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'Pulsa denura' invoked against Sharon
Jerusalem Post ^ | July 26, 2005 | Yaakov Katz

Posted on 07/26/2005 9:33:31 AM PDT by Alouette

Far-right activists instigated a pulsa denura - Aramaic for 'lashes of fire' - death curse against Prime Minister Ariel Sharon last Thursday night in an effort to thwart the upcoming disengagement plan.

The ceremony was held late Thursday night at the gravesite of Shlomo Ben-Yosef, a Betar member who was hanged by the British in 1938 for firing on an Arab bus in protest of numerous attacks by Arabs on Jewish targets.

Twenty married men, including rabbis and kabalists, participated in the ceremony. All 20, including Yosef Dayan - who instigated the same curse several months prior to the assassination of former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin - assembled at the gravesite, which is located near Safed.

Each man immersed himself in the mikve (ritual bath) before donning black garb and beginning to chant.

They had received permission to invoke the pulsa denura from a host of rabbis and kabalists, who said it was the appropriate time to resort to using the curse.

Far-right activist Michael Ben-Horin explained that the point of the curse was to exempt a human from having to kill Ariel Sharon, allowing "the angels of destructions" to do it instead.

Baruch Ben Yosef, a far-right activist who participated in the ceremony, told The Jerusalem Post that "The ten men prayed to god for him to rid us of the evil murderous dictator [Sharon].

Ben Yosef said that the gravesite was chosen because, "Shlomo was the antithesis of a Sharon."

"Ben Yosef gave his life for the Jewish people and refused to recognize the British government, while Sharon does everything for himself," Ben Yosef declared.

Attorney-General Menahem Mazuz has decided in the past not to launch criminal investigations into rabbis who have instigated the death curse.

Mazuz's decision was based on a previous court ruling in the matter of Avigdor Askin, in which it was decided that the pulsa denura curse ceremony does not constitute a criminal offense.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: curseofdeath; disengagement; kabbalah; pulsadenura; sharon; tonguesoffire; voodoo
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1 posted on 07/26/2005 9:33:32 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette

Wow. Just wow.


2 posted on 07/26/2005 9:36:02 AM PDT by thoolou (Politics--The last refuge of the nincompoop. - Berke Breathed)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; adam_az; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; ...
A Pulsa de Nura is not a fatwa. It is not an incitement to assassination but an imprecation for the target to drop dead of natural causes, like cancer, stroke, heart attack, or tsunami.

If the person being put under the Pulsa de Nura is not deserving of the death penalty, the curse will boomerang on those who made it.

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

3 posted on 07/26/2005 9:37:15 AM PDT by Alouette (Jews don't expel Jews -- Americans don't appease terrorists.)
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To: Alouette

And so begins the Covenant With Death.


4 posted on 07/26/2005 9:38:21 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Alouette

Wing nuts are forever wing nuts.


5 posted on 07/26/2005 9:39:04 AM PDT by verity (Big Dick Durbin is still a POS)
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To: Alouette
Shin Bet doesn't have to discredit the ultra-nationalists. They do a pretty good job on their own.

Considering the circumstances of the Rabin assasination, I'm suprised the AG is letting them off clean.

-Eric

6 posted on 07/26/2005 9:39:30 AM PDT by E Rocc (Nuking Mecca in response to Al Qaeda is like nuking Karl Marx's grave in response to communists)
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To: Alouette
>It is not an incitement to assassination but an imprecation for the target to drop dead of natural causes, like cancer, stroke, heart attack, or tsunami. If the person being put under the Pulsa de Nura is not deserving of the death penalty, the curse will boomerang on those who made it


Yeah. That's gonna help.
Jews doing ersatz witchcraft
will fix everything . . .

7 posted on 07/26/2005 9:42:59 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: E Rocc

" Considering the circumstances of the Rabin assasination, I'm suprised the AG is letting them off clean"

Considering the results of Rabin's Oslo Accord, I'm surprised that the Israelis haven't outright revolted against Sharon.


8 posted on 07/26/2005 9:44:28 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Alouette

Well, pins and a wax (or still better cloth pin cushion) effigy used to work equally well.


9 posted on 07/26/2005 9:45:24 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Alouette
"If the person being put under the Pulsa de Nura is not deserving of the death penalty, the curse will boomerang on those who made it."

...unless, of course, the ceremony was videotaped, in which case they would have seven days to distribute it to an unwary stranger who in turn, would have seven days to keep the curse alive...

"Seven days..."
10 posted on 07/26/2005 9:45:42 AM PDT by baltodog (R.I.P. Balto: 2001(?) - 2005)
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To: theFIRMbss

"Jews doing ersatz witchcraft will fix everything"

Calling on the God of Israel to place a curse upon those who would divide the land is as far removed from witchcraft as anything could possibly be.


