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Four Boy Scout Leaders Killed in Electrical Accident at Jamboree Opening in Virginia
COX.Net AP Story ^ | July 25,2005 | MICHAEL FELBERBAUM, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 07/25/2005 6:18:31 PM PDT by SandRat

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To: xzins

However, there's no doubt that it puts the President in the position of having to acknowledge this, and opens the door to being labeled as insensitive.


I don't understand your rationale here. Our friends on the left have tried to destroy the scouts due to the fact that they include God in their teachings. Moving forward with the jamboree and having GW address the scouts should reinforce our commitment to them.


52 posted on 07/25/2005 7:07:43 PM PDT by conshack ((Our porous southern border WILL result in another terrorist attack))
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To: al baby

al, you gonna take that down or not?


53 posted on 07/25/2005 7:09:14 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: conshack
Not only move forward with the Jamboree, but bring in some of the best criminal investigators in the country to check this one out.

This may well not have been an accident, but rather sabotage by the ACLU or NAMBLA.

There is no doubt that both organizations carry grievances against Boy Scouts.

54 posted on 07/25/2005 7:09:31 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: SandRat
Four Scout leaders killed in electrical accident at Jamboree

By MICHAEL FELBERBAUM, Associated Press Writer

Published: July 25th, 2005
Last Modified: July 25th, 2005 at 05:46 PM

BOWLING GREEN, Va. (AP) - Four adult Boy Scout leaders were killed Monday afternoon in an electrical accident during the opening day of the organization's 2005 Jamboree, the Boy Scouts of America said.

Jamboree spokesman Gregg Shields said an electrical accident occurred between 4:30 p.m. and 5 p.m. Monday while the leaders were setting up camp.

Shields said no youth Scouts were seriously injured. He did not say how many sustained minor injuries.

"We're looking into it right now," Shields said. "We have an investigation under way."

One other leader and a contract worker also were injured but remain in stable condition at a local hospital, Shields said.

The killed and injured Scout leaders were from Anchorage, Alaska, said Bill Haines, Scout executive and chief executive officer of the Western Alaska Council, which oversees about 10,600 Boy Scouts and is the largest of three councils in Alaska.

The rest of the story


55 posted on 07/25/2005 7:13:02 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska ((~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ coming soon ~Operation Semper Fi ~a field hospital~)
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To: muawiyah

Not only move forward with the Jamboree, but bring in some of the best criminal investigators in the country to check this one out.

Not sure an indepth investigation will be necessary. A poster earlier got a call from the site and it appears they put a pole against some stationary electrical wires.
Not that ACLU or MAMBLA wouldn't consider sabotaging an event like this.


56 posted on 07/25/2005 7:14:08 PM PDT by conshack ((Our porous southern border WILL result in another terrorist attack))
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To: Kathy in Alaska

Prayers for the families. Kathy, sorry for the town's loss:(


57 posted on 07/25/2005 7:16:14 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Kathy in Alaska

Thanks for the update Kathy.



58 posted on 07/25/2005 7:16:36 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: conshack

Both those groups can be counted on to eventually murder some Scouters, and just because something seems to be a clear-cut case of an accident, that doesn't mean it's really an accident.


59 posted on 07/25/2005 7:18:11 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: SandRat

They were from Alaska. See:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163617,00.html


60 posted on 07/25/2005 7:18:41 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: SandRat

Thanks for that post!!!

The Duke is my hero, and this is something I didn't know about him.


61 posted on 07/25/2005 7:19:04 PM PDT by digger48
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To: armymarinemom; SandRat

I'm not involved with the Scouts anymore, but know some here. Waiting for local reports. Thanks for the prayers. The families are going to need them.


62 posted on 07/25/2005 7:20:11 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska ((~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ coming soon ~Operation Semper Fi ~a field hospital~)
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To: bnelson44

Scout Vespers

Sing to tune of: "Oh Christmas Tree"

Softly falls the light of day,
As our campfire fades away.
Silently each Scout should ask,
"Have I done my daily task?
Have I kept my honor bright?
Can I guiltless sleep tonight?
Have I done and have I dared,
Everything to be Prepared?"


Listen Lord, oh listen Lord,
As I whisper soft and low.
Bless my mom and Bless my dad,
These are things that they should know.
I will keep my honor Bright,
The oath and law will be my guide.
And mom and dad this you should know,
Deep in my heart I love you so.


63 posted on 07/25/2005 7:20:19 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: Kathy in Alaska
. Waiting for local reports

Thanks. Keep me posted please. The scouts in your area were supportive of my son's unit when he was deployed. So sad.

64 posted on 07/25/2005 7:24:43 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: xzins

I disagree. There are over 35,000 scouts attending. For many this is a once in a lifetime event. Make sure it is save and continue. My son now regrets he opted out of this event, only two of the older scouts in his troop didn't go.

Unfortunately these leaders may have had sons with them. Prayers up for everyone.

