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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 9
Various News Outlets | 7/25/05

Posted on 07/25/2005 7:17:04 AM PDT by TexKat

Natalee Holloway and friends in Aruba 5/30/05


TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; joran; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; twitty
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Blond Hair Found on Aruba Shore to Be Tested in Case of Missing U.S. Teen (attached to duct tape...

1 posted on 07/25/2005 7:17:05 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat

Thank you for keeping the light burning regarding Natalee, TexKat.


2 posted on 07/25/2005 7:18:31 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; No Surrender No Retreat; ...
From Dan Riehl - Rhiel World View:

New Witness Emerges In Natalee Holloway Case

On Fox News, Jossy Mansur is announcing that a new witness has come forward in the Natalee Holloway case.

Developing.

Witness Saw Joran in Car With Kalpoe Brothers (VIDEO)

A witness saw Joran and the Kalpoe brothers in the car. Joran was driving, while one Kalpoe brother was in the passenger seat and the other brother in the back seat. Joran and the Kalpoe brothers tried to hide themselves when they rode by the witness.

Download and view video here.

3 posted on 07/25/2005 7:22:07 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat; countryconservative

SM:

Don't shoot the messenger,MSNBC just stated that they have learned of a new witness who is cooperating with LE and that said witness may know where Natalees body is.So y'all who heard it this morning aren't going crazy,,,,,,oh wait, I may be going crazy with you.
I shall wait and see if this witness is not the same witness Uncle Jossy told us about last night.


4 posted on 07/25/2005 7:27:00 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: TexKat

Thanks for changing the pic.


5 posted on 07/25/2005 7:27:22 AM PDT by sarasota
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UPDATE: Riehl World View : has the family reaction

The Fox story was the first they heard of it - claims it wasn't surprising as they were never sure they knew the truth as to what happened during those hours - 2 - 4 AM the night if Natalee's disappearance.

Beth is hopeful this is a break in the case. Beth believes Natalee was last seem between 1 - 1:30 getting into a car with boys - interesting she named Deepak first and Joran last, even after Satish.

Jug also states he has been waiting for a break in the case and he hopes this is it.

Beth continues to hope more people will come forward. Jug still feels strongly the Father, Paul(us) Van der SLoot is involved. Beth hopes witnesses will develop some trust and a comfort level and come forward.

A report from the Netherlands suggests nothing resulted from early tests on the duct tape. That seems to imply no evidence of DNA - reporter also suggests it may have been a hoax. That supports what I was told and reported a day or two ago.

7 posted on 07/25/2005 7:37:41 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

How can they already be annoucing results when Fox said they just left the island with the "evidence" last night?


8 posted on 07/25/2005 7:40:53 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: TexKat

I was in the market yesterday and noticed that two tabloids had articles on how Natalee was murdered. Have you had a chance to look at these (flimsy?) allegations?


9 posted on 07/25/2005 7:41:50 AM PDT by Fractal Trader (Free Republic Energized - - The power of Intelligence on the Internet! Checked by Correkt Spel (TM))
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To: maggief

Thanks for the heads up.


10 posted on 07/25/2005 7:43:11 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Fractal Trader

Yes both are on I believe the last 2 threads (threads 7 & 8) Fractal Trader. See previous threads above.


11 posted on 07/25/2005 7:45:20 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

btt


12 posted on 07/25/2005 7:46:15 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Howlin
How can they already be annoucing results when Fox said they just left the island with the "evidence" last night?

It was not the evidence that left last night, at least I hope that it was'nt. I believe another Freeper responded to you and I regarding the matter explaining that it was an assisstant Aruban prosecutor that was enroute to the US for other matters concerning the investigation.

13 posted on 07/25/2005 7:48:07 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: All
Transcripts of only the conversations between Jossy and Geraldo on 7/24/05

GR: Jos, Thanks for being with us. Tell us about this guy, tell us about what he told you.

