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Case of C.I.A. Officer's Leaked Identity Takes New Turn
NY Times ^ | July 28, 2005 | DOUGLAS JEHL

Posted on 07/27/2005 9:26:15 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide

In the same week in July 2003 in which Bush administration officials told a syndicated columnist and a Time magazine reporter that a C.I.A. officer had initiated her husband's mission to Niger, an administration official provided a Washington Post reporter with a similar account.

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Mr. Pincus has not identified his source to the public. But a review of Mr. Pincus's own accounts and those of other people with detailed knowledge of the case strongly suggest that his source was neither Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's top political adviser, nor I. Lewis Libby, the chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, and was in fact a third administration official whose identity has not yet been publicly disclosed.

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I've always wondered does "administration official" conclusively mean someone who works in the White House? Could "admininstration official" mean "CIA official"? After all, the CIA is in the executive branch of government. I can't believe that the NY Times would muddy the waters with these terms, but it is frustratingly difficult to interpret the terms the MSM uses when describing this case.
1 posted on 07/27/2005 9:26:15 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: SolidSupplySide

I'm betting it came from the Colin Powell Foggy Bottom brigades.


2 posted on 07/27/2005 9:29:11 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: SolidSupplySide
I can't believe that the NY Times would muddy the waters with these terms

LOL.

3 posted on 07/27/2005 9:30:13 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: SolidSupplySide
I've always wondered does "administration official" conclusively mean someone who works in the White House? Could "admininstration official" mean "CIA official"?

Yes. For example, George Tenet was then an "administration offical." Consider that a hint.

4 posted on 07/27/2005 9:32:31 PM PDT by kesg
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To: SolidSupplySide
I've always wondered does "administration official" conclusively mean someone who works in the White House?

About as specific, meaningful, and descriptive as "sources say"........... it means nearly nothing.

5 posted on 07/27/2005 9:32:32 PM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." - Jack Lemmon)
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To: SolidSupplySide

THere is a nice little press war going on between the NYTIMES and Washington Post, they have been picking apart each others stories for weeks.


6 posted on 07/27/2005 9:33:55 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: peyton randolph
I'm betting it came from the Colin Powell Foggy Bottom brigades.

I can't rule this out. But according to the Vanity Fair article, Novak apparently told Wilson that his original source was in the CIA.

7 posted on 07/27/2005 9:33:55 PM PDT by kesg
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To: SolidSupplySide

"[Pincus] wrote in Nieman Reports that he did not believe the person who spoke to him was committing a criminal act, but only practicing damage control by trying to get him to write about Mr. Wilson."


Of course, Pink-us did not reveal to the reading public that he and his wife are in bed with the Wilsons and the whole campaign to damage the Bush administration, either. He claims he did not believe Valerie Plame had any role in sending her husband on the bogus trip to Niger, but did Pink-us ever show any minimal journalistic integrity and competence in revealing his own personal biases and relationships which color his reporting with the sewage of Democratic Party talking points???


8 posted on 07/27/2005 9:34:38 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: peyton randolph
I'm betting it came from the Colin Powell Foggy Bottom brigades.

Good call. "Administration official" could certainly include the State Dept. Specifically, Colin Powell would certainly qualify as an "administration official". So, likely, would other State Department officials. And the State Department could use a good housecleaning just like the CIA. Too many Foggy Bottom residents are willing to put US interests behind State Department interests.

But it is interesting that the NY Times admits that Fitzerald is looking at someone other than Rove or Libby. This is the first time the MSM has admitted this.

I also like how the NY Times is doing investigative reporting on the Washington Post. We've seen fissures in Big Labor. Now we see fissures in Big Media. That Karl Rove is a genious. :)

9 posted on 07/27/2005 9:35:22 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: SolidSupplySide
Interesting enough by why would Pincus have any credibility in this instance?
10 posted on 07/27/2005 9:40:28 PM PDT by msnimje
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To: SolidSupplySide
Who else in this administration uttered those 5 damning words: "Yea, I heard that too." when asked if they knew Joe Wilson's wife (who was a super secret clandestine operative for the CIA under the heretofore undisclosed name of Valerie Plame) recommended her husband be sent on the ultra secret fact finding mission to deepest, darkest Niger Africa.

The suspense is killing me. This just has to be worse than all of the other Bush Administration non-scandals put together.