And shame on the ACLU for persecuting the boy scouts. It is the glue that holds many youth on the straight & narrow.


65 posted on 07/25/2005 7:30:05 PM PDT by YankeeGirl (Certa bonum certamen)
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To: YankeeGirl; don-o; conshack

See my #30 & 45


66 posted on 07/25/2005 7:31:38 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: SandRat

.

1st Man on Earth's Moon =

Eagle Scout NEIL ARMSTRONG


1st Man on the Planet Mars =

Eagle Scout ....... .........?

.


67 posted on 07/25/2005 7:32:47 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Kathy in Alaska

Thanks so much for the info. I saw that 4 died on the website earlier since I checked to see how things were going, since my 15 year old son is there. He left yesterday withe Baltimore Area Council contingent.

Ther is noway that this event should be cancelled because of the tragedy. That would make a mockery of the deaths. These leaders that died came from Alaska to get their scounts to the Jamboree.

There are 43,000 scouts there this year and this tragedy should not curtail the 18 months that these kids have worked to get to this event.


68 posted on 07/25/2005 7:32:49 PM PDT by Rhiannon
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To: SandRat; glock rocks; Grampa Dave
Another Source
69 posted on 07/25/2005 7:34:25 PM PDT by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: lepton

Probable for the PA system and other necessary equipment


70 posted on 07/25/2005 7:40:00 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Freedom isn't free)
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To: SandRat

I used to be a Beaver. A good ol beaver too


71 posted on 07/25/2005 7:42:11 PM PDT by ghostcat
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To: Rhiannon

I have three sons there, one with a contingent troop, and two working as youth staff. In totally agreement the Jamboree goes on while honoring those leaders that gave their lives that boys may grow into men.

The report sounds as though it was a troop campsite, possibly a gateway that was being put up. Can't imagine a large tent in a troop campsite


72 posted on 07/25/2005 7:42:57 PM PDT by Techster
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To: xzins
I also believe it puts the President in a very awkward position. The media, already unfair to the Boy Scouts, could use it to cast the President as insensitive.

The President has absolutely nothing to do with it. Other than the Jamboree taking place on Federal land, the president has no authority over the BSA. This old Eagle Scout (class of '66) says carry on. The troops affected may go home, but the others should carry on as I am sure those Scout Leaders would have wanted them to.

73 posted on 07/25/2005 7:44:39 PM PDT by weaponeer
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To: weaponeer

see #30 & 45


74 posted on 07/25/2005 7:48:03 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: airborne
He said they were putting up a big tent, and the center pole hit some electrical wires.

So much for 'be prepared'. Another body-blow of needless death to an organization that is held in too high esteem among those on FR.

75 posted on 07/25/2005 7:48:48 PM PDT by newzjunkey (San Diego: **YES ON A** Protect Mt Soledad War Memoral from annoyed atheists!)
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To: SandRat

Local news here is reporting Anchorage Alaska, two troops attending from there and it was unclear if they were all from the same troop or not. Two other people also seriously injured, one adult and one scout but they are expected to recover.


76 posted on 07/25/2005 7:48:52 PM PDT by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: newzjunkey

Very sad day for the Boy Scouts of America.


77 posted on 07/25/2005 7:50:46 PM PDT by airborne
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To: xzins
OK, but if there's a vote, I think you're gonna lose. :-)

Seriously, this is a tragedy, and I can see that your feeling is one of respect for the loss of the leaders. But the BSA exists to instill certain values in our youth, and respect, courage, fortitude, and perseverance are just a few of them. They need to acknowledge the tragedy and move on, just like in so many other things in life.

78 posted on 07/25/2005 7:55:56 PM PDT by weaponeer
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To: Corin Stormhands
IIRC he had to cancel in 2001 because of the weather.

Yes, you are absolutely correct, the President regrettably did have to cancel in 2001 - in fact, the entire closing ceremony had to be postponed until the following day as a result of flooding from the severe storms. My son was a Scout at that Jamboree, and reported seeing the Arena stage, where the closing ceremony was to take place, sitting in the middle of a lake after the storms. He had also returned from Sunday morning church services to find a river running through his tent! So although these unanticipated circumstances prevented President Bush from being there in person, his speech to the Scouts was instead broadcast at the rescheduled closing ceremony the following evening.

There was a kid hit by lightning in 2001. He survived.

Yep, I also remember that a Scout survived being hit by lighting at the 2001 Jamboree.  At the time, I was doing the website for our council's Jambo contingent and posting news from them each day.  I recall getting a call from our council office to post the word and start a phone tree among the parents here at home that our boys were not involved in the incident.

I'm so sorry to learn of the tragic accident out at this year's Jamboree, and they will be in our prayers.  But the Jamboree should go on.  It is an experience of a lifetime for these Scouts.

79 posted on 07/25/2005 7:58:23 PM PDT by PacesPaines (a proud Eagle Scout Mom)
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To: weaponeer

I'm definitely gonna lose on a vote. I haven't had a single soul support my position.