JM: Well our people have been searching for the past 3 1/2 weeks for the identity of this witness that we heard about because of a domino game that took place in the prison of Aruba in which one of the Kalpoe brothers participated. Friday they were finally, uh he was finally found and uh speaking to our people he said that ah, between 2:30 and 3:00 in the morning that Natalee disappeared. He was driving by the Racquet Ball Club to go to his home and he saw the Kalpoe car parked there with Joran in the drivers seat, one of the Kalpoe brothers beside him, and the other Kalpoe brother in the back. They did not see Natalee with them, but ah when he drove by very slowly and very close to them, Joran tired to hide his face with his hand and one of the Kalpoe brothers who was in the back just threw himself on the seat so as to not be seen. But (unaudible - sounds like he says Deback) saw all three of them. Friday our people took him after a lot of convincing, because he was afraid... took him to the (unaudible - half?) quarters of the police at (ooo-Bali?) and there he did repeat word for word everything he told us and he signed his declaration. So this places Joran and the Kalpoe brothers within 2:30 and 3:00 at a spot where they were not suppose to be at, at that time. (overtalk)

GR: Jossy how credible is this person and this is not the reward money speaking is it?

JM: No No No... there's is no reward involved here. It's just at his own free will make that statement to us after we heard about him from that domino game in the prison because when one of the other guys was playing with this Kalpoe brother, one of them - don't know which one - told him, "listen my gardener saw you and the other 2 guys by the back of the club between 2:30 and 3:00". He (Kalpoe) became very pale and he (Kalpoe) threw the dominoes on the table. So when we heard that story, our people began to search. We finally found him on Friday and he was convinced to be taken to the police were he laid out his declaration. This changes the whole story that they dropped Joran and Natalee to the beach, to the beach at the Marriott Club. There were between 2:30 and 3:00 at some other place nearby, within walking distance from the Marriott.

GR: But Natalee was not to be seen at least?

JM: No she was not to be seen in the car with them, no!

GR: Ladies and Gentleman at this point let me just give you a heads up we are going delve much more deeply into this potentially explosive new information. But I want Jossy to please stand by we are going to have much more coverage on Aruba including a live interviews and there live reactions to what this stunning news we just all heard together from Natalee's mom and step-dad and also we are going to bring in our own forensic expert Dr. Michael Baden. But first more breaking news (it was about the Brits shooting and killing that one  guy)

Now Jossy and TJ are talking to Geraldo (I am not going  cover what TJ said as most of it was easy to understand and was just a recap)

GR: Jos... just let me ask you if I could. Jossy this a... you know this development. This guy you swear by this guy. Can you tell us a little bit about who he is?

JM: What I can tell you is that ah he was very scared to go to the police. We had to do a lot of talking with him and after we explained to him that he nothing to fear then we took him in. We cannot identify him now because he is very vibrant witness for police. We don't want to do anything to hamper the investigation.

GR: Ok I understand... let me interrupt and go to Michael Baden... (Again I am not going to type in what he said as it is more talking head stuff)

14 posted on 07/25/2005 7:49:25 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/01 <<<<<)
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To: TexKat

I, too, thought I heard that the prosecutor was traveling with the evidence from the tape.


15 posted on 07/25/2005 7:50:02 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Baynative

wow.

and that one is probably older than Natalee.


16 posted on 07/25/2005 7:51:38 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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From Scared Monkeys:

TIMELINE #6 ................7/19/2005

17 posted on 07/25/2005 7:51:47 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Baynative

Bump and thank you Baynative!!


18 posted on 07/25/2005 7:52:33 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Baynative

Will there ever be a group as gifted musically and lyrically as The Eagles?


19 posted on 07/25/2005 7:55:12 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota

Queen

but without freddie they can be no more.


20 posted on 07/25/2005 7:56:36 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

That was Queen?? They, too, were incredible.


21 posted on 07/25/2005 7:57:23 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: TexKat

Images resource:

http://nataleeholloway.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=899&KW=lorenzo+picture

http://nataleeholloway.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=1151&KW=lorenzo+picture


22 posted on 07/25/2005 8:00:32 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: sarasota

bttt


23 posted on 07/25/2005 8:00:56 AM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: countryconservative
I believe Natalee is dead, and I sure hope I'm wrong and that she was kidnapped instead.

One reason is the changing stories of the three suspects. I doubt they would've have come up with the first story if they thought she was alive and would show up and prove them to be liars.

24 posted on 07/25/2005 8:01:07 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: maggief
Lorenzo?

