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Queens Man Says He Was Stopped For A Bag Search Three Times In One Day
NY1 ^ | July 27, 2005 | Solana Pyne

Posted on 07/28/2005 3:57:53 AM PDT by csvset

Queens Man Says He Was Stopped For A Bag Search Three Times In One Day

July 27, 2005

The Police Department says its subway bag searches are random, but a Queens man says he's not so sure because he claims he was stopped several times on just one day. NY1’s Solana Pyne filed this report.

“I felt humiliated. You know, there's a certain anxiety level every time I walk through a subway station or walk through a security checkpoint,” says Yogi Patell, a CUNY Law student.


Patell says police stopped him three times at three separate subway stations last Friday, the day they began bag searches in the subway.

“I was on my way to Brooklyn. I'm interning at the Immigrant Defense Project, and I started off here in Flushing,” he says.

After picking up papers at CUNY Law School, where he's a third-year law student, Patell says he went to get the No. 7 train and was searched. He made his way to Penn Station and got off the train to meet a friend. Before re-entering, he says, he was searched again.

From Penn Station, Patell came down to Chambers Street, where he got off the train and delivered some documents. When he went to get back on, police were again stopping and searching bags. That, says Patell, is when he was searched for the third time.

“It's hard for me to say it's anything else other than profiling,” he says. “You know, obviously I can't prove it. I can't sit here and say I noticed them doing it to every South Asian as they walked by, but it's this feeling, this eerie feeling.”

The NYPD says it has no explanation for why Patell might have been stopped three times, but insists the searches are random and that people are selected by a numerical formula. They call profiling “bad policing,” and say a supervisor is there to make sure cops doing the searches follow the department's formula.

But Patell questions whether searches are the best use of police resources, and said that even if they are random, “There's a certain amount of stigma with these searches.”

The New York Civil Liberties Union, which opposes the searches and is considering a lawsuit challenging their legality, agrees.

“It's quite understandable, indeed predictable, that the immigrant community, particularly the South Asian and Middle Eastern immigrant community would be freaked out by this policy because of the practices over the last three years of singling out Middle Eastern and South Asian men for interrogations, for FBI visits, for homeland security actions,” says the Donna Lieberman of the NYCLU.



Lieberman said the NYCLU had only received a few reports of profiling since the policy started. Right now, they are sending teams out to observe the search practices and asking the Police Department to release memos outlining the formula.

As for Patell, he says he hasn't taken the subway since Friday.

- Solana Pyne



TOPICS: Government; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; idp; justdamn; nonprofile; nysda; profile; profiling; upj; whiningwahabbists
I'm interning at the Immigrant Defense Project

Immigrant Defense Project

IDP sounds like a criminal legal defense project. All sorts of No-Do-Gooders, helped by leftists.

1 posted on 07/28/2005 3:57:53 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

War is hell.


2 posted on 07/28/2005 4:00:11 AM PDT by Skooz (Political Correctness will eventually destroy America)
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To: Skooz

"War is hell."

Right. He would have hated WWII. Talk about attacks on freedom!


3 posted on 07/28/2005 4:01:25 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("McCainiac and Senator Flimsy 'Grahamma For Terrorists' Rights")
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To: csvset

Life is cruel, just not fair at all.


4 posted on 07/28/2005 4:02:01 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (http://giinthesky.blogspot.com)
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To: csvset
Stop whinning. Here in Isreal, everyone is checked prior to entering any public place by guards outside. You have to remove all metal objects, declare any weapons (lots of people are carrying guns) and then they wave the "Majic Wand" across your body, sometimes patting you down. Repeat, every public place you go to!!!

Americans may some day soon see this very practice enacted everywhere they go!

5 posted on 07/28/2005 4:02:05 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: csvset

Boo-Hoo, Boo-Hoo. Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.


6 posted on 07/28/2005 4:02:24 AM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: csvset

So did they find anything?


7 posted on 07/28/2005 4:04:14 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: csvset

Go to law school in Camel Land, I hear its much more tolerant.


8 posted on 07/28/2005 4:04:28 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: csvset

“There's a certain amount of stigma with these searches.”

Oh pahleeze. boo hoo hoo indeed.


9 posted on 07/28/2005 4:11:07 AM PDT by Syberyenta
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To: csvset

No sympathy - he'd be the first one whining about a lack of security if there is another attack.