11 posted on 07/27/2005 9:42:26 PM PDT by eggman (Democrat party - The black hole of liberalism from which no rational thought can escape.)
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To: SolidSupplySide

Richard Armitage may be a good candidate - he is known to have circulated the State Dept. memo about the Niger uranium matter that had the press all atwitter recently because it was said to have been seen on Air Force One. Powell, Armitage, and Tenet seem to be the best candidates, although there might be others we don't even know about. If the key source were Rove then Novack couldn't possibly have said it was "no partisan gunslinger" - I think that phrase was a clear indication that someone who was NOT a political adviser to Bush or Cheney was involved........


12 posted on 07/27/2005 9:43:13 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: msnimje
Interesting enough by why would Pincus have any credibility in this instance?

Fair enough. Pincus is certainly conflicted due to his dual roles as reporter and witness in this case. But I've got to assume that anything he said before the grand jury is truthful. His reporting may be suspect, but if we get information about his grand jury testimony, that may be a little more credible.

13 posted on 07/27/2005 9:44:27 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: SolidSupplySide

From Macsmind blog (note: "office" = CIA) -

"I was on the phone to the "office" today, thankfullly, there are still good people there who are willing to speak about this issue (Not everyone at the office was against the war). Suffice to say that there is more to come, and if I were Joe and Valerie, I'd put the champaign away for now."

http://macsmind.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-valerie-is-at-heart-of-plame-game.html


14 posted on 07/27/2005 9:45:48 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: SolidSupplySide

"I've always wondered does "administration official" conclusively mean someone who works in the White House?"

I always thought it meant anyone in the current Admin. Lately, especially knowing how the MSM spins things and doesn't always tell the full truth, I've been wondering if it could mean a previous Admin official - - if that's the case, there's a whole barrel-full that could have leaked.


15 posted on 07/27/2005 9:47:49 PM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops and their CIC)
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To: SolidSupplySide
But it is interesting that the NY Times admits that Fitzerald is looking at someone other than Rove or Libby. This is the first time the MSM has admitted this.

???
The scumbag NY Times has ordered an employee to jail rather than let her exonerate Rove by revealing her source ("someone other than Rove or Libby") to the grand jury. I would say there was really nothing for the scumbag NY Times to admit except reality itself.

16 posted on 07/27/2005 9:48:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Sam Hill; MJY1288; Mo1; nopardons; Mad Mammoth; mystery-ak

Pingy Dingy!


17 posted on 07/27/2005 9:53:29 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: eggman

CIA Secret Agent Valerie Plame, pictured above with husband Joseph Wilson, at the big 'Vanity Fair' bash to honor the Tribeca Film Festival. Other guests included: Robert DeNiro, Nicole Kidman, Barry Diller, Willem Dafoe, John McEnroe, David Bowie, Sean "P. Diddy" Combs and many others.
18 posted on 07/27/2005 9:54:45 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SolidSupplySide
Technically, anybody that works for the government that is controlled by an appointed official is "an Administration Official." So, Valeirie Plame (Wilson) worked at the CIA under Tenet so she could be classified as an "Administration Official."beacuse she as an employee is in fact an agent for that appointed person. Heck the local National Park Ranger and IRS window Clerk could be considered "an Administration official" too.

The questions of whom Judith Miller is sitting jail for needs an answer from the NY Slimes more the stupid speculation on whom the other newspaper's and magazine's reporters got their info from. Which liberal/Rat are they covering up for?
19 posted on 07/27/2005 9:56:05 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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Heck the local National Park Ranger and IRS window Clerk could be considered "an Administration official" too.

That was the point I was trying to make. "Administrative" could mean "Executive". Broadly defined, "administrative" could include anyone in the executive branch of government. Therefore, in the broadest sense, your National Park Ranger and IRS window clerk could be "administrative officials" since they work in the executive branch.

"Congressional officials" or "Judicial officials" would not be "Administration officials" since they are not in the executive branch and have different roles from "administering" or "executing" or "enforcing" the laws.

20 posted on 07/27/2005 10:01:17 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: SolidSupplySide
I've always wondered does "administration official" conclusively mean someone who works in the White House?

When I hear some lying scumbag from a Democrat Party organ like the Washington Post or the NY Times say "administration official", I wonder what administration they are talking about.


21 posted on 07/27/2005 10:01:32 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Unless he's trolling for snakes, I just don't see Fitzgerald leaking .. he's paranoid about leaks.


22 posted on 07/27/2005 10:01:50 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: cyncooper

Ping


23 posted on 07/27/2005 10:02:39 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: peyton randolph

The quote from Robert Novak about his other source was that the source was not a "partisan gunslinger." That would eliminate Rove, Libby, and the other politicals.