Just a lonely voice crying out in the wilderness..... LOL!


80 posted on 07/25/2005 8:00:07 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: newzjunkey
an organization that is held in too high esteem among those on FR.

Care to explain to all the Scouts here, both past and present, why people on FR should have less esteem for the Scouts? I'm sure we'd all appreciate being enlightened.

81 posted on 07/25/2005 8:07:29 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: newzjunkey
"So much for 'be prepared'. Another body-blow of needless death to an organization that is held in too high esteem among those on FR."

Cowardly, detestable smugness sniffed self-righteously against the backdrop of four tragic deaths.

82 posted on 07/25/2005 8:19:53 PM PDT by Orbiter
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To: newzjunkey

Low class response. What is your problem?


83 posted on 07/25/2005 8:26:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: airborne

That's horrible. I went to a Scout Jamboree back in 1973 in Idaho. It was one of the highlights of my life. I hope that, in spite of this terrible tragedy, the Jamboree goes on. It can still touch a lot of young boys's lives.


84 posted on 07/25/2005 8:29:57 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("We must be tolerant and understanding of those trying to blow us to pieces" - Ted Kennedy & Co.)
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To: newzjunkey
So much for 'be prepared'. Another body-blow of needless death to an organization that is held in too high esteem among those on FR.

That's a disgusting comment. You should be ashamed of yourself for spewing garbage like that.
85 posted on 07/25/2005 8:31:52 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("We must be tolerant and understanding of those trying to blow us to pieces" - Ted Kennedy & Co.)
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To: lsee

You have cookies in your freezer??? Please post your address and I will be over shortly with milk, cocoa, and coffee.


86 posted on 07/25/2005 8:45:18 PM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!)
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To: newzjunkey
So much for 'be prepared'. Another body-blow of needless death to an organization that is held in too high esteem among those on FR.

"Too high esteem"???

What, exactly, is your major malfunction?

Of all the various problems this country may have you somehow have construed the Boy Scouts to be one of those problems? Please... please explain...

87 posted on 07/25/2005 8:47:09 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Kathy in Alaska

Thanks for the update and link. What an awful tragedy. Prayers going up for scouts and families.


88 posted on 07/25/2005 8:47:39 PM PDT by octobersky
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To: xzins

I see that others have jumped on you already, so I'll not do a knee-jerk pile-on. Except: I'm another that doesn't see any reason to stop the whole event. A reasonable memorial service is certainly warranted, but the Jamboree should carry on.


89 posted on 07/25/2005 8:51:29 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: newzjunkey
So much for 'be prepared'. Another body-blow of needless death to an organization that is held in too high esteem among those on FR.

I sit here in shocked amazement at the utter stupidity of that comment.

90 posted on 07/25/2005 8:58:12 PM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!)
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To: SandRat

Thanks for posting John Wayne's "break down" of the Scout Law!


91 posted on 07/25/2005 8:59:17 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: rock58seg
You have cookies in your freezer??? Please post your address and I will be over shortly with milk, cocoa, and coffee.

Don't getcher hopes up...Sadly, I'm out of Thin Mints...

***********

newzjunkey, since you're not likely to control or change the esteem others bestow on this (or any other) organization, why behave so trollishly?

92 posted on 07/25/2005 9:01:47 PM PDT by lsee
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To: SandRat; 4woodenboats; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Accountable One; Aeronaut; AKA Elena; ...
Prayer ping.


Rest in Peace
Anchorage Alaska Troop Leaders

My prayers offered for the families and the Boy Scouts under these leaders.

Blessings,
trussell

If you want on/off my prayer ping list, please let me know. All requests happily honored.

93 posted on 07/25/2005 9:08:36 PM PDT by trussell (Prayers for the children!)
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To: SandRat

Thank you for your post #8 - I hadn't seen that before. I would have really enjoyed reading that at my youngest son's Eagle Court of Honor; alas it's 4 yrs too late. I'll keep it for my grandsons'.


94 posted on 07/25/2005 9:22:30 PM PDT by zlala (I used to have a handle on life but it broke.)
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To: SandRat

I join with the others here in prayers for these families and loved ones!


95 posted on 07/25/2005 9:24:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SandRat

Prayers for these men and for their families. And for all the Scouts at the camp!


96 posted on 07/25/2005 9:43:43 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kathy in Alaska

Sadness Kathy. Just Sadness.

Psa 119:76 Let, I pray thee, thy merciful kindness be for my comfort, according to thy word unto thy servant.


97 posted on 07/25/2005 10:00:24 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
Prayers for the Scout leaders and their families send!
98 posted on 07/25/2005 10:05:15 PM PDT by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

You know you're probably right.


99 posted on 07/25/2005 10:05:38 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: ghostcat

Just finished my ticket waiting for the final approval on it.


100 posted on 07/25/2005 10:06:41 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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