11 posted on 07/26/2005 9:46:15 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: verity
..dealing with wing nuts!

Thank you, we all need to get on the same page with what we're dealing with.

These people are nuts, they will never be not nuts, they have to go! P E R I O D ! !

Until we all get smart enough not to run back into the burning barn of "Trying to reason with rock worshipers" this crap will never end.

I'd like it to end so we can all move forward.

Is anyone else tired of the burning barn, or is it just me?

12 posted on 07/26/2005 9:47:38 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: E Rocc
I'm suprised the AG is letting them off clean.

You probably think the A.G. should investigate every old Jew who mutters, "That Sharon! I hope he gets cancer!" or "Ah klug af em! Zol er krenken in di hent un fiss un nit kenen ufshteyn!" or "Er zoll plotzen fun invenig un shtarben oyfen ort!"

13 posted on 07/26/2005 9:50:46 AM PDT by Alouette (Jews don't expel Jews -- Americans don't appease terrorists.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yeah!!It sounds more like VooDoo.


14 posted on 07/26/2005 9:51:09 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Alouette

or Sharon...ah finster in yor...


15 posted on 07/26/2005 9:54:01 AM PDT by sofaman
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To: adam_az

16 posted on 07/26/2005 9:57:02 AM PDT by Alouette (Jews don't expel Jews -- Americans don't appease terrorists.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Bears repeating!

Calling on the God of Israel to place a curse upon those who would divide the land is as far removed from witchcraft as anything could possibly be.
17 posted on 07/26/2005 10:05:21 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Alouette

Israel in the Time of Sharon:

Last update - 19:48 26/07/2005

Shin Bet may put far-right leaders in administrative detention

By Gideon Alon, Haaretz Correspondent


The Shin Bet domestic security service is considering placing leaders of extreme right-wing movements in administrative detention prior to Israel's disengagement from the Gaza Strip and northern West Bank, agency chief Yuval Diskin told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee on Tuesday.

AND

Diskin: Pullout may come under fire
Diskin also told the committee on Tuesday that there is a 50 percent chance that security forces carrying out the disengagement will come under fire by Palestinian terrorist organizations.


18 posted on 07/26/2005 10:07:49 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: Alouette

Israel needs to be united, not divided. Enemies surround you. Put enmity aside and pull together.


19 posted on 07/26/2005 10:10:05 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Alouette

Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. The anti-disengagement crowd is sinking mighty low with this stupid stunt.


20 posted on 07/26/2005 10:29:41 AM PDT by steel_resolve
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
21 posted on 07/26/2005 10:52:54 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Sabramerican

Does Sharon think he can lock everbody up? If so, start with the terrorist palesimians!


22 posted on 07/26/2005 10:53:17 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Alouette

Twenty thousand plus protesting the withdrawl the other day, and now they'll be defined as terrorist equivalents by the press and some Freepers by the actions of twenty.


23 posted on 07/26/2005 11:03:19 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: sgtbono2002

"It sounds more like VooDoo."

African animism and human sacrifice, all rolled into a peculiar symbolism derived from Catholic belief? Hardly.


24 posted on 07/26/2005 11:11:35 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Alouette

I don't think he deserves to drop dead, I think he deserves for his government to fall. Same with Blair and every other government that sucks up to terrorists. Same with Bush, but I'm afraid we're stuck with him. We can marginalize and make him a lame duck though.


25 posted on 07/26/2005 11:14:34 AM PDT by johnb838 (Turn The Tables, Terrorize The Terrorists.)
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To: SJackson

The press defines the entire Nation of Israel as Terrorist Equivalents.

I support the resistors. THEN I support Israel. I support the falling of the government of the disgraced traitor Sharon and his replacement with someone who is willing to stand up to the United States and fight the Palestinian garbage who would destroy the Homeland. This is ridiculous.


26 posted on 07/26/2005 11:19:05 AM PDT by johnb838 (Turn The Tables, Terrorize The Terrorists.)
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To: johnb838
I support the falling of the government of the disgraced traitor Sharon and his replacement with someone who is willing to stand up to the United States and fight the Palestinian garbage who would destroy the Homeland. This is ridiculous.

That takes a simple majority vote in the Knesset. Thus far it's not there.

27 posted on 07/26/2005 11:20:17 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: johnb838

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon

I don't know what Sharon is up to, but I do know that the man has been a patriot and has spent virtually his entire life fighting, sometimes ruthlessly, for Israel. He began at age 14.

Whatever his plan, I am convinced it is for the good of Israel, perhaps just an opportunity to concentrate a bunch of terrorists and nuke them out of existence.