That fits Powell, Armitage, and plenty of other people at State and CIA. State commissioned the INR report but CIA undoubtedyl had a copy of it. Remember that when this broke in July of 2003, the CIA was being asked by everyone where the WMD were, since the DOD was not finding them in Iraq. State was dumping on CIA so as to keep Powell's skirts clean, since he took the CIA stuff to the UN.

Hopefully, the rogue anti-Bush group in the CIA who pulled off the Wilson trip to Niger will be outed in this process. And if we're lucky, Pincus at WaPo with his State/CIA contacts will be exposed too.


24 posted on 07/27/2005 10:03:19 PM PDT by RandyRep
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To: STARWISE
???
Fitzgerald is the last person who I would expect to leak anything.
25 posted on 07/27/2005 10:04:27 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: kesg; peyton randolph

Could "was in the CIA" and then moved into the State Dept. See - Larry Johnson.


26 posted on 07/27/2005 10:08:47 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: STARWISE
Mr. Pincus wrote in the Nieman Reports article that he had agreed to answer questions from Mr. Fitzgerald last fall about his July 12, 2003, conversation only after "it turned out that my source, whom I still cannot identify publicly, had in fact disclosed to the prosecutor that he was my source, and he talked to the prosecutor about our conversation."

What's the big secret if the SP already knows??

27 posted on 07/27/2005 10:09:18 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: RandyRep
Hopefully, the rogue anti-Bush group in the CIA who pulled off the Wilson trip to Niger will be outed in this process. And if we're lucky, Pincus at WaPo with his State/CIA contacts will be exposed too.

Yes, the State Department, long known as a nest for Soviet spies and other anti-American mice, cannot be left out of the equation. In fact, Wilson (at State) and Plame (at CIA) were a marriage made in heaven (no pun intended) for colluding to pull off the Wilson-to-Niger scheme to smear Bush and influence the 2004 Presidential election.

28 posted on 07/27/2005 10:09:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Right .. I said that because there have been intimations on other threads that his office was leaking. I guess he hasn't put a gag order on anyone, then?

Robert Novak Talks About Plame Case, Sort Of

29 posted on 07/27/2005 10:10:39 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: Mo1

HEhehehe .... what doublespeak .. Professor Irwin Corey lives!


30 posted on 07/27/2005 10:12:11 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: endthematrix
Could "was in the CIA" and then moved into the State Dept. See - Larry Johnson.

I don't think Larry Johnson held any position in the Bush Administration. He was a Clintonista.

31 posted on 07/27/2005 10:13:21 PM PDT by kesg
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To: STARWISE

Fitzgerald has not put a gag order on anyone, but he has "asked" principals in the case to keep quiet about their testimony and most have acceded to that request.


32 posted on 07/27/2005 10:14:08 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Yes, the State Department, long known as a nest for Soviet spies and other anti-American mice, cannot be left out of the equation. In fact, Wilson (at State) and Plame (at CIA)




Did you know that Pincus' wife once worked at the State Department AND the Clinton Administration??

http://www.public-i.org/about/staff.aspx

Ann Pincus
Director of Communications and Outreach
Ann Pincus has over 30 years’ experience in public affairs, marketing, government relations and management. She served as director of research, first at the United States Information Agency, then the Department of State from 1993-2001, where she supervised public opinion polling and media research around the world for the U.S. government. She was vice president for communications at WETA TV-FM from 1987 to 1993; earlier she served as press secretary to Senator Charles Mathias of Maryland, a publicist for National Public Radio, and director of information for the House Select Committee on Population. She began her career as a journalist, working for the Arkansas Gazette, Ridder Newspapers, the Village Voice and the New York Post, among other publications. She is a graduate of Vassar College.



33 posted on 07/27/2005 10:16:30 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: kesg

I just meant that one could move over from the CIA to State.


34 posted on 07/27/2005 10:16:55 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: RandyRep

There is one person whose name has rarely, if ever, been mentioned during the whole Plame/Wilson scandal - - Porter Goss. Goss is a loyal, conservative, take-no-prisoners Republican. I have no doubt that he has been digging around behind the scenes and even possibly communicating with former CIA Director George H. W. Bush.

This whole "scandal" smells to me like another masterstroke bait-and-switch set-up by Karl Rove.


35 posted on 07/27/2005 10:19:59 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Mo1

Thanks for the info.
Pincus has zero credibility.


36 posted on 07/27/2005 10:21:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Post of the night!


