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Boulder Abortion Doctor Fires Back At Protestors
The Denver Channel ^

Posted on 07/26/2005 7:30:52 AM PDT by Millee

The head of the Boulder Abortion Clinic said that an anti-abortion group's neighborhood leaflet campaign is an effort to get him killed.

In a full-page ad published in local newspapers over the weekend, Dr. Warren Hern said the flyers, distributed by a group that calls itself Operation Save America, were designed to cause hate and fear and to get someone to kill him.

As proof, Hern points to other abortion doctors who have been killed after neighborhood flyers identified them.

The flyers labeled Hern a "baby killer" and were placed in the doors of a Boulder neighborhood.

"It's not freedom of speech," said Hern on Monday. "This is terrorism. The purpose of the flyers is to get somebody to kill me."

In his ad, he called the group fascist and said, "They would stop at nothing to impose their views on other people."

A member of Operation Save America disputed Hern's claim and said distribution of the leaflets in the neighborhood was not meant to intimidate Hern with the threat of violence.

"This is certainly not a threat of violence against abortionist Hern, but hopefully it is a wake-up call to him," Joseph Parente told the Colorado Daily newspaper.

The anti-abortion group held a convention in Denver that ended on Saturday. Members of the group, who signed pledges of non-violence, picketed women's health clinics in Boulder, Denver and Colorado Springs.


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The flyers labeled Hern a "baby killer" and were placed in the doors of a Boulder neighborhood.

They called an abortion doctor a baby killer????? Gasp!!! How could they????? (barf)
1 posted on 07/26/2005 7:30:53 AM PDT by Millee
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To: Millee

"picketed women's health clinics"

Picketed what?

What kind of "health clinic" is it where there is a 50% patient mortality rate?


2 posted on 07/26/2005 7:41:20 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Millee
People who hide what they do which they know is wrong, always react this way when exposed.

Although this man is a murderer of the unborn, he is attempting to turn it around and paint the pro-life side in a negative way.

If what he's done is so bad that somebody should want to kill him on account of his exposure, then one would "think" that he would stop doing the thing which is so bad.
3 posted on 07/26/2005 7:42:01 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Millee
Uh-oh. Sounds like someone's lucrative business as a baby buttonman is being impacted.
4 posted on 07/26/2005 7:47:14 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

Just because he kills babies......doen't make him a baby killer, right?


5 posted on 07/26/2005 7:48:06 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: dsc
What kind of "health clinic" is it where there is a 50% patient mortality rate?

Great Comment.
6 posted on 07/26/2005 7:49:38 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Exactly! he likes long hikes in the mountains, a good cabernet, Rockies baseball . . . there's so much more to him than just a suction machine and a pile of infant corpses.


7 posted on 07/26/2005 7:50:23 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Millee

"Dr." Hern is well-known for performing late-term abortions for out of state patients.


8 posted on 07/26/2005 7:52:22 AM PDT by Augie76 ( . . . long-time lurker . . .)
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To: hiredhand
If what he's done is so bad that somebody should want to kill him on account of his exposure, then one would "think" that he would stop doing the thing which is so bad.

oh my...there are so many people who believe President Bush should be dead because what he's doing is wrong (sending Americans to die)...do you want him to stop? Yours is a truly dumb post.

9 posted on 07/26/2005 7:53:42 AM PDT by Hildy ("You miss 100% of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky)
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To: Millee

In his ad, he called the group fascist 

Exactly when did fascism go from a political ideology that threatened the world to a word meaning "someone I don't like"?

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

10 posted on 07/26/2005 7:54:05 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Millee
In his ad, he called the group fascist and said, "They would stop at nothing to impose their views on other people."

Ah, yes, "impose their views on other people", that wonderful, focus group-tested, hackneyed liberal phrase. Rates right up there with their other snide comments, like "shoving blatz down our (throats, wazoos, whatever)". Like I guess being opposed to murder, robbery, rape, child abuse, treason, burglary, embezzlement, etc. is "imposing your views on others".

