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House Approves Massive Energy Bill
AP ^ | 7/28/2005 | H. JOSEF HEBERT

Posted on 07/28/2005 10:31:13 AM PDT by katieanna

WASHINGTON - The House by a wide margin approved a mammoth energy plan for the nation Thursday that sends billions of dollars in tax breaks and subsidies to energy companies, but is expected to do little to reduce U.S. oil consumption or dampen high energy prices.

"This is a good bill for America," declared Rep. Joe Barton (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, a key author of the legislation. "It is for America's future."


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; agriwelfarequeens; energy; energybill; ethanolagriwelfare
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1 posted on 07/28/2005 10:31:13 AM PDT by katieanna
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To: katieanna
YEH!! :)

This will be far better for the country than CAFTA.

2 posted on 07/28/2005 10:32:16 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: katieanna
Sometimes I wish these people would just go to Washington and sleep for six years. They just love playing around with our money.

Carolyn

3 posted on 07/28/2005 10:32:38 AM PDT by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: katieanna

wow, nice unbiased lede to that article about the energy bill


4 posted on 07/28/2005 10:33:23 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: katieanna

Anybody have the particulars of this bill? I tend to cringe whenever I see reports of a "massive" bill...


5 posted on 07/28/2005 10:35:18 AM PDT by Paradox (I just neutered my cat, now he's a Liberal.)
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To: katieanna

Why is it that every piece of legislation that comes out of Washington now looks like a farm bill?


6 posted on 07/28/2005 10:38:56 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: katieanna

I think we should reward them by giving them a bigger bonus this year and more retirement money

They could really use a nice loooooong summer vacation...
send them all someplace where they would do the least harm.

TERM LIMITS...we need TERM LIMITS


7 posted on 07/28/2005 10:39:53 AM PDT by joesnuffy (The state always has solutions to the problems it creates...more freedom will never be a solution)
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To: katieanna

1. Is ANWR in it?
2. Is nuclear power in it?


8 posted on 07/28/2005 10:41:57 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: babble-on
Exactly.

Instead of this:

"...that sends billions of dollars in tax breaks and subsidies to energy companies."

they could've said:

"A bill that creates incentive for energy companies to invest in research to find new energy sources, that when developed, could reduce America's dependency on foreign oil."

9 posted on 07/28/2005 10:43:32 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: katieanna

I still like the idea of nuclear/electrical/desalination plants. Water & electricity in one plant!


10 posted on 07/28/2005 10:45:43 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: joesnuffy

"TERM LIMITS...we need TERM LIMITS"

Already have term limits, it's called the VOTE. Elected offials terms are limited to the amount of times their constituents elect them.


11 posted on 07/28/2005 10:47:11 AM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: Last Dakotan
Because of the "Conservative Revolution?"

I think it is because the GOP has "settled in."

How sad for America.

12 posted on 07/28/2005 10:48:56 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Spktyr

The bill would funnel $2.7 billion in tax breaks to the oil and gas industries and provide additional support in form of royalty relief, including $500 million over 10 years for research into drilling in extremely deep areas of the Gulf of Mexico.





Subsidies and tax breaks for wind, geothermal and solar industries and technology aimed at making coal more environmentally friendly.

• New efficiency standards for commercial appliances from air conditioners to refrigerators.

• Requirement for utilities to meet federal reliability standards for the electric transmission grid, hoping to avoid future blackouts like the one in the summer of 2003.

• Easing the way for more imports of liquefied natural gas by giving federal regulators final say over import terminals.

• Spurring construction of new nuclear power reactors by offering loan guarantees and "risk insurance" against regulatory delays for the initial units to be built.




I don't see anything about ANWR


13 posted on 07/28/2005 10:49:12 AM PDT by katieanna
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To: Lou L
Instead of this:

"...that sends billions of dollars in tax breaks and subsidies to energy companies."

they could've said:

"A bill that creates incentive for energy companies to invest in research to find new energy sources, that when developed, could reduce America's dependency on foreign oil."

In other words you want the media to shill for this bill? Subsidies are subsidies, and need to be reported as such. It's the Democrat style to come up with all sorts of euphemisms for goverment spending.

14 posted on 07/28/2005 10:50:53 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: katieanna
a 'hugh' energy bill .. 8)


15 posted on 07/28/2005 10:50:57 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: katieanna

Nuclear power is, IMHO, more important to us for the long term anyway. Good to see that its likely going to happen, it's thirty-plus years overdue.


