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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 11
Various News Outlets | 7/29/05

Posted on 07/29/2005 7:28:13 AM PDT by TexKat

Natalee Holloway is shown in this undated family photo. (AP Photo/family photo)


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KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; everyoneschild; greta; joran; kalpoes; keystonekops; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; richwhitepretty; satish; sybil; twitty; womensissue
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Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance

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Natalee's body found... (false report)

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Blond Hair Found on Aruba Shore to Be Tested in Case of Missing U.S. Teen (attached to duct tape...

1 posted on 07/29/2005 7:28:14 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: Andy'smom; antceecee; sarasota; ruoflaw; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; ...
Twitty 'Relieved' Hair Not Natalee's

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Another intriguing lead in the two-month old search for Natalee Holloway (search) came to nothing, as the FBI concluded that strands of blond hair stuck to duct tape did not come from the missing Alabama teenager.

The hair, which was found on July 17, was subjected to genetic testing at the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., and the results showed they were not from the 18-year-old who has been missing since May 30, said spokeswoman Judy Orihuela.

"It wasn't Natalee's hair," Orihuela said.

A park ranger found the duct tape while collecting trash on Aruba's northeast coast — the opposite side of the island from where the Alabama woman was last seen in public.

"I was completely relieved" by the FBI results, said Beth Holloway Twitty (search), the teen's mother. "Everytime we exhaust something like this it's a possibility that Natalee is still alive."

A sample of the hair also was tested at a crime lab in the Netherlands, but the results have not been released.

Aruban government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said he doubted the Dutch results would differ from the FBI's findings. Aruba, a Dutch protectorate, doesn't have a lab to conduct the genetic testing.

"The hair was never something we considered significant but it needed to be checked out," Trapenberg said.

The news came as authorities in Aruba neared the end of an effort to drain a pond near a hotel and tennis club that has become a focus in the investigation. Holloway disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island.

Extensive searches by Dutch marines, Aruban police and some 2,000 volunteers have found no trace of her.

No one has been charged in the case and Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, is the only person detained as a suspect. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were previously held and released.

Crews expected to finish draining the pond on Friday, said Gabriel Kelly, a spokesman for the island's fire department, which was coordinating the effort.

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2 posted on 07/29/2005 7:31:15 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Admin Moderator would you please correct the title of this thread and change it to Thread 11. Thank you for your assistance.


3 posted on 07/29/2005 7:33:25 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

I thought we just had 10. Thanks for keeping up TK.


4 posted on 07/29/2005 7:36:44 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (...when the Iraqi soldiers stand up, we will stand down...GWB)
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To: TexKat
Whew...I was confused for a moment there. Running around all over FR trying to figure out where to go. You know I'm lost without you so please don't lose me again!!!===
5 posted on 07/29/2005 7:38:49 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: bolta_lightnin

Hey, over here. Come on.


6 posted on 07/29/2005 7:43:07 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat

Got it.. Thanks.....


7 posted on 07/29/2005 7:46:15 AM PDT by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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bttt


8 posted on 07/29/2005 7:49:28 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Fritzy
For those that would like to continue to discuss the Natalee Holloway case only:

Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 11

9 posted on 07/29/2005 7:51:25 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Bookmark for later reading


10 posted on 07/29/2005 7:55:03 AM PDT by looney tune
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To: Froufrou

"Where is the landfill in relation to the 'old' Hilton?

Didn't someone postulate that the old Hilton may have an underground garage? Perfect place for a rave?"

I haven't saved any of the maps that have been posted here so I don't know. TK, can you help with that?

A basement parking garage is interesting. But, would people at ground level still be able to here the music? Also, if it's at sea level can you have a basement?


11 posted on 07/29/2005 7:56:42 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat; truthluva; Rippersnapper; bolta_lightnin

Where is the landfill in relation to the 'old' Hilton?

Didn't someone postulate that the old Hilton may have an underground garage? Perfect place for a rave?

So, if not Natalee's hair, did some other female meet with a similar fate?


12 posted on 07/29/2005 7:58:16 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: TexKat

I meant to include you on the other post. Did you save any of the maps that might indicate where the Allegro or Old Hilton might be in relationship to the landfill?


13 posted on 07/29/2005 7:58:42 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat


Today is Friday --- let's see if they finish draining the pond. I was shocked to see it on tv. Much larger than I had imagined.


14 posted on 07/29/2005 7:58:47 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: TexKat

This is going to be a big weekend for the Holloway case. Lots of activity now (about time!!!). Wouldn't be surprised if the case is cracked by Sunday evening. I have been following this case since Day 1 too -- I'm very happy that finally some progress is happening.


15 posted on 07/29/2005 7:59:25 AM PDT by jdm (The answer to the extra credit question on a Columbia U exam is always choice C: "Bush's Fault.")
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To: Froufrou

A guy came forward, a surfer, and said that it might be his or another surfers becasue they sometimes use duct tape to hold their hair back. Ouch!


16 posted on 07/29/2005 7:59:56 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: onyx

I heard on Fox that there is some guy who surfs that has long blonde hair and binds it with duct tape. They figure that may be who the hair on tape belongs to.