Hey, give the libs credit. They know their focus groups, and if slaughtering millions of unborn children every year is what is popular among focus groups, the libs will go with it, especially since it avoids "shoving down our throats" quaint notions like cherishing life, and having some sense of responsibility for one's actions when choosing to engage in activity that can lead to procreation. When one lives in a moral vacuum, relying on focus groups to define your morality is about the best you can do. Talk about fascist...

11 posted on 07/26/2005 7:54:16 AM PDT by chimera
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To: Millee

The pro-lifers are taking the battle into Boulder, a big college town and accordingly enemy territory. Good for them!


13 posted on 07/26/2005 7:58:41 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Owl_Eagle

"Exactly when did fascism go from a political ideology that threatened the world to a word meaning "someone I don't like"?

March 11, 1967, at 11:15 a.m.


14 posted on 07/26/2005 8:00:27 AM PDT by dsc
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To: wideawake
Exactly! he likes long hikes in the mountains, a good cabernet, Rockies baseball . . . there's so much more to him than just a suction machine and a pile of infant corpses.

LOL

15 posted on 07/26/2005 8:02:53 AM PDT by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: Millee
Frank Gannon, P.I. P.I.: Politically Incorrect Private Investigator. -- Saturday Night Live

FRANK GANNON, P.I. P.I.: "Ah, now let's have a look at the damage.. [ looks around, taking notes ] Hmm.. ahh.. it's terrible. Well, you're lucky about one thing - at least whoever did his had the decency to leave the Baby Killer sign untouched."

DR. MCANDREWS: "Sign? What are you talking about, sign?"

FRANK GANNON, P.I. P.I.: "Well, you know, your sign that says what you do here at the clinic." [ points to "Baby Killers" graffiti on the wall ]

DR. MCANDREWS: "That isn't a sign! That's a criminal act! An outrage!"

FRANK GANNON, P.I. P.I.: "Well, you know, I admit that that.. "S" in "Killers" is a little crooked.. but, uh.. look - I'm not here to argue the asthetics of the sign. I'm here to solve a crime..."


16 posted on 07/26/2005 8:05:22 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: Hildy
...couldn't leave well enough alone without dragging the CINC into it eh? What's up with that?

I was trying to contrast the difference between people who actually know right from wrong, and those who don't.

But you obviously didn't "get it".
17 posted on 07/26/2005 8:08:15 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Millee
Many of these abortionists make seven figure incomes. In an extremely wealthy area like Boulder, with a huge University nearby, I would be surprised if this creep made less than $1 million per year.

The protesters must be having an effect on this dude's income. Hence the hystrionics.

18 posted on 07/26/2005 8:09:09 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: dsc

Central, Standard, Mountain, GMT?


19 posted on 07/26/2005 8:10:16 AM PDT by flada (Y2K? What are you selling, chicken or sex jelly?)
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To: Hildy; hiredhand
oh my...there are so many people who believe President Bush should be dead because what he's doing is wrong (sending Americans to die)...do you want him to stop? Yours is a truly dumb post.

You equate helpless infants still in the womb with grown men and women who FREELY CHOOSE to enlist and fight for their country - then accuse hiredhand of a dumb post??

Geesh!

20 posted on 07/26/2005 8:11:57 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am NOT a *legal entity* nor am I a ~person~ as created by 'law'!!)
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To: hiredhand

ABORTION IS LEGAL. Threatening people's lives isn't. You obviously don't GET IT.


21 posted on 07/26/2005 8:12:42 AM PDT by Hildy ("You miss 100% of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky)
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To: Millee

In stead of "baby killer" should we call him "baby dismember"?


22 posted on 07/26/2005 8:17:33 AM PDT by roylene
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To: MamaTexan; Hildy
You equate helpless infants still in the womb with grown men and women who FREELY CHOOSE to enlist and fight for their country - then accuse hiredhand of a dumb post??

Geesh!


I've re-read what I wrote. I have a valid point. Not only that, but I DID say that those who do wrong things react badly when exposed. This doesn't exactly describe GWB with respect to current hostilities in Iraq.

Hildy - What's your point?
23 posted on 07/26/2005 8:17:57 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Hildy
ABORTION IS LEGAL. Threatening people's lives isn't. You obviously don't GET IT.

