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Four Boy Scout Leaders Killed in Electrical Accident at Jamboree Opening in Virginia
COX.Net AP Story ^ | July 25,2005 | MICHAEL FELBERBAUM, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 07/25/2005 6:18:31 PM PDT by SandRat

BOWLING GREEN, Va. -- Four adult Boy Scout leaders were killed Monday afternoon in an electrical accident during the opening day of the organization's 2005 Jamboree.

Jamboree spokesman Gregg Shields said the accident occurred between 4:30 and 5 p.m. while the leaders were setting up camp.

One other leader and a contract worker were injured, and were hospitalized in stable condition, Shields said. No youth Scouts were seriously hurt, he said. He did not say how many might have sustained minor injuries.

Shields did not have additional details about the accident, including the victims' names.

"We have an investigation under way," he said.

More than 40,000 Boy Scouts, leaders and volunteers from around the world are attending the 2005 National Scout Jamboree. The event Monday at the Army's Fort AP Hill, a 76,000-acre Army training base about an hour south of the nation's capital.

The Jamboree runs through Aug. 3 with President Bush scheduled to speak Wednesday evening. Scouts ages 12-18 are to spend 10 days camping in tents and doing activities that include archery, fishing and a GPS-based scavenger hunt.

The Boy Scouts of America have held the event since 1937 with the next gathering set for 2010, the Scouts' 100th anniversary.

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1 posted on 07/25/2005 6:18:34 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Da Jerdge; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...

2 posted on 07/25/2005 6:19:09 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.


3 posted on 07/25/2005 6:21:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

Odds are not quite 50%, but close, that I know one of these folks.

The proper thing to do is

A) what the families want to have done

B) without a clear direction from the families continue with the Jamboree in the name of people who gave gladly to these kids for many, many years.

4 posted on 07/25/2005 6:25:12 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: xzins

Very sad, but I don't think they will cancel the Jamboree. My troop attended part of the 1977 Jamboree in Moraine State Park in PA. From a distance, I actually saw a lightening strike hit a tree, and then a scout (he died). The jamboree continued until the end.


5 posted on 07/25/2005 6:25:13 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins

no way life goes on dont let the amps and volts win


6 posted on 07/25/2005 6:25:13 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: SandRat
Wow. That's just awful. We had a huge "all class reunion" at our local fairgrounds a few years ago, and a draft horse bolted from a barn, tore through the crowd and seriously hurt a lot of people.

You just can't always tell what hazards are out there.

7 posted on 07/25/2005 6:25:52 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: xzins
Nope, it will go on. That is part of the Scout Law; Brave - think about it.

John Wayne passed away in June 1979 from cancer. One of his last public appearances, and at this time all knew that the end was near, was at a dinner to benefit a land purchase for a Scout reservation called John Wayne Outpost Camp. At this dinner, the Duke recited the Scout Law. Then he did something unusual, he said “the twelve points of the Scout Law are “nice words.”” “Trouble is,” he continued, “we learn them so young we sometimes don’t get all the understanding that goes with them. I take care of that in my family. As each boy reaches Scout age, I make sure he learns the Scout Law. Then I break it down for him, with a few things I have picked up in more than half a century since I learned it.” Then the Duke proceeded to explain the importance of the Scout Law, breaking it down for the guests at the dinner, much like he would have for his grandson.

TRUSTWORTHY – The badge of honesty. Having it lets you look any man in the eye. Lacking it he won’t look back. Keep this one at the top of your list.

LOYAL – The very word is life itself, for without loyalty we have no love of person or country.

HELPFUL – Part sharing, part caring. By helping each other, we help ourselves, not to mention mankind. Be always full of help – the dying man’s last words.

FRIENDLY – Brotherhood is part of that word. You can take it in a lot of directions – and – do but make sure and start with brotherhood.