37 posted on 07/27/2005 10:35:30 PM PDT by ntnychik (Oh, Mandy, how you came and you gave without taking...)
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To: Miss Marple

ping


38 posted on 07/27/2005 10:38:06 PM PDT by kayak (Have you prayed for your President today?)
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To: Lancey Howard

Is that the 5th Beatle or some dude in drag from an Austin Powers movie?


39 posted on 07/27/2005 10:43:04 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: RandyRep

Actually, State was dumping on Powell, too. One of Wilson's buddies is former State employee Greg Thielman and he was slamming Powell left and right.


40 posted on 07/27/2005 10:43:42 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Lancey Howard
Porter Goss is probably quietly cleaning house at CIA. I think that Fitzgerald is serving a dual-role. He is chief housecleaner, with a big stick to use on the worst leakers and politicos at CIA. He also will keep the disgruntled agents from leaking as a way to get back at the administration.

I don't expect more than 2-3 indictments at CIA. More than that number would seriously damage the sheeple's faith in the Agency. But Fitzgerald will have a list of 10-20 "unindicted co-conspirators" a housecleaning list for Porter Goss.

Indeed, if Fitzgerald isn't hip-deep in cleanup at the Agency, then Goss is being too quiet. But I think that quietness speaks volumes.

41 posted on 07/27/2005 10:44:58 PM PDT by DJtex (;)
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To: endthematrix

Yep- Larry came out at the time the mysterious T J Wilkinson did, and also Greg Thielman and Wilkie in Australia.


42 posted on 07/27/2005 10:45:01 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Lancey Howard

Posting a picture of Mandy Grunwald aka Mrs Matthew Cooper so close to bedtime, should have a mandatory Nightmare Alert !

Ed Klein described Mrs Cooper in " The Truth About Hillary " thusly :
Page 160

"... Mandy Grunwald, a formidable figure both politically and physically.
Mandy stood nearly six feet tall and had a booming voice and a thick head of black hair.
A bundle of nervous energy, she chain- smoked Marlboros.
Some of her Republican counterparts in the political consulting business joked that she looked like the Marlboro Man in drag."

I wonder if Matthew Cooper wasn't secretly hoping for some jail time.
Sleeping next to Bubba might be a welcome respite from sleeping next to Godzilla.


43 posted on 07/27/2005 10:47:27 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: STARWISE

Thanks for the ping! :-)


44 posted on 07/27/2005 10:53:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Marrying the boss's daughter has its downside sometimes.

(Mandy's father ran Time mag--Cooper's employer.)


45 posted on 07/27/2005 10:53:20 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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Maybe "someone in the administration" means someone who administers a newspaper.


46 posted on 07/27/2005 10:53:50 PM PDT by syriacus (Muslims who really want peace should unite behind a non-violent leader like Gandhi, King, or Walesa.)
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To: Lancey Howard

If Rove did set this up, he does deserve the (evil) genius status they give him, but I have to doubt it. My guess is that Rove was as surprised as anybody that he was called on this, but I don't doubt that he and his team had a carefully crafted 'strategery' very quickly thereafter. Notice the silence...He's just giving them rope. I am sure they're working hard in the background and cooperating all they can to make sure this sticks to the people who deserve it.

Speaking of silence, and Goss...Goss is a smart, silent one too. Having the SP lets GJ do the heavy lifting without airing all the dirty laundry in the agency while still scaring some people straight. The CIA has a terribly important job. We don't want to know all the finger-pointing in the background. We need to have confidence in their integrity and capability. If the SP identifies a few bad eggs, as I suspect it will, PG won't see too much resistance in getting them out the door. We've already seen 3 resignations that very well may be related...He hasn't even had to open his mouth yet.

When the other shoe drop...Look out.


47 posted on 07/27/2005 10:54:37 PM PDT by Lone Red Ranger (What's right is more important than who's right. Glad we're Right.)
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To: Mo1

Now THAT is a great catch!


48 posted on 07/27/2005 10:57:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: DJtex

Couldn't agree more!!


49 posted on 07/27/2005 10:58:30 PM PDT by Lone Red Ranger (What's right is more important than who's right. Glad we're Right.)
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To: Lone Red Ranger

Seems to me the whole Bush team is pretty good about security and leaks and "problems." They keep lengthening the rope and the Dems and media keep putting it around their neck.

I think Rove was talking off-the-record to his friendlies (at least not unfriendlies) and in the process of warning them about Wilson's lies he let the connection out of the bag to Novak and/or Cooper.

I think Goss was a master-stroke, as have been most appointments.

BTW, like your views. Well done.


50 posted on 07/27/2005 11:06:39 PM PDT by RandyRep
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