16 posted on 07/28/2005 10:51:20 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Lou L; SierraWasp; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave
Very nicely said. Although I've been in the O&G business for years, IMHO, the pork in this bill outweighs the advantages.

Especially the wind, solar and ethanol giveaways.

17 posted on 07/28/2005 10:52:49 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: katieanna
The House by a wide margin approved a mammoth energy plan for the nation Thursday that sends billions of dollars in tax breaks and subsidies to energy companies, but is expected to do little to reduce U.S. oil consumption or dampen high energy prices.

Why read any further?

18 posted on 07/28/2005 10:54:52 AM PDT by hattend (Alaska....in a time warp all it's own!)
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To: CasearianDaoist
?.....House Approves Massive Energy Bill....?

?....Millions of Chinese Communist Military Oil-worker-troops (ala Sudan) to join their Chinese Communist Military brothers already on the U.S. taxpayer citizens payroll NOW WORKING IN COLORADO....????

.....Factory prisons planned?

/sarcasm?......$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

19 posted on 07/28/2005 10:54:53 AM PDT by maestro
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To: katieanna

ANWR was attached to the budget bill, so it's already a done deal.


20 posted on 07/28/2005 10:56:50 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: kellynla
I did an article way back in 1962 for our high school newspaper about a desalinization plant that was operating at that time on the coast of Connecticut. I thought it was a good idea then but I don't know what has been done about it since then. After all, it's only been 40 years.

Carolyn

21 posted on 07/28/2005 11:00:53 AM PDT by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: Dog Gone
Yes, but the focus shoudl not be on ANWR per se; it should be on empowering domestic exporation and expliotation in general, and yes, that includes offshore drilling.

The GOP ducked the issue here yet again.

I am geting pretty fed up with them. This second term is just turning into a bucket of mush. I doubtr they hold on to the majority after 08.

22 posted on 07/28/2005 11:01:31 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: katieanna
Own several hundred shares of Dynegy. It has experienced a nice upward trend in recent days without much news on the stock. Could it be passage of the energy bill was anticipated ... giving the stock a push?
23 posted on 07/28/2005 11:05:31 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: CDHart
Needless to say, I'm no expert on the subject but I believe there are only a couple of nuclear/electrical/desalination plants in the world. I believe there's one in Turkey.
24 posted on 07/28/2005 11:07:26 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: CDHart

Here's a link to Nuhydro Power Plants that would simultaneously produce electricity, hydrogen & drinking water.
http://www.aaenvironment.com/nuhydro.htm


25 posted on 07/28/2005 11:20:04 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: inquest
Of course I don't want the media to slap lipstick on a pig, but the way they wrote the original intro was grossly misleading. The point of my post is that omission of facts can be, and is often used for deceitful purposes. And since the Republicans control Congress, this is one of those stories that paints the GOP as a re-distributor of wealth back to the wealthy.

Whether or not the bill is any good is a different debate; the tax breaks and subsidies are for energy R&D.

26 posted on 07/28/2005 11:31:29 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: Paradox

Yeah, big bonus checks for ME...

Mandated investment in better equipment, made by my employer...

Not sure how it affects anyone else not in the power protection industry...


27 posted on 07/28/2005 11:33:31 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: BluH2o

Oil and gas-related companies have reported good Q2 earnings, and the entire sector seems to be moving upwards.


28 posted on 07/28/2005 11:33:44 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: kellynla

Great link...thanks

N-power IS they way to go...but the enviro-weenies will not be weened from the nuclear is bad koolaid any time soon...


29 posted on 07/28/2005 11:35:41 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: katieanna

Does this authorize drilling in ANWAR?


30 posted on 07/28/2005 11:38:44 AM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: katieanna

Any food for my gerbil in the bill?


31 posted on 07/28/2005 11:39:28 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: MD_Willington_1976

so what do you think?

is it a good system that would be financially feasible??


32 posted on 07/28/2005 11:41:58 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: katieanna; All

They extend DST by 1 month. Does it start in March or ends in November?


33 posted on 07/28/2005 11:43:31 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Spktyr
1. Is ANWR in it? 2. Is nuclear power in it?

No, our wimpy conservative majority did not insist on ANWR being developed..therefore it's not in the bill.