25 posted on 07/25/2005 8:02:08 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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From NataleeHolloway.net:

The song you hear on this site "Natalee", was written by songwriter Ericka Harvey for Natalee Holloway. She has given Nataleeholloway.net written permission to play her song on our site.

http://nataleeholloway.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=1193&PN=1&FID=8&PR=3

27 posted on 07/25/2005 8:06:10 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Baynative

So very true Baynative. Unfortunately for some it is far too late when they realize what has hit them.


28 posted on 07/25/2005 8:07:38 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: maggief

Oh my God maggief. I just got sick to my stomach.


29 posted on 07/25/2005 8:08:31 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Per SM this could be Lorenzo:


30 posted on 07/25/2005 8:09:55 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: TexKat

GVS coming up on The View, (Lord help me), with new NH information.


31 posted on 07/25/2005 8:11:28 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: maggief

Dang, can you imagine that guy showing up to take your daughter out!


32 posted on 07/25/2005 8:11:33 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: TexKat

booked


33 posted on 07/25/2005 8:12:04 AM PDT by Canedawg (formerly Voir Dire)
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To: maggief

Do tell!


34 posted on 07/25/2005 8:12:35 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Baynative

I understand they are doing a Farewell Tour. The price will no doubt be high, but if they come to my neck of the woods, I'm there.


36 posted on 07/25/2005 8:18:49 AM PDT by sarasota
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Also in th news:

Tourist Murders In Bimini

The quaint settlement of Alice Town, Bimini, was still reeling from the slaughter of two Austrian nationals over the weekend, who appeared to have been slain execution-style at a local hotel.

37 posted on 07/25/2005 8:22:42 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: sarasota; TexKat; countryconservative

GVS on The View:

1. Jossy Mansur's report on the three spotted at the racquet club. Car parked, lights out??? Did I hear that correctly?
2. (MSNBC) report on the witness that knows where the body is located.


38 posted on 07/25/2005 8:27:21 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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Disappearances have eerie parallels

Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba has some eerie parallels to a writer's disappearance in Jamaica five years ago. Seeking answers, the writer's parents have sued the Sandals resort chain.

39 posted on 07/25/2005 8:27:53 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Lizarde

Nat not seen and the assumption was she was not in the car. I am not so sure about that. Also why was Joran in driver's seat.

I am withholding judgement as to the veracity of this witness. But it is intriguing.


42 posted on 07/25/2005 8:32:56 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: maggief

Can I assume that they are talking about two separate witnesses?


43 posted on 07/25/2005 8:35:43 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Lizarde
Ok so what's with the witness who saw the gang at the tennis club - heard this last night while multitasking.....said to see them there 2:30-3:00 am. That this is near the Marriot???

Video in post #3.

44 posted on 07/25/2005 8:35:56 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: sarasota

That's my take on it, two different witnesses.


45 posted on 07/25/2005 8:36:38 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: TexKat
Thanks TexKat. That's a great timeline in post #1996 in Thread 8. I wish we knew why Beth thinks that when Natalee called their MB home and left a message she thinks Natalee was calling from the VDS's. I keep flashing back to the time Beth and Greta went to the VDS's and were invited in their house. Beth seemed to be holding back some important information.

Do you think there might be a chiming clock or a familiar sound (baarking dog) that could be heard in the background of Natalee's voicemail? And could Beth have heard the same thing when she went in their house?

46 posted on 07/25/2005 8:37:02 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: maggief

Wonder how msnbc got a witness. My understanding was that Fox staffers were the only media left on the island.


47 posted on 07/25/2005 8:40:02 AM PDT by sarasota
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Ok so what's with the witness who saw the gang at the tennis club - heard this last night while multitasking.....said to see them there 2:30-3:00 am. That this is near the Marriot???

Aruba Racquet Club

48 posted on 07/25/2005 8:40:30 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Here's a bump to save my spot.


49 posted on 07/25/2005 8:41:51 AM PDT by fatima
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To: demkicker

2 possibilities, as I have understood the snippets

1. voices in backgroubd, one of which said "are you calling homs? Hang up now"

2. the VDS (vacationing) neighbors monkey might also be heard screeching in the background.


50 posted on 07/25/2005 8:42:08 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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