17 posted on 07/29/2005 8:00:58 AM PDT by LYSandra
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To: truthluva
"Where is the landfill in relation to the 'old' Hilton?

I do not recall that we have posted such a map truthluva. But I will be on the look out for one.

18 posted on 07/29/2005 8:01:02 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: onyx
"Today is Friday --- let's see if they finish draining the pond. I was shocked to see it on tv. Much larger than I had imagined."

The pond is deceptively large. I've done a lot of research online and the pond itself is not too terribly enormous -- although I certainly agree it appears that way on TV. I won't be surprised if this case is cracked by Sunday night. This is arguably the biggest weekend in the Holloway case to date.
19 posted on 07/29/2005 8:01:58 AM PDT by jdm (The answer to the extra credit question on a Columbia U exam is always choice C: "Bush's Fault.")
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To: onyx
Today is Friday --- let's see if they finish draining the pond. I was shocked to see it on tv. Much larger than I had imagined.

I know I was a bit taken back when I saw the size of it.

20 posted on 07/29/2005 8:02:57 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: LYSandra


I am really glad the hair was not Natalee's.


21 posted on 07/29/2005 8:03:25 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: truthluva

I saw you had posted that you read Shango early on. I didn't try to decipher any of it until this morning, after bolta_lightnin sent it to me. I have mixed feelings about it, but I'm not ready to discount it yet.

I have real concern that this is more about sex trade than drugs. Drug dudes don't have much trouble covering themselves, IMHO. It's most often the little people who take the falls when there's a bust.

But sex trade is nasty business. Particularly when it involves an American, since we are the hallmark of equality of the sexes. The biggest reason I can't let go of this possibility is because of the Amy Bradley story. My theory is that whoever received her may have received Natalee, too. There is an obvious path between Aruba and Curacao that many people are going to great lengths to conceal.


22 posted on 07/29/2005 8:03:42 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: jdm


For you to say that, do you think the pond contains evidence?


24 posted on 07/29/2005 8:04:36 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: truthluva

Kwap! Wanta haircut? No thanks, I'll just rip it out...


25 posted on 07/29/2005 8:04:51 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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The reason the Shango posts piqued my interest (aka pricked up the 'ol ears LOL) was his insistance to "follow the music". I googled Aruba Palace, found the lyrics to an old song about Raving at the Aruba Palace, googled and found that this was the name of a casino at the Aruba Americana Hotel, found that Americana and it's Palace Casino existed right smack next door to the Wyndham (Old Hilton) and that Americana was an "OLD" Hotel as well since it is currently The Occidental Allegro. Back to square one and BINGO!


26 posted on 07/29/2005 8:04:51 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: TexKat
I don't care to retype it, but certain folks should read my post #976 on Thread 10....and take it to heart.

Leni

27 posted on 07/29/2005 8:05:02 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: onyx
Today is Friday --- let's see if they finish draining the pond. I was shocked to see it on tv. Much larger than I had imagined.

Is this 'pond' the wetland across from the Marriot and Haricurari beach?

28 posted on 07/29/2005 8:05:10 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: truthluva

"A basement parking garage is interesting. But, would people at ground level still be able to here the music? Also, if it's at sea level can you have a basement?"

The Wshburn Tunnel in Pasadena, TX goes under the Houston Ship Channel, so I imagine anything is possible.

People at ground level may not be able to hear the music, but then that would be better for the ravers, wouldn't it?


29 posted on 07/29/2005 8:06:50 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: TexKat


LOL! Looked like the size of a football field to me. I read here, that it isn't all that deep... so it has to be large for the draining to take such a long while, despite the backflow from the sea.

Thanks for the new thread and all of your GOOD work.


30 posted on 07/29/2005 8:07:00 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: jdm
Wouldn't be surprised if the case is cracked by Sunday evening.

I don't know about Sunday jdm. I ran across some article a few minutes ago that had something to the effect that one of the witnesses is not panning out too well.

I will see if I can find it again and see if it is legitimate source. Oh yes now I remember where I saw it, it was Riehl World. I'll post and we can decide.

31 posted on 07/29/2005 8:07:12 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Packed and ready to go home and to a bright future, and then one terrible and tragic decision. She was (I assume the past tense) a very pretty and gifted girl, and she has an amazing mother. If Beth Holloway Twitty and other family members had not done what they have done, this tragedy would have been swept under the carpet and forgotten by now. Maybe, just maybe, justice will come in the end.


32 posted on 07/29/2005 8:07:30 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: onyx

Thank you onyx.


33 posted on 07/29/2005 8:07:58 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Rippersnapper

Yes, that;s my understanding... nearby to the Marriot. A pictorial map was posted on the other thread...lol.. should you care to search. :)


34 posted on 07/29/2005 8:09:17 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: Froufrou
I'm thinkin that Aruba makes Bangkok look like DisneyLand
35 posted on 07/29/2005 8:10:37 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: TexKat

I missed yesterday's posts entirely. Thanks for your efforts to keep us on subject.