10 posted on 07/28/2005 4:11:58 AM PDT by mombonn (íViva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: csvset

Riiiiight...

Okay, Solana, How much did the ACLU pay you to lie about this to the newstation


11 posted on 07/28/2005 4:13:10 AM PDT by CarlEOlsoniii (McCarthy goes after Communists with a shotgun; I go after them with a rifle -Nixon)
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To: csvset
"“I felt humiliated. You know, there's a certain anxiety level every time I walk through a subway station or walk through a security checkpoint,” says Yogi Patell, a CUNY Law studen"


GET OVER IT! (yes, I AM yelling!)

I have zero tolerance for people who whine about being inconvenienced because of heightened security.

These are the buttbeads that, the first a bombing occurs on our mass transit, will scream that the government didn't do enough to protect them!

12 posted on 07/28/2005 4:14:03 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: csvset
“I was on my way to Brooklyn. I'm interning at the Immigrant Defense Project, and I started off here in Flushing,” he says

From this profile, stopping him and seaching him 3 times a day is not enough.

13 posted on 07/28/2005 4:22:04 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: csvset

14 posted on 07/28/2005 4:22:34 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Does it hurt when they shear your wool off?)
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To: csvset

Hopefully his complaint is true ... it would mean there is a certain amount of sensible profiling going on.


15 posted on 07/28/2005 4:23:42 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: csvset
My wife observed this when she was getting on the bus at the Port Authority Bus Terminal last night. There was a police officer standing by, not doing much of anything. The woman in front of her had one of those big, wheeled carry-on type bags. The officer made no move to search her bag until just before the bus rolled up and a man whom my wife described as "Middle Eastern-looking" hurried up to the bus stop carrying a large camera bag.

The Officer then sprang into action and held up the entire line of passengers. He started by doing a desultory search of the woman's large carry-on and glanced in everybody's briefcase. Finally he took apart the late arriver's camera bag, checking each item, disassembling the camera and staring through all the lenses.

Now, if you look at the numbers, the Middle Eastern man was one of only twenty "searched". But not all searches are of equal intensity. If he had not turned up late, perhaps nobody would have been searched at all.

As far as my wife is concerned, she is not the least bit concerned that this fellow was put through the ringer. But, as you can imagine, things are a little tense at the Port Authority these days...
16 posted on 07/28/2005 4:23:51 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: csvset

What a bummer. This is just the price you have to pay.


17 posted on 07/28/2005 4:23:51 AM PDT by Preachin' (Georgia finally saw the light in 2000.)
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To: csvset
“I was on my way to Brooklyn. I'm interning at the Immigrant Defense Project, and I started off here in Flushing....he's a third-year law student,

So we don't have enough "civil rights" lawyers, now we have to import them??

18 posted on 07/28/2005 4:24:11 AM PDT by montag813
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To: csvset
“I felt humiliated. You know, there's a certain anxiety level every time I walk through a subway station or walk through a security checkpoint,” says Yogi Patell, a CUNY Law student.

Too bad! I'm disappointed that he wasn't searched EVERY time he went into the subway.

So long as it's predominantly young south Asian men committing acts of mass murder, we should be searching every one of them every chance we get. We should station volunteers outside the homes of every Muslim and specifically empower them to search the members of that household and report the findings to authorities.

We should be searching them every time they go from the living room to the kitchen and back.

And if they have a big problem with that then maybe they should do what they can to change the view of their community. They can start by showing at least as much outrage at the mass murders as they do about an alleged koran being defiled.

I'm afraid that we won't have the political will to do what is necessary in this struggle until we lose a major city in a nuclear attack.

19 posted on 07/28/2005 4:25:12 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: csvset; All
The NYPD says it has no explanation for why Patell might have been stopped three times, but insists the searches are random and that people are selected by a numerical formula. They call profiling “bad policing,” and say a supervisor is there to make sure cops doing the searches follow the department's formula.

An NYPD Sergeant called Michael Savage last week and said that "officially" they oppose profiling, but that cops on the beat are ignoring that and sensibly targeting the people who need to be targeted. I can only hope this is true.

Surely the cops understand that it is the type of traitorous liberalism which led to 9/11 in the first place and that racial profiling is the only way to protect New Yorkers against terrorists.

