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Loving Big Brother (London Police Shooting)
The New American ^ | 07.26.05 | William Norman Grigg

Posted on 07/26/2005 10:36:38 PM PDT by Coleus

Loving Big Brother
by William Norman Grigg
July 26, 2005
 

The killing of Jean Charles de Meneze by London police, who wrongly suspected Meneze of being a suicide bomber, demonstrated the folly of giving police a license to kill on the basis of suspicion. Yet some neoconservatives "love" this and other Big Brother policies.

The July 22 shooting death of Brazilian electrician Jean Charles de Menezes at the hands of plainclothes London police left Fox News commentator John Gibson swooning with admiration.

"I love the way the Brits have 10 million cameras sticking up the nose of every citizen no matter where they are, except in the loo [bathroom]," exulted the host of the Fox program "The Big Story." "What is also good is the Brit police tactics that we saw at work in the subway Friday morning. The tackle and kill team is incredible, if for no other reason than their bravery. Can you imagine the job of those cops? Tackle the guy wearing a vest bomb and hope your colleague is right behind with the gun to put five bullets in the noggin before he sets off the bomb."

The problem is, the Brazilian national didn’t have a bomb, wasn’t connected in any way to the terrorists responsible for recent attacks in London, was in the country legally, and hadn’t been involved in any illegal activities of any kind. Much of this was known at the time Gibson wrote his mash note to the British cops just hours after the event. Still, he continued, one has to admire "the cojones of those Brit cops to go after him like that…. Five in the noggin is fine. Don’t complain that sounds barbaric. We’re fighting barbaric."

Gibson, like many other neo-"conservative" media figures, is a nebbishy pencil-neck whose pipe-cleaner arms would snap like dry twigs if he were forced to perform a push-up. It’s tempting to say Gibson’s essay, riddled with unconvincing tough-guy slang, represents what Dr. Thomas Fleming calls "vicarious masculinity." More serious than Gibson’s man-crush on British counter-terrorism cops is his unbuttoned embrace of totalitarian police state tactics – a type of behavior becoming very common among Bush’s conservative followers.

The lethal tactics extolled by Gibson ("five in the noggin" first, ask questions later) were taught to British counter-terrorism police by Israel’s National Police (INP), and the Israeli Security Service, Shin Bet. Notes Canadian international affairs analyst Michel Chossudovsky: "The shoot to kill policy was undertaken under the auspices of `Operation Kratos,’ named after the mythical Spartan hero. It was carried out by the London Metropolitan's elite SO19 firearms unit often referred to as the Blue Berets…. The training of the S019 marksmen was patterned on that of Israel." According to The July 23 Scottish Daily Record, S019 had been briefed "by officers who had been to Israel to meet their counterparts there and pick up tips gleaned from the experience of dealing with Hamas bombers."

Chossudovsky also points out that "Israel has also collaborated in the training of members of the FBI and the LAPD." A report in the July 15 Houston Chronicle documents that "the combat-garbed men patrolling light rail stations and bus transit centers" in Texas, individuals who "look like soldiers, but their uniforms say POLICE" have also received specialized training by Israeli counter-terrorism specialists.

In Houston, officers of the Special Operations Response Team (SORT) consists of "16 Metro police officers and two sergeants [who have] trained with `experts from Israel’ as well as from the FBI, Transportation Security Administration and several U.S. transit agencies," reported the Chronicle. The team "was formed shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks … but had not been deployed in public until the July 7 terrorist bombings of trains and a bus in London."

It’s reasonable to suspect that SORT-style teams are being prepared in other major cities across the U.S., presumably trained in the same "five in the noggin" rules of engagement that made Gibson’s heart beat ever so faster. And it’s both interesting and unsettling to wonder what other surprises of this sort will be unveiled next time a terrorist attack occurs in London, New York, or elsewhere.

Incidentally, while Israeli counter-terrorist specialists have been training local police in Great Britain and the U.S. back in the 1990s, Washington was lavishing similar attention on the "security" forces of Yasser Arafat’s regime. As The New American reported in 1997, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms disclosed that fact during a counter-terrorism seminar in Chicago.

Complicating things even further is the fact that Hamas – the terrorist group whose murderous depredations justified the "shoot-to-kill" tactics employed by the Israelis, and taught to British and (most likely) U.S. police – was essentially a creation of Israeli intelligence. "Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years," reported United Press International in 2002. "Israel `aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO [Palestinian Liberation Organization],’ said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies."

It’s an old story, one captured in Frederic Bastiat’s despairing observation that governments increase their powers by creating the poison and the antidote in the same laboratory. The same governments supposedly protecting us from terrorism have long cultivated many of the same terrorists and terror organizations that now threaten us, leaving the public insecure and increasingly willing to surrender personal liberty in pursuit of safety.