36 posted on 07/29/2005 8:11:26 AM PDT by auboy
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To: onyx
Yes, that;s my understanding... nearby to the Marriot. A pictorial map was posted on the other thread...lol.. should you care to search. :)

That's why I asked, because according to the one pic/map it looked like the pond and the wetland were two different places.

If you want to find that pic an repost you'll see what I mean. LOL

37 posted on 07/29/2005 8:14:09 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: MinuteGal

Thread 10 - Post 976 Bump.


38 posted on 07/29/2005 8:15:07 AM PDT by auboy
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To: Rippersnapper

If you want to find that pic an repost you'll see what I mean. LOL





LOL Be my guest...lol.


39 posted on 07/29/2005 8:16:37 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: auboy

Bump!!


40 posted on 07/29/2005 8:19:00 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: MinuteGal

Moving your outstanding post over to the new thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1452328/posts?page=976#976

To: TexKat
Good for you, Tex.

JimRob permits a lot of leeway in allowing threads and subjects not remotely connected with the stated purpose of this forum.......conservative politics, philosophy and culture.

Too many unthinking posters take advantage of Jim's big tent by utilizing various threads as chat rooms and koffee klatch forums. I'm surprised there are no recipes posted on the Holloway threads by some.

I'm not in the least bit interested in the weather at your house, what you snacked on before going to bed too late, and your kid's progress at school.

There are many knowledgeable posters on this "true crime" series of threads. I'm interested in their information and theories.....and comparing their thoughts with mine.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate MATURE commentators who stay on topic and realize these Natalie threads are not about THEM and their personal lives.....or about their petty, eye-glazing squabbles which serve only to drive readers away from a perfectly fine ongoing thread.

Leni


41 posted on 07/29/2005 8:28:16 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: bolta_lightnin
"...I'm thinkin that Aruba makes Bangkok look like DisneyLand...."

Believe I'd take Aruba, any day. The Missus and I have been vacationing there for a number of years (we have a timeshare)and I can't imagine a more relaxing, peaceful spot on the planet.

Human nature being what it is, something like this was bound to happen, even in paradise.

I'll still go to Aruba. Better than Newark NJ anytime. Or probably Bangkok.

42 posted on 07/29/2005 8:28:32 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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43 posted on 07/29/2005 8:28:40 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva

Tim Miller said last night that the landfill is out by the airport. I think Greta asked him how close it was to the Marriott. He said not close. Someone with better memory than me might recall exactly what he said....lol


44 posted on 07/29/2005 8:29:51 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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I asked Tim Miller's group to please check behind the two Hotels a couple weeks ago in a short email, not making any paranormal references, G_d knows.
Had sent a similar short email request to family contact at NataleeHolloway.net prior to that.
Have since called the FBI hotline, spoke to an agent in person with now very specific details about the goings on at the Allegro and the hiding location. He wanted to know where this came from and so I was busted. I'm like (long pause) uh, have you heard of that movie "White Noise"?
They won't look there now. He said he'd forward info to Miami, but you know how that goes : (


45 posted on 07/29/2005 8:34:34 AM PDT by bolta_lightnin (*Warning* This thread has just been haunted.)
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To: gopheraj

place mark


46 posted on 07/29/2005 8:34:50 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: bolta_lightnin

I think you're right. There has to be more to this than merely drugs. The sex trade is the only answer I can think of, unless it's pure-dee murder for sport.

Remember when a guy started a nudie paintball place? The girls were getting hurt and someone closed it down. Nothing surprises me anymore. Some people are subvile pigs.


47 posted on 07/29/2005 8:38:49 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Andy'smom; antceecee; sarasota; ruoflaw; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; ...
From Riehl World View:

Natalee Holloway Witness Stumbles: Leads Thin - Riehl World View

ArubaToday, an Aruban publication in english, online here

, claims that a witness discovered by Twitty family Private Investigator, T.J. Ward in the Natalee Holloway case may be of little real value.

Private Investigator T.J.Ward,who is working for the Twitty family,speaks to a journalist from People magazine about his investigation. Ward ’s recent finding of a witness sadly fizzled out after she couldn ’t identify the make or color of the car or even the date or time it passed by her home adjacent to the Racquet Club.

Reportedly, it appears her ability to place the car of Deepak Kalpoe at the location is in serious doubt.

The report from ArubaToday also disputes earlier claims found in Diario, another Aruban publication - that it seemed as though something had been found in the pond.

Crews expected to finish draining the pond on Friday,said Gabriel Kelly,a spokesman for the island ’s fire department,which was coordinating the effort.“So far we haven ’t found anything out of the ordinary,”Kelly said.

48 posted on 07/29/2005 8:39:30 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Jrabbit
Tim Miller said last night that the landfill is out by the airport. I think Greta asked him how close it was to the Marriott. He said not close. Someone with better memory than me might recall exactly what he said....lol

You are correct Jrabbit.

49 posted on 07/29/2005 8:40:47 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: onyx
Found it. You can see that the POND is in the midst of that development.

Pond pic Scroll to the second picture.

But, in the other map showing an overall of ARUBA you can see that the wetland is definately NORTH of the development and WAAAY larger than the pond.

50 posted on 07/29/2005 8:41:55 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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