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Republican Presidents More Harmful
The New American ^ | June 27, 2005 | John McManus

Posted on 07/28/2005 1:05:23 PM PDT by w6ai5q37b

A Republican president can often enact a more liberal agenda than a Democrat could because many Republicans in Congress are more loyal to party than to principle.

Over the past few generations, congressional Democrats could customarily be relied upon to promote a liberal agenda while their Republican counterparts developed the reputation of being stalwart opponents of our nation's slide into big government and internationalism. The record shows, however, that during the past 50 years, congressional Republicans have exhibited such opposition only when....

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Q: Which is more dangerous, a wolf, or a wolf in sheep's clothing? A socialist, or a socialist Republican?
1 posted on 07/28/2005 1:05:25 PM PDT by w6ai5q37b
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To: w6ai5q37b

I'm guessing that a Bircher rag is more harmful


2 posted on 07/28/2005 1:06:59 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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Q: Which is more dangerous, a wolf, or a wolf in sheep's clothing? A socialist, or a socialist Republican?

A: tin foil birchers.

3 posted on 07/28/2005 1:08:26 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: w6ai5q37b

I support the president based on the WOT. Oh excuse me Global fight angainst extremism.


4 posted on 07/28/2005 1:08:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: w6ai5q37b

Republican Presidents are more liberal than Democratic Presidents, but Democratic Presidents are not more conservative than Republican Presidents?

Somehow that does not add up.


5 posted on 07/28/2005 1:09:41 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: w6ai5q37b

I've had this argument with Liberals before, and aside from the economic boom under Clinton (upon whose coattails they ALWAYS ride with this argument) Republican administrations have historically averaged better economic performance - it's a FACT.


6 posted on 07/28/2005 1:09:57 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: w6ai5q37b
Everyone altogether now, 1-2-3:

"It's All Bush's Fault!"

7 posted on 07/28/2005 1:12:48 PM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("I will Declare the Beauty of The LORD.")
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To: w6ai5q37b

So which Republican President created Social Security? Or mismanaged intelligence in the Korean War? Or conceded Cuba to the communists? Or prevented the US military from deciding the Vietnam War? Or created the departments of Energy and Education? ...


8 posted on 07/28/2005 1:13:05 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: w6ai5q37b
This is not for you, but for the author of the article

9 posted on 07/28/2005 1:16:03 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: w6ai5q37b
The socialist Republian, best explained by example. A Democrat knows he supports a socialist, knows he's voting for increased government. Pretty much all Democrat candidates will have the same general socialist aims.

But an ardent Bush supporter will support him no matter what, even as Bush grows the government. This massive Bush support from Republican voters removes the opportunity for a real conservative Republican to be President.

11 posted on 07/28/2005 1:18:37 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: w6ai5q37b
because many Republicans in Congress are more loyal to party than to principle.

What??? Compared to democrats, or just compared to....whom exactly? And, how does that explain the inability of the Republicans to move stuff through quickly and efficiently?

In any case, you certainly wouldn't get that impression hanging around here for very long.

12 posted on 07/28/2005 1:19:30 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: w6ai5q37b

I vote troll


13 posted on 07/28/2005 1:19:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: w6ai5q37b
Brought to you by the same guys who claimed that Eisenhower was a commie.

And now a few words from Mr. Robert Zimmerman of Duluth, MN:

Well, I was feelin' sad and feelin' blue,

I didn't know what in the world I was gonna do,

Them Communists they wus comin' around,

They wus in the air,

They wus on the ground.

They wouldn't gimme no peace. . .

So I run down most hurriedly

And joined up with the John Birch Society,

I got me a secret membership card

And started off a-walkin' down the road.

Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now!

Look out you Commies!

Now we all agree with Hitlers' views,

Although he killed six million Jews.

It don't matter too much that he was a Fascist,

At least you can't say he was a Communist!

That's to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria.

Well, I wus lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds.

I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed,

Looked in the sink, behind the door,

Looked in the glove compartment of my car.

Couldn't find 'em . . .