And abetting this cynical power grab are purported journalists like John Gibson, who rather than confronting the corrupt exercise of power lecture the public about their duty to love Big Brother.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; bobbies; constitutionalrights; deathcultivation; donutwatch; england; execution; freedom; jbs; keystonecops; leosgonewild; liberty; london; londonattacked; patriotact; rights; subway; subwaysystem; terrorism; thenewamerican; tna; tonyblair; williamnormangrigg; yahoos
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To: DugwayDuke
And newpaper and magazine articles also have reports of numerous bombers in Israel that were not 'talked down'.

Wrong analogy..
Go back and read what I was responding to..

It was stated categorically that it was always the case.. shoot first, shoot for the head, shoot to kill..
Read what he said..

I merely countered that statement with fact.. Such is not the case.. Other methods are used..

The measures used ared dictated by the circumstances, one size does not fit all..

41 posted on 07/27/2005 4:00:09 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: DugwayDuke
If the author was correct, then it should be easy to describe how 'government caused' the problem of suicide bombers.

He did so.. Read the article..

42 posted on 07/27/2005 4:02:34 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

Exactly where did the author describe how the British government caused these suicide bombers?


43 posted on 07/27/2005 5:58:44 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: Drammach

"The measures used ared dictated by the circumstances, one size does not fit all.."

So what method do you propose that fits this situation, middle eastern male leaves a suspected terrorist abode, ignores orders to stop, attempts to board a passenger train, while wearing clothing that is more appropriate to hiding a bomb than the weather? In a city that has had eight suicide bomber attempts in two weeks?


44 posted on 07/27/2005 6:01:15 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: Coleus
Who is this name calling, oh soooooooooooooooooo "macho" man, calling John Gibson a "pencil-neck" and worse? And what is THE NEW AMERICAN?

The second wave of non-suicide bombers in England are soiling their knickers and one of them is in goal;none of them are laughing.

And absolutely NONE of the recent events bear any resemblance to BIG BROTHER or "1984"! Anyone who thinks that this is so, should read the book.

45 posted on 07/27/2005 6:06:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: agitator

No, he isn't; but, you are.


46 posted on 07/27/2005 6:07:25 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: RadioAstronomer
Really? Execution style? Especially after he was already thrown to the ground?

WOW!


Yes. They had numerous reasons to believe he was a suicide bomber. I guess they could have simply killed him for the sport. You know, because they like doing that sort of thing.
47 posted on 07/27/2005 6:12:19 PM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats are motivated mainly and perhaps almost wholly by envy.)
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To: Coleus
Who was an ILLEGAL in England, who has overstayed his visa and running from the cops, who yelled STOP, over and over and over at him, during an all out terrorist attack on England.
48 posted on 07/27/2005 6:19:16 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
This lady has the same opinion of you that I do
49 posted on 07/27/2005 7:18:11 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: agitator

Your link doesn't work and you really don't want to know what my opinion of you is. ;^)


50 posted on 07/27/2005 7:24:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: agitator

Hahahaha. Perfection.


51 posted on 07/27/2005 7:26:12 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: nopardons

My link works just fine. The reason I used a link is because my opinion of you is unprintable.


52 posted on 07/27/2005 7:28:12 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: agitator
It didn't work for me.

Multiply your "unprintable" opinion of me, to the nth degree, and that's my opinion of you. :^)

53 posted on 07/27/2005 7:41:45 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Coleus
and where are the pictures of the incident, surveillance cameras cover the entire subway system.

That's what I've been waiting for.

In a city of a trillion cameras, eyeing and recording every move, you'd think they'd have video of this.

Lets see it.

54 posted on 07/27/2005 7:43:05 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: agitator

Link worked el perfecto for me.

:)


55 posted on 07/27/2005 7:45:27 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Black Tooth

:) the link doesn't work for people who don't want it to work hahahahaha!


56 posted on 07/27/2005 7:47:31 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: nopardons

I think it would be in your own best interests not to address me again.


57 posted on 07/27/2005 7:53:26 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: Black Tooth

worked for me too, it's the fruit cake lady from the tonight show.

http://humor.about.com/b/a/161684.htm

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/fruitcake_lady/fruitcake_lady_page2.shtml


58 posted on 07/27/2005 7:53:54 PM PDT by Coleus ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1451115/posts)
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To: agitator
the link doesn't work for people who don't want it to work hahahahaha!

The poster in question probably doesn't have the correct media player.

It works fine for me, and was hillarious

59 posted on 07/27/2005 7:58:43 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: agitator

Take your own advice! LOL


60 posted on 07/27/2005 7:58:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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