20 posted on 07/28/2005 4:28:23 AM PDT by montag813
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To: tcostell

He could quit carrying bags that look like the ones the bombers use. He could consider changing his demeanour so he doesn't look as if he's hiding something. But if he's quit riding the subway (and I hope he's being searched before he boards buses too), so much the better.

I'm searched every time I go into a motorsport facility and whenever I go into a casino. I don't care, as I'm not carrying anything I ought not to have.


21 posted on 07/28/2005 4:32:46 AM PDT by KateatRFM
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To: csvset
I felt humiliated. You know, there's a certain anxiety level every time I walk through a subway station or walk through a security checkpoint,” says Yogi Patell, a CUNY Law student.

I will not say "if you have nothing to hide, why do you have a problem having your bag searched?" I think that is a weak argument, because I don't like having my bag searched, ever, simply because it is an invasion of my privacy.

But "a certain anxiety level"? Why anxiety? Does he really think the police officers are going to harrass or harm him if his bag does not contain anything dangerous?

I have been to some Third-World hellholes in my time, and a certain level of anxiety is completely understandable in those cases, because the young illiterate kid sticking an AK-47 in your ear is not, shall we say, well trained, and the chain of command can be somewhat casual. But these conditions do not exist in New York City.

So you have this man, by his own account, meeting people in the train station and carrying bags onto subway trains while experiencing "a certain anxiety level" every time he walks through a subway station or walks through a security checkpoint. Completely absent any racial aspect, this is just the sort of activity the police are looking out for. You want them to be stopping nervous men carrying bags who are meeting people in the stations and boarding multiple trains, regardless of race.

But Patell questions whether searches are the best use of police resources, and said that even if they are random, “There's a certain amount of stigma with these searches.”

This statement makes no sense, whatsoever. If the searches are random, why is there "a certain amount of stigma"? If the searches are random, they are completely neutral with regards to "stigma".

In any case, even assuming things are completely random, if the police are searching 50,000 out of 2,000,000 passengers a day, it is statistically inevitable that at least a few passengers will be searched three or four times in a day.

22 posted on 07/28/2005 4:44:07 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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You want them to be stopping nervous men carrying bags who are meeting people in the stations and boarding multiple trains, regardless of race.

Heck yes, the nervous guy with the bag should be the one pulled aside. If he doesn't like it, lump it.

23 posted on 07/28/2005 4:53:29 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

Coincidence. In a city of several million odds are coincidences will occur.


24 posted on 07/28/2005 4:55:32 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Junior

IDP is a leftist groups helping people skirt immigration law... I smell a setup... Here's what the group is all about http://www.nysda.org/NYSDA_Resources/Immigrant_Defense_Project/immigrant_defense_project.html#About


25 posted on 07/28/2005 5:01:35 AM PDT by dirk33
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To: montag813
So we don't have enough "civil rights" lawyers, now we have to import them??

He aids and abets foreigners accused of crimes. As far as I'm concerned, he's an agitator, an agent provocateur, a subversive element.

26 posted on 07/28/2005 5:03:11 AM PDT by csvset
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“I felt humiliated. You know, there's a certain anxiety level every time I walk through a subway station or walk through a security checkpoint,” says Yogi Patell, a CUNY Law student.

I hear there are planes and ships leaving this fine country almost hourly. If the searches upset you there is a remedy. If you choose to stay then do all of us a favor and please STFU! Thank you.

27 posted on 07/28/2005 5:20:48 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: csvset
Queens Man Says He Was Stopped For A Bag Search Three Times In One Day

Good.

28 posted on 07/28/2005 5:23:18 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: montag813
Actually, my bet is that he's an American-born child of Indian parents (guessing from his name). My boyfriend is from India, lived in Bombay during the riots of '92-'93 (and actually got hit by a stray bullet), and he doesn't mind one bit when he gets searched before getting on city transit. Most people from India are very aware of the effects of Islamic terrorism, and many feel they are being helpful when they allow themselves to be searched (and therefore eliminated as a threat).

BTW, this is my very first FR post! I've been lurking for about two years, but just signed up for an account today.
29 posted on 07/28/2005 5:24:18 AM PDT by AirForceBrat23
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To: gridlock

Good!! I'm glad to hear that they are profiling to some degree and searching the suspicious looking characters. It's past time to get serious about terrorists.


30 posted on 07/28/2005 5:24:25 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: CarlEOlsoniii
"I was on my way to Brooklyn. I'm interning at the Immigrant Defense Project, and I started off here in Flushing," he says.