I wus lookin' high an' low for them Reds everywhere,

I wus lookin' in the sink an' underneath the chair.

I looked way up my chimney hole,

I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl.

They got away . . .

Well, I wus sittin' home alone an' started to sweat,

Figured they wus in my T.V. set.

Peeked behind the picture frame,

Got a shock from my feet, hittin' right up in the brain.

Them Reds caused it!

I know they did . . . them hard-core ones.

Well, I quit my job so I could work alone,

Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes.

Followed some clues from my detective bag

And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!

That ol' Betty Ross . . .

Well, I investigated all the books in the library,

Ninety percent of 'em gotta be burned away.

I investigated all the people that I knowed,

Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go.

The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . . just like me.

Now Eisenhower, he's a Russian spy,

Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy.

To my knowledge there's just one man

That's really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell.

I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus.

Well, I fin'ly started thinkin' straight

When I run outa things to investigate.

Couldn't imagine doin' anything else,

So now I'm sittin' home investigatin' myself!

Hope I don't find out anything . . . hmm, great God!

14 posted on 07/28/2005 1:21:47 PM PDT by Clemenza (Life Ain't Fair, GET OVER IT!)
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To: w6ai5q37b

I'm tired of voting for TweedleDum or TweedleDee.


15 posted on 07/28/2005 1:22:39 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Try permaculture and get back to the Founders intent. Mr. Jefferson lives!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Winning for the sake of winning isn't worth much if it costs you your ideals.


16 posted on 07/28/2005 1:23:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: w6ai5q37b
Well, I already knew a lot of this but I don't need a zot-bait to tell me any of them.

Perfection in pursuit of the good. Great drama.

17 posted on 07/28/2005 1:38:45 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Dane

So we are not allowed to criticize a Republican president and a Republican Congress?


18 posted on 07/28/2005 1:38:45 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: w6ai5q37b

Watch out. You're going to infuriate the Republibots.


19 posted on 07/28/2005 1:40:22 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Blood of Tyrants
So we are not allowed to criticize a Republican president and a Republican Congress?

I would do it all the time, but losers doing it with superior entertainment value. So I let them.

Doesn't change how I vote though.

20 posted on 07/28/2005 1:41:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

...or sold the Panama Canal...


21 posted on 07/28/2005 1:42:39 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

So which Democrat president created the EPA, the Department of Homeland Security, Affirmative Action, the most restritive campaign law in history, Federal power to check out your reading material, and so many other Federal programs?


22 posted on 07/28/2005 1:43:28 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Clemenza

I agree with you about the Birchers, but they're right about this.

Under the Clinton Administration, domestic discretionary spending increaed an average of 2.3 pecent per year. Under the Bush Administration, it's increased 8,2 percent per year. That is discretionary domestic spending -- nondefense, nonentitlement.


23 posted on 07/28/2005 1:45:45 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; Bernard; BJClinton; BlackbirdSST; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
24 posted on 07/28/2005 1:47:22 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (I WONDERED WHY THE FRISBEE WAS GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER... THEN IT HIT ME)
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To: AppyPappy

Sadly, there is a lot of truth to what McManus is saying even if he is kook.


25 posted on 07/28/2005 1:50:44 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
>>>>So which Republican President created .... the largest government entitlement program since Medicare? [$500 billion prescription drug program for seniors]

Hint, he's in the WH right now.

26 posted on 07/28/2005 1:50:57 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Dane
LOL. Wouldn't you think after 40+ years, the JBS would feel a bit silly?

Just think.........They would have to shrivel up and go away if they didn't keep their paranoia fed.

It's a shame that what likely began as a legitimate group of concerned citizens had to go off the deep end and make themselves laughable. What few things they may be accurate about are lost in the folly.

27 posted on 07/28/2005 1:52:33 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
In the first four years of the Bush administration, the Republicans did increase government spending at the fastest rate since the Lyndon Johnson administration. Bush did give us the largest expansion of Medicare since it originated with the Medicare prescription drug plan. Absolutely nothing is being done about illegal immigration.
28 posted on 07/28/2005 1:53:09 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: DTogo

I don't really care how "the economy" does; I just care how my own economy is doing.