He is neither a coward nor an appeaser.

This is one tough old coot, and his people should unite behind him.


28 posted on 07/26/2005 11:24:52 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: verity
Wing nuts are forever wing nuts.

You seem to be an expert on wingnuts.

Let me ask you this: If you were an Israeli, just how would you feel about your president forking over land to the very people that have vowed to kill you?

I'm one disgusted Catholic commenting on this abomination.

29 posted on 07/26/2005 11:41:41 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (UR 0wN3D: USSC-2005)
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To: Jedidah
This is one tough old coot, and his people should unite behind him.

Absolutely. I think that a casino in Gaza would make him and his cronies a lot of big money. That'll bring some unity; especially in his bank account.

30 posted on 07/26/2005 11:52:25 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: SJackson
For those who are interested.
31 posted on 07/26/2005 11:53:00 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Jedidah

Obviously he has a little more time. Benedict Arnold was the greatest hero of the American Revolution. He is only remembered for being a traitor. But he was a HUGE hero, bigger than Washington.

I go back and forth on Arik. Sometimes I think he's going to pull off a huge coup here. Other times I think that if he thinks he's going to acheive anything by giving up territory that Jews have bought with their blood he is mad.

Today I am tending toward mad.


32 posted on 07/26/2005 11:54:11 AM PDT by johnb838 (Turn The Tables, Terrorize The Terrorists.)
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To: E Rocc
Shin Bet doesn't have to discredit the ultra-nationalists. They do a pretty good job on their own.

Precisely. This is way outside the mainstream of Israeli thinking and even of Orthodox Jewish thinking. To wish Sharon dead... I don't even wish ill on Yossi Beilin or Yossi Sarid. I just wish them an early and enjoyable retirement outside of Israeli political life. I feel the same way about Benny Elon and Avigdor Lieberman. A nice, peaceful retirement.

33 posted on 07/26/2005 12:00:03 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
If you were an Israeli, just how would you feel about your president forking over land to the very people that have vowed to kill you?

I am an Israeli so I will answer this. It's their land, not ours. Over a million hostile Arabs live there. Prior to 1948 there was almost no Jewish population there at all. There had never been a significant Jewish population there through much of history. Yes, it is part of the promised land and we will have it when moshiach comes. For now, though, to keep 6,000 Jews isolated in the midst of so many Arabs simply does not make sense. We need secure borders.

34 posted on 07/26/2005 12:02:52 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: Jedidah

Thank you. I wish more people knew what the Prime Minister has done for Israel over the years. He is doing what makes sense in strategic terms. He is ever the old General.


35 posted on 07/26/2005 12:06:41 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: SJackson

I read the PDF, thanks for the link. So, either there actually is someone who received oral instruction on how to perform this Pulsa D'Nora, or there is not, according to the author. This makes the following, from the original post, more interesting:

"All 20, including Yosef Dayan - who instigated the same curse several months prior to the assassination of former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin - assembled at the gravesite, which is located near Safed.'

Dayan - any connection to Moishe Dayan? If this claim, that Yosef Dayan "instigated" this Pulsa D'Nora months prior to the death of Yitzhak Rabin, is accurate, then accordingly he has been judged as righteous, else he would have brought death upon himself. Or, he could be lying. Or, the religion is false. One of the three. I'll reject the latter out of hand, and will say that if he is lying, he has deceived some very devout and outspoken people.


36 posted on 07/26/2005 12:08:56 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Sabramerican
1Samuel 7:8 And the children of Israel said to Samuel, Cease NOT to cry unto the LORD our God for us, that HE WILL SAVE US out of the hand of the Philistines.

2Samuel 22:7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and HE DID HEAR MY VOICE out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.
37 posted on 07/26/2005 12:19:58 PM PDT by Esther Ruth (I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel. 1Kings6:13)
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To: anotherview
Shin Bet doesn't have to discredit the ultra-nationalists. They do a pretty good job on their own.

Precisely. This is way outside the mainstream of Israeli thinking and even of Orthodox Jewish thinking. To wish Sharon dead... I don't even wish ill on Yossi Beilin or Yossi Sarid. I just wish them an early and enjoyable retirement outside of Israeli political life. I feel the same way about Benny Elon and Avigdor Lieberman. A nice, peaceful retirement.

. I'm not certain, but I'm about 99% sure that if you do something like this in the US towards the President, you get to have a chat with the Secret Service. I am certain that if this was Muslims, we'd be hearing all sorts of comments about the "religion of peace".

-Eric

38 posted on 07/26/2005 12:22:36 PM PDT by E Rocc (Nuking Mecca in response to Al Qaeda is like nuking Karl Marx's grave in response to communists)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I have sufficient expertise to suspect you are a wingnut.