COURTEOUS – Allow each person his human dignity which means a lot more than saying “yes ma’am” and “thank you sir.” It reflects an attitude that later in life you wish you had honored more …. earlier in life. Save yourself that trouble. Do it now.

KIND – This one word would stop wars and erase hatreds. But its like your bicycle. Its just no good unless get out and use it.

OBEDIENT – Starts at home. Practice it in your family. Enlarge it in your friends. Share it with humanity.

CHEERFUL – Anyone can put on a happy face when the going is good. The secret is to wear it as a mask for your problems. It might surprise you how many others do the same thing.

THRIFTY – Means a lot more that putting pennies away, and is the opposite of cheap. Common sense covers it just about as well as anything.

BRAVE – You don’t have to fight to be brave. Millions of fine decent folks show more bravery than heavy-weight champs just by getting out of bed every morning, going out to do a good days work and living the best life they know how against the law of odds. Keep the word handy every day of your life.

CLEAN – Soap and water help a lot on the outside. But it is the inside that counts and don’t you ever forget it.

REVERANT – Believe in anything that you want to believe in but keep GOD at the top of it. With him, life can be a beautiful experience. Without him, you are just bidding time.

John Wayne then thanked those in attendance at the dinner for putting his name on the outpost camp and said, “I would rather see it here than on all the theater marquees the world over.”

8 posted on 07/25/2005 6:26:32 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Dang. Very sad news. Prayers for families and victims.


9 posted on 07/25/2005 6:27:44 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: SandRat

A lightning strike maybe?


10 posted on 07/25/2005 6:29:02 PM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: F15Eagle

We've got 6 adults from our council there and haven't heard names yet.


11 posted on 07/25/2005 6:30:13 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

That's too bad. I never made it to a Jamboree when I was in Scouts, but went to plenty of Camporees, Scout Camps, 50-mile hike as well as monthly campouts (rain, snow, sunshine--didn't matter). I look back on the Scouts with fond memories, and it was events like this that made it all worthwile.


12 posted on 07/25/2005 6:30:16 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

This old boy scout totally disagrees with you. And I'm quite sure those 4 Scout leaders would disagree with you also.

13 posted on 07/25/2005 6:30:23 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

Uh, why? It is a bad thing to happen. But, the Scouts have been working toward this for years. Why cancel it? Why not carry on with great determination?

It is a life lesson here.

14 posted on 07/25/2005 6:30:35 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: xzins

"The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held."

No, Scouts don't quit like that


15 posted on 07/25/2005 6:31:39 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: oyez

What I posted is all I know right now.


16 posted on 07/25/2005 6:31:53 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: randog

Ok,..... you had fun because adults cared to help the youth with Scouts. So what Scout Council/District/Troop/Pack are you working with now to repay the favor?


17 posted on 07/25/2005 6:34:19 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Never saw that one. I need to clean my momitor. It just got blurry.


18 posted on 07/25/2005 6:35:21 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: SandRat

My old troop, Troop 152.


19 posted on 07/25/2005 6:35:22 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: SandRat
Such a tragic accident. Prayers lifted for the leaders who were lost, their families and friends, and the BSA family.

PS: My time within the BSA (Eagle Scout, 1968) was in no small part instrumental in my success in later adulthood. I cannot encourage FReepers, their families, and their acquaintances enough to support the Boy Scouts of America and to encourage their children to enroll in this exceptional organization.

20 posted on 07/25/2005 6:37:00 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Crush! Kill! Destroy the heathen!)
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To: SandRat

Easy there. Do not start a flame war


21 posted on 07/25/2005 6:37:07 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: SandRat
Just heard this on the news. Prayers for all involved.


TAPS


22 posted on 07/25/2005 6:37:16 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska ((~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ coming soon ~Operation Semper Fi ~a field hospital~)
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To: SandRat
My sons Scoutmaster called his wife earlier. He said they were putting up a big tent, and the center pole hit some electrical wires.

That's all I heard so far.

Prayers for the families and for the Scouting program.