29 posted on 07/28/2005 1:55:46 PM PDT by Huck (Whatever.)
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To: cripplecreek
Winning for the sake of winning isn't worth much if it costs you your ideals.

Eloquently stated. Maybe the Republican party will start pushing conservative candidates if we refuse to elect the socialist Republicans they throw at us and instead let the Dims win.

I can dream, can't I? Then maybe I can change my name to just "antiDemocrat." But it will remain as it is as long as the Republicans push big government.

30 posted on 07/28/2005 1:58:57 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: TBP
Under the Clinton Administration, domestic discretionary spending increaed an average of 2.3 pecent per year. Under the Bush Administration, it's increased 8,2 percent per year. That is discretionary domestic spending -- nondefense, nonentitlement.

Like sailors on shore leave. They can't even kill Amtrak!

31 posted on 07/28/2005 1:59:08 PM PDT by Clemenza (Life Ain't Fair, GET OVER IT!)
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To: w6ai5q37b
"There is an old Vulcan proverb: Only Nixon could go to China." Mr. Spock, in 'Star Trek VI the Undescovered Country'
32 posted on 07/28/2005 1:59:45 PM PDT by Vaquero (an armed society is a polite society (Heinlein).)
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To: w6ai5q37b

Whoever posted the keyword "PRECIOUSBODILYFLUIDS" is my new hero.


33 posted on 07/28/2005 2:00:28 PM PDT by Skooz (Political Correctness will eventually destroy America)
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To: TBP

Do not forget about the ADA, Medicare Act, DEA, SSI, OSHA, and the Minority Business Enterprise.


34 posted on 07/28/2005 2:03:35 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: antiRepublicrat

To truely win you must be willing to lose. I'll chance seeing a democrat in office if the republicans learn something from it.


35 posted on 07/28/2005 2:04:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
This massive Bush support from Republican voters removes the opportunity for a real conservative Republican to be President.

The definition of the term 'real conservative' is quite subjective.

Those who try to claim to be the 'real conservatives' should remember that a President is President to all people, not just those who call themselves 'true conservatives.'

The political feelings of people in this country fall across a wide spectrum. A President that satisfied those who call themselves 'true conservatives' would not be serving about 75% of the country.

36 posted on 07/28/2005 2:04:57 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: TBP
I agree with you about the Birchers, but they're right about this.

Under the Clinton Administration, domestic discretionary spending increaed an average of 2.3 pecent per year. Under the Bush Administration, it's increased 8,2 percent per year. That is discretionary domestic spending -- nondefense, nonentitlement.

Yup. Bush is no friend of those who would like to see a smaller, less intrusive government.

Anyone who would like to claim otherwise is welcome to list any accomplishments Bush has made in this direction.

37 posted on 07/28/2005 2:05:06 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: w6ai5q37b

I printed out and mailed these charts to the National Republican Committee and told them to take me off their mailing lists and email lists:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1400545/posts?page=59#55

I see no reason why anyone should donate to the Republican party. You get a much better bang for your buck and you can be certain it's getting spend on shrinking government with these guys (Club For Growth):
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/why.php

From those charts before it looks like the GOP is doing the opposite of what the people who donate to it want it to do.


38 posted on 07/28/2005 2:12:12 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/janicerogersbrown.htm)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
So which Republican President created Social Security? Or mismanaged intelligence in the Korean War? Or conceded Cuba to the communists? Or prevented the US military from deciding the Vietnam War? Or created the departments of Energy and Education?

