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To: SandRat

The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.


3 posted on 07/25/2005 6:21:40 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

Odds are not quite 50%, but close, that I know one of these folks.

The proper thing to do is

A) what the families want to have done

B) without a clear direction from the families continue with the Jamboree in the name of people who gave gladly to these kids for many, many years.

4 posted on 07/25/2005 6:25:12 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: xzins

Very sad, but I don't think they will cancel the Jamboree. My troop attended part of the 1977 Jamboree in Moraine State Park in PA. From a distance, I actually saw a lightening strike hit a tree, and then a scout (he died). The jamboree continued until the end.


5 posted on 07/25/2005 6:25:13 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins

no way life goes on dont let the amps and volts win


6 posted on 07/25/2005 6:25:13 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: xzins
Nope, it will go on. That is part of the Scout Law; Brave - think about it.

John Wayne passed away in June 1979 from cancer. One of his last public appearances, and at this time all knew that the end was near, was at a dinner to benefit a land purchase for a Scout reservation called John Wayne Outpost Camp. At this dinner, the Duke recited the Scout Law. Then he did something unusual, he said “the twelve points of the Scout Law are “nice words.”” “Trouble is,” he continued, “we learn them so young we sometimes don’t get all the understanding that goes with them. I take care of that in my family. As each boy reaches Scout age, I make sure he learns the Scout Law. Then I break it down for him, with a few things I have picked up in more than half a century since I learned it.” Then the Duke proceeded to explain the importance of the Scout Law, breaking it down for the guests at the dinner, much like he would have for his grandson.

TRUSTWORTHY – The badge of honesty. Having it lets you look any man in the eye. Lacking it he won’t look back. Keep this one at the top of your list.

LOYAL – The very word is life itself, for without loyalty we have no love of person or country.

HELPFUL – Part sharing, part caring. By helping each other, we help ourselves, not to mention mankind. Be always full of help – the dying man’s last words.

FRIENDLY – Brotherhood is part of that word. You can take it in a lot of directions – and – do but make sure and start with brotherhood.

COURTEOUS – Allow each person his human dignity which means a lot more than saying “yes ma’am” and “thank you sir.” It reflects an attitude that later in life you wish you had honored more …. earlier in life. Save yourself that trouble. Do it now.

KIND – This one word would stop wars and erase hatreds. But its like your bicycle. Its just no good unless get out and use it.

OBEDIENT – Starts at home. Practice it in your family. Enlarge it in your friends. Share it with humanity.

CHEERFUL – Anyone can put on a happy face when the going is good. The secret is to wear it as a mask for your problems. It might surprise you how many others do the same thing.

THRIFTY – Means a lot more that putting pennies away, and is the opposite of cheap. Common sense covers it just about as well as anything.

BRAVE – You don’t have to fight to be brave. Millions of fine decent folks show more bravery than heavy-weight champs just by getting out of bed every morning, going out to do a good days work and living the best life they know how against the law of odds. Keep the word handy every day of your life.

CLEAN – Soap and water help a lot on the outside. But it is the inside that counts and don’t you ever forget it.

REVERANT – Believe in anything that you want to believe in but keep GOD at the top of it. With him, life can be a beautiful experience. Without him, you are just bidding time.

John Wayne then thanked those in attendance at the dinner for putting his name on the outpost camp and said, “I would rather see it here than on all the theater marquees the world over.”

8 posted on 07/25/2005 6:26:32 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

This old boy scout totally disagrees with you. And I'm quite sure those 4 Scout leaders would disagree with you also.

13 posted on 07/25/2005 6:30:23 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

Uh, why? It is a bad thing to happen. But, the Scouts have been working toward this for years. Why cancel it? Why not carry on with great determination?

It is a life lesson here.

14 posted on 07/25/2005 6:30:35 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: xzins

"The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held."

No, Scouts don't quit like that


15 posted on 07/25/2005 6:31:39 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

Absolutely not xzins. This is not the first time scouts or leaders have died at the Jamboree. The units involved may (and probably should) pack up and go home.

But you're talking more than 40,000 scouts and leaders that come literally from around the world. And putting this one on has been no small feat.

I was an exhibitor at the 2001 Jamboree. My organization opted not to this year for various reasons. One of which was security concerns. The scouts and military have been working for years. Literally since 9/11 to make that place secure.

This is tragic. But it's no cause to give up on such a massive undertaking.

28 posted on 07/25/2005 6:45:08 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: xzins

Sensitive, but wrong!


33 posted on 07/25/2005 6:48:18 PM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: xzins

The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.


I don't understand your rationale in cancelling the jamboree. As the article says, 40,000 kids are participating who likely worked and saved for this big event. Though it's tragic, I don't think any of the four that died would have wanted it cancelled.


34 posted on 07/25/2005 6:48:33 PM PDT by conshack ((Our porous southern border WILL result in another terrorist attack))
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

As those who died did so trying to put on the Jamboree, my guess is that they would want it to go on.

38 posted on 07/25/2005 6:49:41 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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I disagree. There are over 35,000 scouts attending. For many this is a once in a lifetime event. Make sure it is save and continue. My son now regrets he opted out of this event, only two of the older scouts in his troop didn't go.

Unfortunately these leaders may have had sons with them. Prayers up for everyone.

And shame on the ACLU for persecuting the boy scouts. It is the glue that holds many youth on the straight & narrow.


65 posted on 07/25/2005 7:30:05 PM PDT by YankeeGirl (Certa bonum certamen)
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To: xzins
The proper thing is to cancel the Jamboree after a memorial service is held.

I'm with you, x.

Sadly, the "proper thing" gets harder to find every day.

108 posted on 07/25/2005 10:55:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: xzins

Disrupt 40,000+ people for the sake of 4? Why?


134 posted on 07/26/2005 4:19:58 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: xzins
I'd echo what so many others have said -- canceling the Jamboree is not the solution. Over 40,000 Scouts and leaders are involved -- many with fixed-date airline tickets home and at least one year of planning this event under their respective belts. Boys have paid anywhere from $750 (no-frills trips from the Atlantic seaboard) to $4000 (Pacific Northwest) to attend.

The accident was tragic. Although it is possible that the Troop involved may go home (each Jamboree Troop has only four leaders, and the accident apparently killed them all), it's likely that four of the thousands of volunteer Jamboree staff members will step in if requested. Although technically all of those killed were "adults," as stated in the story, one was likely the Third Assistant Scoutmaster who by Jamboree regulation is between 18 and 21 years old. An adult perhaps, but a youth too.

I'm certain there will be respectful moments of silence and/or prayers formally held within each of the 800 Jamboree Troops, at the opening ceremonies, at the religious services held on the Sunday of Jamboree, and perhaps at the closing ceremonies.

I speak as a Jamboree Troop Scoutmaster from 2001, and as someone who was scheduled to be a Jamboree Troop Scoutmaster this year (but who had to drop about two months ago, after 8-10 months of planning, because of a job change). The Scout Spirit will live on through Jamboree, and that Spirit will include respectful prayers for the families of those involved.
151 posted on 07/26/2005 8:24:45 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred)
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