I wasn't talking about what was legal, or illegal. I was talking about what was right, and wrong.

The law is easy. It's written down. So long as you can read, or have it read to you, it's comprehendible. But a sense of right and wrong isn't the same. It's like the difference between mercy and justice.

I'm certain that you understand justice, but have doubts that you understand mercy.
24 posted on 07/26/2005 8:21:32 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: flada

Since we're talking about leftists, Lunar, obviously.


25 posted on 07/26/2005 8:22:52 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

I'll health clinic. No one is sick when they arrive, but half leave dead.


26 posted on 07/26/2005 8:23:25 AM PDT by anton
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To: dsc; Coleus; firebrand; jwalsh07
What kind of "health clinic" is it where there is a 50% patient mortality rate?

Excellent comment.

27 posted on 07/26/2005 8:24:32 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Hildy
ABORTION IS LEGAL. Threatening people's lives isn't. You obviously don't GET IT

Abortion IS legal. So was slavery at one time, but it didn't make it right. Both are wrongheaded and evil, and neither deserve a place in a modern, civilized society. I doubt there is anything in those flyers that advocate violence against the Doctor, although there are always elements looking for the slightest pretext to do so, and they will act whether or not someone posts a flyer on their door.

You'll find the vast majority of those in the pro-life movement vehemently oppose the murder of abortion clinic personnel. Our goal is to save life, not take it.
28 posted on 07/26/2005 8:37:46 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("We must be tolerant and understanding of those trying to blow us to pieces" - Ted Kennedy & Co.)
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To: Millee
Dr. Warren Hern said the flyers, distributed by a group that calls itself Operation Save America, were designed to cause hate and fear and to get someone to kill him.

He's the guy who's killing babies, right? Just checking.

29 posted on 07/26/2005 8:43:21 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: hiredhand; MamaTexan; Hildy

PMJI, but the point as I see it is that there is a difference between pushing a little old lady out of the path of a speeding bus and pushing a little old lady into the path of a speeding bus.

People who would like to see Bush dead for defending Christendom against Islam's war on civilization are failing to make that distinction.

Their wrongheaded opinions are not on the same moral plane with those of people who oppose abortion, and need be accorded neither credibility nor courtesy.

Allow me to restate the earlier exchange in accordance with that view.

hiredhand (restated):
"If decent, reasonable people become so angry at your actions that you are afraid for your safety, perhaps you should think about what you're doing."

Hildy (restated):
"But utter scumbags who are completely wrong, malicious, and unreasonable become so angry at decent people for doing good things that they wish the decent people dead, so your argument fails."

There is, in my view, no reason to treat the bone-headed, mean-spirited, and utterly lunatic ravings of leftists as if they were possessed of the slightest validity or utility. They can be mocked, reviled, or ignored, certainly, but error can never stand in rebuttal of truth.

(Of course, God forbids murder, so all people are strictly forbidden to take the lives of baby-killers.)


30 posted on 07/26/2005 8:43:25 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
What kind of "health clinic" is it where there is a 50% patient mortality rate?

Ah, but how can it be a 50% mortality rate when you don't acknowledge that the victims are even human? Abortioneers view it no differently than an appendectomy.

31 posted on 07/26/2005 8:46:20 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Junior_G

"Abortioneers view it"

I think my #30 speaks to that point.


32 posted on 07/26/2005 8:47:38 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Owl_Eagle
Exactly when did fascism go from a political ideology that threatened the world to a word meaning "someone I don't like"?

A question truly reflective of the age we live in. I may have to use it.

33 posted on 07/26/2005 8:48:31 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: hiredhand
People who hide what they do which they know is wrong, always react this way when exposed.Although this man is a murderer of the unborn, he is attempting to turn it around and paint the pro-life side in a negative way.If what he's done is so bad that somebody should want to kill him on account of his exposure, then one would "think" that he would stop doing the thing which is so bad.

Here's these nice civic-minded, door-to-door volunteers trying to give the 'doc' some free advertising, and he objects! I'm trying to think what would be the reaction of the average real doctor if folks went around neighborhoods and gave that doc some exposure of what his specialty is.