39 posted on 07/26/2005 12:23:17 PM PDT by verity (Big Dick Durbin is still a POS)
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To: E Rocc
"To wish Sharon dead"

If the description in the PDF link is correct, to call this a death wish is simplistic. It's actually more of a plea for immediate judgment upon an individual viewed as a threat, a traitor. The consequence, if the individual doing the entreating is wrong, i e divine judgment finds the subject of Pulsa D'Nora to be righteous, then judgment befalls the plaintiff (for lack of a better word). Assuming one actually believes this, it is no minor undertaking, because if you're wrong, you yourself are dead.
40 posted on 07/26/2005 12:29:32 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: anotherview
Thank you. I wish more people knew what the Prime Minister has done for Israel over the years. He is doing what makes sense in strategic terms. He is ever the old General.

Nevertheless, the phrase Arik Melech Yisrael! now takes on a newer, less-complimentary connotation. And remember that Sharon had a Russian mother.

41 posted on 07/26/2005 1:10:56 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy

Mr. Spock, set phasers for "Pulsa Denura"


42 posted on 07/26/2005 1:15:55 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Many Democrats are not weak Americans. But nearly all weak Americans are Democrats.)
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To: johnb838
I go back and forth on Arik. Sometimes I think he's going to pull off a huge coup here. Other times I think that if he thinks he's going to acheive anything by giving up territory that Jews have bought with their blood he is mad.

Today I am tending toward mad.

I see two possibilities: one, that Sharon is reacting to an internationalist/globalist threat to comply or be treated as Saddam's Iraq was, without the possibility of support from the USA. Under such pressure, Sharon's actions may be understandable if not forgivable.

The other possibility might be an intention to let the Palistinians have their *homeland* safe havens, from which an atrocious attack on Israel will eventually follow, thence to be met with a full invasion by the Israeli military and permanent annexation of the territories from which the attacks were launched as a war gain by the State of Israel. That might have some justification in terms of world opinion, but the U.N. is so corrupt that any proceedings there are probably moot, and the globalist dominated world media will never show Israel in any positive light.

43 posted on 07/26/2005 1:19:59 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

wow, you gave me the shivers...


44 posted on 07/26/2005 1:25:00 PM PDT by notfondajane (I did think Barbarella was kinda cool though.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
African animism and human sacrifice, all rolled into a peculiar symbolism derived from Catholic belief? Hardly.

I believe the Vietnamese Cao Dai variation of Roman Catholicism was considered by Rome to not be heretical, despite the Asian influences of ancestor worship and the interesting beatification of Victor Hugo as a saint by Cao Dai adherents, as well as their belief that that the God of Christians and Jews is also the Supreme Being of the Buddhists, and the Brahmnan of the Hindu.

If that doesn't quite include the vodun/voodoo practices of human sacrifice, it's at least balanced by at least some influences of Asian animism and nits. And if Rome hasn't yet accepted West African influences into their theology, there's an awful wide ground between Russian Orthodoxy and Cao Daism, and I wouldn't take any bets as to what might be accepted next.


45 posted on 07/26/2005 1:36:36 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: anotherview

Okay, I can agree with that, but what happens in 20 years? They won't be happy until you're all floating around in house boats. : (


46 posted on 07/26/2005 1:43:44 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (UR 0wN3D: USSC-2005)
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To: verity

Yup, takes one to know one.


47 posted on 07/26/2005 1:45:43 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (UR 0wN3D: USSC-2005)
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To: archy

"And remember that Sharon had a Russian mother."

Referencing what, Gog?


48 posted on 07/26/2005 2:02:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: sheik yerbouty
Does Sharon think he can lock everbody up? If so, start with the terrorist palesimians!

Indeed. Enough with this monkeying around...

49 posted on 07/26/2005 2:16:26 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Alouette; Jeremiah Jr; sheik yerbouty; Lijahsbubbe
A Pulsa de Nura is not a fatwa. It is not an incitement to assassination but an imprecation for the target to drop dead of natural causes, like cancer, stroke, heart attack, or tsunami.

Isn't that the supposed origin of the Kennedy curse?

On a trip back to the United States, aboard an ocean liner that was also carrying Israel Jacobson, a poor Lubavitcher rabbi, and six of his yeshiva students, who were fleeing the Nazis, [Joseph] Kennedy complained to the ship's captain about the distracting noises caused by the Jewish passengers praying on the high holy days of Rosh Hashanah, demanding that they be forbidden to continue exercises so distracting to fellow passengers. "Rabbi Jacobson put a curse on Kennedy, damning him and all his male offspring to tragic fates."

LINK

50 posted on 07/26/2005 2:23:06 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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