Well it was not because he cheated on Hillary.

For me it was because he used the apparatus of the federal government to cover up his misogynistic use of women.

It was because he ignored terrorism. It was because he stood by and let 800,000 people die in Rwanda when he could have done something. It was because lying came easier for him than anything else.

It was because he was more interested in how his administration "looked" than how it performed. It was because he was manipulative and had no personal morals or values. It was because everything had to be about him, instead of the country.

It was because he soiled the oval office.

The only thing you can say good about Bill was that at least you know what he wanted from The Presidency. He wanted to fill his ego and pick up chicks. Hillary on the other hand scares the hell out of me on a level Bill never did.


38 posted on 07/25/2005 5:12:27 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: johnny7
The planet does not, nor has it ever revolved around bjclintons.

Bjclinton love affair with himself now appears to take on a new thread of a moth eaten cloth, those mean evil conservatives who HATE me. Talk about an attempt at martyrdom.
39 posted on 07/25/2005 5:16:14 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: johnny7

1) He sold nuclear technology secrets to the Chinese for campaign contributions,

2) Was handed Osama Bin Laden on a silver platter, and then let him go,

3) Brought the United States into the Kosovo conflict, despite the complete lack of US interests,

4) Murdered those who got in his way,

5) Was a serial adulterer,

6) Was a serial rapist,

7) Committed perjury under oath,

8) Obstructed the legal process,

9) Drove the United States into a recession with his wild tax and spend policies,

10) Made the United states vulnerable to attack after dismantling the military, and

11) Wasted 7 years of prosperity that was handed to him after 12 years of Republican efforts that turned this country around after a period of Carter-stagflation.

Gee, other than these things (traitor, murderer, rapist, etc)he was a really swell guy.


40 posted on 07/25/2005 5:16:48 AM PDT by kidd
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I despise him because he completely trashed basic rules of a civilized society and we are left to pick up the shattered pieces. His choices became our consequences. Even today, he still laughs about it and the MSM continues to marvel at this beast they helped to create. Societal rules and justice left this lawless man with only one mark, an *asterik by his name. *With the exception of Clinton. That is not justice in a society of rules.
41 posted on 07/25/2005 5:17:55 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: johnny7

I don't much care for sociopaths.


42 posted on 07/25/2005 5:22:33 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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3) Brought the United States into the Kosovo conflict, despite the complete lack of US interests,

And with not one peep from the anti-war, hand-wringing left.

43 posted on 07/25/2005 5:23:41 AM PDT by silent_jonny (every time a conservative is nominated an angel gets his wings)
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To: johnny7
...Did...

Still DO.

For starters: giving the Red Chinese missile technology for campaign contributions - that's TREASON.

44 posted on 07/25/2005 5:24:47 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Thank GOD There's a Cowboy in the White House!)
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To: johnny7

Erenhalt doesn't get it. While Clinton may have been a consummate politician, he was all piñata and no candy. Dishonest, abusive, sneaky in his personal life, he was completely untrustworthy, even to his own allies. Loosely quoting/paraphrasing George Will, "he may not have been the worst president, but he was the worst man to have been president." The democrat/press incestuous relationship became quite clear and his presidency was papered over by a media, (with helpful polls) that only incredibly asked only one question about Juanita Broaderick, and was amazed at and admired at his capacity to dodge, weave and rationalise.

Any attempt to understand why people "despised" him without mentioning the very serious and cosnsequential events of his presidency(Technology transfer, credible allegations of violent criminal behaviour, serial terror attacks, Somalia, Rawanda, Waco)and how he responded is just an exercise in navel gazing.


45 posted on 07/25/2005 5:25:13 AM PDT by Kay Syrah (always remember your towel)
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To: silent_jonny
(Kosovo) And with not one peep from the anti-war, hand-wringing left

Despite a promise to be out of there in one year.

46 posted on 07/25/2005 5:30:26 AM PDT by kidd
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To: johnny7

John Huang, Mochtar Riady, Lippo, Wang Jun, Charlie Trie, Loral, Ron Brown, Ron Brown's funeral, Los Alamos, FBI files, Ruth Bader Gisburg, Gary Aldridge, Kathleen Wiley, Juanita Brodrick, Madeline Albright, Janet Reno, Waco, World Trade Center 1, USS Cole, Lincoln Bedroom, loathing the military, draft dodging, Susan McDougal, Hillary and healthcare, travel office, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Barbara Striesand, Elian Gonzales, Vince Foster, Arkansas church burnings, 'I did not have sex with that woman....', 'the most ethical administration ever', Jack Palandino, Linda Tripp, Jennifer Flowers, Cisneros, Web Hubble, middle-class tax cuts, retroactive tax increases, Mogadishu, Rawanda, Stephen Bryer, African Embassies, Harold Ickies, IRS audits......just off the top of my head.


47 posted on 07/25/2005 5:33:04 AM PDT by Bob Buchholz
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To: clee1
I agree with you and your reasons 100%.

But he does give me the creeps. He is such a strange person. I don't think he is mentally normal. I think he has a personality disorder. He has Malignant Narcissism Disorder. So does his so called "wife". They have a strange so called "marriage" too.
48 posted on 07/25/2005 5:34:25 AM PDT by buffyt (It is not a CHOICE ~ It is a CHILD!!!!!!)
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To: johnny7

In Bill Clinton we got see in stark clarity what the basic transaction is at the heart of liberalism: you let us kill our babies, we'll let you rape women.


49 posted on 07/25/2005 5:35:18 AM PDT by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

TREASON is exactly right. I still can't believe the Senate didn't have the spine or the balls to convict him!!!!!


50 posted on 07/25/2005 5:35:19 AM PDT by buffyt (It is not a CHOICE ~ It is a CHILD!!!!!!)
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