I don't exactly think Hern is complaining about the lack of professional quality of his mug shot on the leaflets.

34 posted on 07/26/2005 8:50:51 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Millee
Keep up the prayers and picketing! They work!

Lawrence (KS) abortion clinic closes because of funding woes

Eugene abortion clinic closes; surprising many (Hooray !!!)

Prayer credited for closing of abortion clinic [Eugene, OR]

Planned Parenthood will shut down 3 clinics [Indiana]

Persevering Students Help Close Abortion Clinic [Santa Paula, CA--Thomas Aquinas College]

Abortion Clinic Managers Quit After Being Outed by Operation Rescue [Wichita, Kansas]

One Man's God Squad: Troy Newman's plan to stop abortions in Wichita, Kansas

Baby Saved From Abortion is Baptized [New Orleans]

Thank You Bishop Rhoades: A Personal Account of An Abortion Protest With A Catholic Bishop -- still praying -- Harrisburg, PA

35 posted on 07/26/2005 8:53:26 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: dsc
Well said. This is all an issue of "correctness of thinking", or NOT....in God's view. As I stated earlier, it's a contrast in mercy versus justice.

Although justice can be "correct", mercy is better than justice. This sort of brings to mind the scripture which talks about people who's feet are swift to shed blood. I can't remember it off the top.

My 15 year old said something that's stuck with me. He said, "You can never go wrong by choosing NOT kill the unborn. It's a SAFE decision. Whereas if a person justifies the alternative, he/she becomes guilty of murder."
36 posted on 07/26/2005 9:03:10 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Colofornian
I personally know 3 doctors. Their reputation is very important to them.

This guy who's been exposed has probably rationalized that what he's doing isn't wrong....although he's probably aware that it isn't quite right either.

It's a demonic response to lash out in hate when exposed.

Notice how the left constantly digs up the smallest little thing against Christians and conservatives, but they react with hate when it's turned around on them.

My wife has a good question...goes like this..."When you get squeezed, what comes out?" When the left gets squeezed, very bad stuff comes out!
37 posted on 07/26/2005 9:09:22 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand

"mercy is better than justice"

Ever read Shakespeare on that? Merchant of Venice, Act 4 Scene 1, Portia to Shylock?

The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest: it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
To mitigate the justice of thy plea;
Which if thou follow, this strict court of Venice
Must needs give sentence 'gainst the merchant there.


38 posted on 07/26/2005 9:16:31 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
It's been YEARS since I've read that! :-) Shakespeare summed it up well.

I've been in discussion with others around me lately about mercy/justice. Justice is "it's own end". Those in positions of power are placed there by God, and justice is "complete" when metted out. The law is the law and has very finite boundaries. Even complex laws are comprehendible.

But mercy is almost hard for most of us to truly understand. Mercy given causes a continuation of itself. NOT at all like justice! Even if the receiver should go so far as to kill the giver of mercy, the witnesses who are present are still powerfully affected by the extension of mercy.

Yes..."It blesseth him that gives and him that takes: "
39 posted on 07/26/2005 9:27:08 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Hildy; hiredhand; ninenot; sittnick
Calling "Doctor" Hern a killer is an accurate statement of fact and not a threat of any sort.

Freedom of speech, which protects not merely public recitations of Mary Had a Little Lamb but also statements of fact, among manyother kinds of statements, is right there explicitly stated in the First Amendment for even pro-aborts and SCOTUS justices to see and read if they have a constitution, some reading lessons and reading glasses as necessary.

Slicing, dicing and hamburgerizing 1.5 million innocent unborn babies cannot be found under protected constitutional rights in the constitution, not under abortion, not under "termination of pregnancy", not under convenience killing, not under agist discriminatory killing, not under mercy killing, not under slicing, not under dicing and not under hamburgerization. If you disagree, please cite the appropriate portion of the constitution and its SPECIFIC LANGUAGE.

Of course, you are also arguing that threatening to kill is illegal (not that brochures identifying Killer Hern as what he is ought be construed as a threat), but that actual killing by Killer Hern is an afternoon in the park if not actually praiseworthy.