23 posted on 07/25/2005 6:38:16 PM PDT by airborne
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To: oyez

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1450365/posts

another article

So sad. Prayers for their families and all Scouts.


24 posted on 07/25/2005 6:39:00 PM PDT by kenth
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To: airborne

Damn...speachless.


25 posted on 07/25/2005 6:39:13 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Pitchforks and Lanters..with a smiley face!)
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To: SandRat

They had electricity at a Jamboree?


26 posted on 07/25/2005 6:42:22 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: randog

Good-O on you!

From Gilwell Park WB Troop 1, WE4-11-04 Is ther an OWL in the House??


27 posted on 07/25/2005 6:44:16 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

Absolutely not xzins. This is not the first time scouts or leaders have died at the Jamboree. The units involved may (and probably should) pack up and go home.

But you're talking more than 40,000 scouts and leaders that come literally from around the world. And putting this one on has been no small feat.

I was an exhibitor at the 2001 Jamboree. My organization opted not to this year for various reasons. One of which was security concerns. The scouts and military have been working for years. Literally since 9/11 to make that place secure.

This is tragic. But it's no cause to give up on such a massive undertaking.

28 posted on 07/25/2005 6:45:08 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: don-o

Sorry about that Sr Patrol Ldr!


29 posted on 07/25/2005 6:45:33 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Phsstpok; al baby; Born Conservative; SandRat

I see it as a sign of respect for life. At the same time, mine would be just one vote from the pastoral side of the house. Other opinions would not be wrong just because they disagreed with mine, imho. I cannot quote scripture to you that requires one or the other, however, there is typically a period of mourning, and I would not go against that period.

A period of mourning undergirds a high regard for the lesson on the sacredness of life, and I, therefore, would have me not change my recommendation.

I also believe it puts the President in a very awkward position. The media, already unfair to the Boy Scouts, could use it to cast the President as insensitive. I will not be surprised if they do.

I do remember one other speech in which the President addressed a tragedy, and then turned to the topic otherwise at hand. I wish I could remember the occasion of that speech.


30 posted on 07/25/2005 6:47:00 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: airborne

Thanks for that piece of information. Anything on from what State or Council they were from?


31 posted on 07/25/2005 6:47:27 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: lepton

For the Stage for the opening Ceremony.


32 posted on 07/25/2005 6:48:16 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: xzins

Sensitive, but wrong!


33 posted on 07/25/2005 6:48:18 PM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: xzins

The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.


I don't understand your rationale in cancelling the jamboree. As the article says, 40,000 kids are participating who likely worked and saved for this big event. Though it's tragic, I don't think any of the four that died would have wanted it cancelled.


34 posted on 07/25/2005 6:48:33 PM PDT by conshack ((Our porous southern border WILL result in another terrorist attack))
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To: lepton
They had electricity at a Jamboree?

Not in the tents, but sure. This is, afterall at Fort A.P. Hill. And some of the exhibits and shows get pretty elaborate. Remember this is the National Jamboree with some 40,000 participants.

35 posted on 07/25/2005 6:48:33 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: SandRat
Ok,..... you had fun because adults cared to help the youth with Scouts. So what Scout Council/District/Troop/Pack are you working with now to repay the favor?

You can't know what this person has been doing with his life since the Scouts. I was in Girl Scouts and have fond memories of those experiences...but I never felt I owed the scouting program any parcticular debt of service. My kids were not inclined to participate in scouting. My service work with children is therefore in different fields...mainly with my church, but also with local charitable concerns and with the schools my kids attend. Let others give back to the Scouts. I'm giving back to my community in other ways they might not. That seems fair. And judging by the number of boxes of cookies still in my freezer, I'd say I'm repaying my debt to the Girl Scouts with interest!

I'm very sorry to hear of this accident....I hope the survivors have a complete recovery.