So which republican president created a one TRILLION dollar prescription drug benefit for Seniors that was defeated under the Clinton administration ?which republican president said all states should have the right to create their own medical marijuana laws when he was running for the job then ordered his administration to fight the states marijuana laws all the way to the supreme court and got the 10 amendment eliminated for all practical purposes forever?which republican president took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and the signed campaign finance reform which that took away almost all speech rights?Which republican president is lifting entire paragraphs from George Orwell's 1984 and turning them into federal law?Which republican president created the no child left behind act that gave godlike powers to the federal nea over local school districts that everyone agrees is doomed to failure?Which republican let Ted the swimmer Kennedy write the education bill?

speaking of schools.Which republican president who has lots of friends running pharmaceutical companys just made it mandatory for every schoolchild from preschool to senior in high school to have a mental health screening every year and if found to have any mental health problems based on the diagnoses of a school shrink that is so lousy that cant get into private practice but have to take a school district job will be forced to take whatever drug (ie riddillin, thorazine, prozac)the shrinks puts them on?Oh yeah and if you cant afford it no problem the tax payers will pay it for you every month.

One last thing rember the keto ruling that said private property rights are a figment of your imagination and that the government owns all property and can take your house from you anytime a big business owner want its 3 of the 5 supreme court "justices" that ruled that way were appointed by republicans.

39 posted on 07/28/2005 2:14:30 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (I WONDERED WHY THE FRISBEE WAS GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER... THEN IT HIT ME)
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To: Soul_of_Chogokin
Clinto had nothing to do with the economic boom which ultimately ran out of gas and placed us in a temperory recession. The dot.coms helped with that. Business eventually went under from the dot.com boom.

I know the article is rubbish and Clinton had little to do with the '90s boom, but Liberals always try to make that argument. So if you take them on that basis, then aside from the '90s under Clinton, Republican administrations have better performing economies during their term since the data started being kept.

40 posted on 07/28/2005 2:14:39 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: w6ai5q37b
'many Republicans in Congress are more loyal to party than to principle. '

I think they have the party confused.

41 posted on 07/28/2005 2:15:48 PM PDT by mathluv (Mercy shown to an evil man is cruelty to the innocent.)
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To: MEGoody
The definition of the term 'real conservative' is quite subjective.

Yes it is, but the aspect of conservatism we're talking about here is the desire for a smaller, less-intrusive government.

42 posted on 07/28/2005 2:31:11 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: cripplecreek
To truely win you must be willing to lose.

You're full of good ones today!

43 posted on 07/28/2005 2:31:53 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: zeugma
"Yup. Bush is no friend of those who would like to see a smaller, less intrusive government. Anyone who would like to claim otherwise is welcome to list any accomplishments Bush has made in this direction." Not me. He has enlarged government. Let illegal immigration get out of hand (a definite negative after 9/11) and has a hands off policy to much in the middle east that needs a good swift kick in the ass. I dont know what he stands for and I voted for him and still consider him the only choice. The people need to somehow make a statement.
44 posted on 07/28/2005 2:49:51 PM PDT by Vaquero (an armed society is a polite society (Heinlein).)
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To: Publius6961
I vote troll

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

45 posted on 07/28/2005 2:51:39 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: AppyPappy
Yes, that Bircher "rag" is more harmful to people like you who deny truth and spend their lives sound asleep and completely blind to what's going on around you.

The fact is that the Birchers have been right on every single issue, without exception, since 1958 when the society was formed to fight communism and one world-ism.

Before you criticize, do a little research. Have a nice day.
46 posted on 07/28/2005 2:54:42 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: AppyPappy
Yes, that Bircher "rag" is more harmful to people like you who deny truth and spend their lives sound asleep and completely blind to what's going on around you.

The fact is that the Birchers have been right on every single issue, without exception, since 1958 when the society was formed to fight communism and one world-ism.

Before you criticize, do a little research. Have a nice day.
47 posted on 07/28/2005 2:55:01 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Corin Stormhands
...or sold the Panama Canal...

Good one.

You're not a Michael Moorcock fan are you?

48 posted on 07/28/2005 2:56:24 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DTogo

Just wait until Medicare prescription riders start hitting your paycheck.


49 posted on 07/28/2005 2:57:27 PM PDT by dajeeps
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To: w6ai5q37b

Harmful to what? Liberalism? Socialism? Communism?


50 posted on 07/28/2005 3:05:39 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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