And, NO, it doesn't matter if a handful of lawless elitists in black robes on SCOTUS CLAIM it is legal to mass assassinate the innocent unborn any more than it mattered that Hitler had the collaboration of HIS courts in the slaughter of the innocent. Abortion is less acceptable than slavery because most slaves were allowed to live, however miserably. The Dred Scott case exceeded the authority of the SCOTUS and so did Roe vs. Wade. By whatever means necessary, Roe vs. Wade will be removed as Scalia has so eloquently written.

40 posted on 07/26/2005 9:34:12 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Hildy
oh my...there are so many people who believe President Bush should be dead because what he's doing is wrong (sending Americans to die)...do you want him to stop? Yours is a truly dumb post.

Yours is truly a disgusting post. Bush is not sending people to die, he is sending them to defend life.

Those people who believe Bush should be dead are mostly selfish people who would not act unless THEY were threatened.

People like that are only interested in their convenience, that is why they feel that killing their own (unborn) child is a personal choice.

Even cockroaches have an instinct to protect their offspring.

41 posted on 07/26/2005 9:46:39 AM PDT by oldbrowser (The MSM is a cancer on our society)
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To: BlackElk
I'm relatively new to the forums (3 posts or so) but I've been reading for 6 months give or take. I've seen a fair few posts on abortion here and just wanted to ask the people that have already posted here to elaborate on their stances a little. I'm not trying to troll and if this is a touchy subject, or I'm out of line in any way send me a message or pull the post. I guess in short, I'm not trying to ruffle feathers. The question I have is are you apposed to all abortion, or just late term, or any other qualifier. Or to list a few examples, what about those who are raped, or victims of incest? What about mothers who are told that it's the child's life or her own?
42 posted on 07/26/2005 11:07:52 AM PDT by fmonkey
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To: oldbrowser
Yours is truly a disgusting post. Bush is not sending people to die

Like you say, murder is murder.

43 posted on 07/26/2005 11:48:58 AM PDT by Hildy ("You miss 100% of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky)
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To: hiredhand

I have some lovely daughters. Wanna arrange a FReeper marriage? : )


44 posted on 07/26/2005 11:52:38 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Just one more reason to hate the government....)
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To: oldbrowser
Even cockroaches have an instinct to protect their offspring.

SOME cockroaches.

Other cockroaches lead NARAL, Planned Barrenhood, and become abortionists.

45 posted on 07/26/2005 11:56:31 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: hiredhand

One must know the difference between right and wrong to "get it." It's apparently so obvious to you, that you just assume everyone knows. Some don't. Some never will.


46 posted on 07/26/2005 11:57:59 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Politicalmom
Wow... now THAT'S a prospect! I tell you what...you keep in touch...and we'll ask the Lord's will for our youngsters, and who knows?! Maybe we'll end up being in-laws! :-)

...HH
47 posted on 07/26/2005 12:02:15 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: BykrBayb
Yes. I know you're correct. Our brains just don't work this way. Somebody (actually another Freeper!) pointed me to Peter's Second Epistle the other day, and so I read it the other night. It reads like a continuation of Paul's letter to the Romans...specifically Romans 1, 12-27 or so.

Anyway, I was reading 2nd Peter, and he writes -

12 "But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption..."

If you go on down to 18 (which talks about deceptions of false teachers) it practically describes the politcal left in this nation today.

It says,

18 "For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error."

19 "While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bindage."

20 "For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning."

The more I study the P'rushim (Pharisees), which were the leftists of two thousand years ago. It seems to me that the left of today hasn't changed a whole lot.
48 posted on 07/26/2005 12:18:05 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Millee
"...an effort to get him killed....Well, I suppose he could always stop what he's doing if he's really that worried about it.
49 posted on 07/26/2005 12:23:27 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (So I took the $250,000 and bought chairs for the standing army.)
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To: chimera

That is a very good post.


50 posted on 07/26/2005 12:25:54 PM PDT by Skooz (Political Correctness will eventually destroy America)
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