Nuclear power will be expanded..not enough but at least it's something.

34 posted on 07/28/2005 11:46:37 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: DTogo
"The House by a wide margin approved a mammoth energy plan for the nation Thursday that sends billions of dollars in tax breaks ...to energy companies..."

Exactly how does not forcefully taking money from a company equal sending them money? This is the same twisted logic that the "tax cuts must be payed for" crowd uses. Not taking someone's property does NOT equal a handout!

35 posted on 07/28/2005 11:48:40 AM PDT by Ranald S. MacKenzie (Its the philosophy, stupid.)
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To: Perdogg
They extend DST by 1 month.

I thought that was a state issue, not federal.

Anyway, we need to get rid of DST, not extend it. In the summer when it gets so hot during the day, by the time the sun goes down and things start to cool off, everything's closed. Daylight is one thing we have plenty of in the summer. If anything, we need nighttime savings.

36 posted on 07/28/2005 11:50:24 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
This is the same twisted logic that the "tax cuts must be payed for" crowd uses. Not taking someone's property does NOT equal a handout!

Funny you should say that because many opponents of renewable energies such as wind decry that industry's tax credits as a "subsidy."

37 posted on 07/28/2005 11:53:03 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: kellynla

personally I like the PBMR system, but any newer tech nuclear is good, they've come a long way...


38 posted on 07/28/2005 12:04:23 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: MD_Willington_1976

what is PBMR?
keep in mind I failed HS chemistry, so keep it simple. LOL


39 posted on 07/28/2005 12:06:58 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
Thank you for the info -- I wonder what would happen if we started desalinization on a large scale? Would it affect the salinity of the ocean eventually?

Carolyn

40 posted on 07/28/2005 12:13:00 PM PDT by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: kellynla

Peble based modular reactor

https://www.pbmr.com/

IIRC MIT is now looking into it now..


41 posted on 07/28/2005 12:16:10 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: CDHart; MD_Willington_1976

"I wonder what would happen if we started desalinization on a large scale? Would it affect the salinity of the ocean eventually?"

ya best ask "md willington 1976",
I didn't even pass HS chemistry. LOL


42 posted on 07/28/2005 12:25:27 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Lou L
yes, while I think we should go to Alaska for more oil, it amazes me and infuriates me that we just can't seem to learn to use our oil and gas more efficiently....

whatever happened to saving energy?

43 posted on 07/28/2005 12:29:33 PM PDT by cherry
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To: inquest

DST, I found out through Fox, will be extended two weeks in the Spring and two weeks in the Fall and will not start until 2007.

Late March to Early November.


44 posted on 07/28/2005 12:38:09 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Spktyr

Nuclear power is definetly in it. And who cares if ANWR is in it... we should take the money we would spend on getting the 3 years worth of oil out of ANWR into nuclear. We can't let China get ahead of us on this. No matter what the cost.


45 posted on 07/28/2005 12:40:30 PM PDT by Bulwark
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To: kellynla
Neither did I. I dropped it in lieu of failing it, as I didn't need it to graduate. Sometimes I wish I had paid more attention, though.

Carolyn

46 posted on 07/28/2005 12:46:52 PM PDT by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: BluH2o

"Own several hundred shares of Dynegy. It has experienced a nice upward trend in recent days without much news on the stock. Could it be passage of the energy bill was anticipated ... giving the stock a push?"

Perhaps, although, I'd doubt it. Energy stocks are doing well due to commodity prices and remember too that it is 'hurricane season'. Whenever a storm threatens the Gulf Coast, many of the offshore wells are shut in for several days, pushing gas prices higher still. I would say Dynegy will rock on for some time (unless they come upon some bad plays or dry holes!)


47 posted on 07/28/2005 1:21:12 PM PDT by katieanna
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To: kellynla

we put enough salt back into the ocean as effluents, and enough of it is derived via natural runoff...we could probably never desalinize the entire oceans...


48 posted on 07/28/2005 1:25:45 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: cherry
whatever happened to saving energy?

What incentive is there to save energy? To conservatives saving energy makes no sense at all.

I agree, this is very irritating.

49 posted on 07/28/2005 2:10:58 PM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: Perdogg
DST, I found out through Fox, will be extended two weeks in the Spring and two weeks in the Fall and will not start until 2007.

Is that as a consequence of this bill or another bill?

50 posted on 07/28/2005 2:41:46 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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