After picking up papers at CUNY Law School, where he's a third-year law student, Patell says he went to get the No. 7 train and was searched. He made his way to Penn Station and got off the train to meet a friend. Before re-entering, he says, he was searched again.

Great. How much are American taxpayers paying to train the enemy to undermine the country?

31 posted on 07/28/2005 5:29:16 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: csvset
Hey, Yogi!


32 posted on 07/28/2005 5:29:33 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: csvset

I think I could make a fortune in New York selling see-thru bags.


33 posted on 07/28/2005 5:30:39 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: csvset
"It's hard for me to say it's anything else other than profiling," he says.

He's obviously not versed in queue theory. Random events exhibit "clumping."

34 posted on 07/28/2005 5:31:35 AM PDT by Cboldt
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my bet is that he's an American-born child of Indian parents

If that's true, they must be devastated that he has got involved with the communist-run Immigrant Defense Project.

35 posted on 07/28/2005 5:36:18 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: csvset

Schools all over the USA require clear plastic backpacks so that students can't carry weapons and drugs in them. That should be required to ride public transport. Carry a clear bag or no bag at all. Get used to this new life style brought to you courtesy of the ROP.


36 posted on 07/28/2005 5:36:28 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: gridlock
If the searches are random, why is there "a certain amount of stigma"?

I am occasionally taken aside by TSA for more invasive searches. I figure that event stigmatizes THEM, not me. Especially when, after they announce their thorough search is complete, I point out zippered sections of my carry-on that they have overlooked.

37 posted on 07/28/2005 5:38:16 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: TaxRelief

That depends; India DOES have a communist party!


38 posted on 07/28/2005 5:38:23 AM PDT by AirForceBrat23
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Welcome!

I work with an Iranian refugee who feels the same way. He is one of our delivery drivers, and every time he takes a load out to Fort Knox he makes a point of insisting that they at least give the truck a quick, but thorough, search. If any of the guards try to point out his familiarity, Paul informs them that most bombers scout their targets moltiple times and try to become familiar to any security personnel.

39 posted on 07/28/2005 5:41:27 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. - John Adams)
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To: csvset

What is "NY1"? Is it a New York Times / CBS wannabe? Do they regularly publish these kinds of sob stories?


40 posted on 07/28/2005 5:43:42 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Many Democrats are not weak Americans. But nearly all weak Americans are Democrats.)
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To: dirk33; BillF; Doctor Raoul; staytrue
The NYSDA Immigrant Defense Project is really good buddies with United for Peace and Justice.

http://meetup.radicaldesigns.org/calendar_display.php?calid=13006 **

**(Link deliberately disabled to avoid boosting Alexa rank of UPJ- just cut and paste the text into your address bar)
41 posted on 07/28/2005 5:44:14 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: sgtbono2002

Brilliant! Want a business partner?


42 posted on 07/28/2005 5:47:55 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: COBOL2Java
What is "NY1"? Is it a New York Times / CBS wannabe?

About NY1

NY1 News is Time Warner's 24-hour newschannel in New York City. Available exclusively on Time Warner Cable...

43 posted on 07/28/2005 5:50:01 AM PDT by csvset
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Yogi Patell

The cops were helping Ranger Smith search for a stolen pic-a-nic basket.

44 posted on 07/28/2005 5:57:59 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: montag813

gotta have those bi-lingual civil rights lawyers to defend the ones who can't speak english.


45 posted on 07/28/2005 6:00:56 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: csvset

RE New York 1 news channel -- It isn't exclusively a Time Warner channel. Cablevision subscribers also get it.


46 posted on 07/28/2005 6:30:10 AM PDT by joylyn
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To: Cboldt

> I am occasionally taken aside by TSA for more invasive searches.

I used to set off the alarm every time I walked through. Tired of being frisked, I empty my pockets completely into the bowl and take off my belt. They still search my bag. "Turn on that radio sir." It is tempting to say BANG! when I do so, but I know better.


47 posted on 07/28/2005 6:37:54 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: csvset

Does it seem strange to anyone else that an intern at the 'immigrant defense project' would be one of the very few claims of racial profiling--and that he'd be stopped not once, because of profiling, but three times?


48 posted on 07/28/2005 8:05:32 AM PDT by wildbill
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