36 posted on 07/25/2005 6:49:09 PM PDT by lsee
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Oh SandRat! How terrible...MANY prayers for the families and all the kids at the Jamboree...


37 posted on 07/25/2005 6:49:19 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

As those who died did so trying to put on the Jamboree, my guess is that they would want it to go on.

38 posted on 07/25/2005 6:49:41 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

See my #30


39 posted on 07/25/2005 6:49:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
Well, the Scout Jamboree Prayer Book will be pulled out and there will be a Jamboree Memorial Service (Prayer book covers all the religions and is not as the ACLU claims a Christian Evangelical Book).
40 posted on 07/25/2005 6:50:36 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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A tremendous tragedy, the more so because it occurred at an event designed to be celebratory.

Deaths by electrocution generally don't get much publicity, I suppose because they're usually one at a time (the four deaths in this case being an exception). But I can remember three deaths in the Charlotte area alone in the recent past (and more, I'm sure, that I've forgotten): a construction worker who contacted a live wire; a moviegoer who leaned against an improperly grounded electric sign in front of the theater; and a concert patron who stepped on a live wire at the ironically-named Verizon Wireless Amphitheater.

Be careful, folks. We tend to take electricity for granted. But it needs to be respected.

41 posted on 07/25/2005 6:50:58 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina ("You can observe a lot just by watching." -- Yogi Berra)
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To: xzins; Phsstpok; al baby; Born Conservative; SandRat
I also believe it puts the President in a very awkward position. The media, already unfair to the Boy Scouts, could use it to cast the President as insensitive.

xzins, you've been in the sacramental wine again haven't you?

If the President is planning to go he should continue to do so. If nothing else to honor their memory.

42 posted on 07/25/2005 6:51:35 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: lsee
by the number of boxes of cookies still in my freezer, I'd say I'm repaying my debt to the Girl Scouts with interest!

LOL

You got me!

43 posted on 07/25/2005 6:52:04 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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*****The Jamboree runs through Aug. 3 with President Bush scheduled to speak Wednesday evening. ******

No, I disagree, Corin. (And I'm out of sacramental wine...all I've got is the good stuff! :>)

I think I might be able to live with your idea of sending home only the units affected.

However, there's no doubt that it puts the President in the position of having to acknowledge this, and opens the door to being labeled as insensitive.


45 posted on 07/25/2005 6:56:46 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: al baby

Merit badge for electricity

This posting sure shows a lack of class.


46 posted on 07/25/2005 6:59:23 PM PDT by conshack ((Our porous southern border WILL result in another terrorist attack))
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To: SandRat

No. No other info. It was a short call.


47 posted on 07/25/2005 7:01:09 PM PDT by airborne
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To: xzins

Ah I skimmed over the part about the President being there. IIRC he had to cancel in 2001 because of the weather. Severe thunderstorms and he couldn't copter in. But don't quote me, I may be making that up.

I'm not going to argue this with you, but you're simply wrong. From a pure PR aspect cancelling because of this would appear far more insensitive than going and acknowleding the loss.

There was a kid hit by lightning in 2001. He survived. In 1997 a kid died in a humvee accident (he was driving without a license).

This is tragic. But not new. This will overshadow the event. The scouts and leaders there will never forget what happened.

But quitting is the absolute wrong thing to do.


48 posted on 07/25/2005 7:01:44 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: al baby
al baby

On occasion, I've posted some joke or photo which seemed funny at the time, but which, upon reflection, seemed crass and not worthy of me. I hope this proves to be one of those times for you.

49 posted on 07/25/2005 7:03:54 PM PDT by lsee
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However, there's no doubt that it puts the President in the position of having to acknowledge this, and opens the door to being labeled as insensitive.

Please, sir. Stop worrying about what "they" are going to do off this.

Let W be W. And let the Jamboree go on. All will be well.

If ever was a time that the Scouts needed a support, now is that. I think the President will make us proud.

50 posted on 07/25/2005 7:03:54 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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