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Justice Breyer's Plainfield home eyed for 'Constitution Park'
Valley News ^ | July 28, 2005 | David Corriveau

Posted on 07/30/2005 11:55:25 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes

Justice Breyer's Plainfield Home Eyed for ‘Constitution Park' By David Corriveau Valley News Staff Writer Plainfield -- If the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire and its allies have their way, someday two stone monuments will stand on U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen G. Breyer's Plainfield property.

Short of that, the Libertarians hope to cause Breyer some discomfort for his vote last month on a controversial court decision freeing cities and towns to take land and turn it over to private developers. They are planning a petition drive asking Plainfield voters to take Breyer's 167-acre vacation retreat by eminent domain at their 2006 Town Meeting. After ousting the Breyers, the Libertarians would create “Constitution Park,” to include one monument commemorating the U.S. Constitution and another for the New Hampshire Constitution.

“The point is: What goes around, comes around,” Mike Lorrey, the Libertarian Party's vice chairman in New Hampshire's Second Congressional District, said yesterday. “This is a way of saying, ‘You’re going to be held to your own standard.' ”

Lorrey said that the effort follows up a California businessman's proposal to test that court decision by taking Justice David Souter's Weare, N.H., farm by eminent domain and replacing it with a posh “Lost Liberty Hotel.” Lorrey said that Edward Naile, president of the Coalition of New Hampshire Taxpayers, has recruited some Plainfield residents to go around town, seeking signatures of town voters. Naile did not return messages left for him yesterday.

(Excerpt) Read more at vnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: breyer; constitution; constitutionpark; eminentdomain; kelo; libertarian; scotus; stephenbreyer
Hehhehheh. Make 'em squirm a little. I know right where this place is. I work for the electric co-op that supplies electricity to this place.
1 posted on 07/30/2005 11:55:26 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes
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To: Past Your Eyes
According to town records, the Breyer property is assessed at $617,300. Thanks to a current-use credit on the land surrounding the house, Breyer pays property taxes on $199,003 of the total value.

Them that has, gets...

2 posted on 07/30/2005 12:02:39 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

L'Chaim! Hello fellow citizen.


3 posted on 07/30/2005 12:07:06 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
I work for the electric co-op that supplies electricity to this place.

If he's ever a day late in his bill, you know the drill.....

Pfffft. Lights out.

4 posted on 07/30/2005 12:07:56 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Hey, how do I get me one of them "current-use credits"??


5 posted on 07/30/2005 12:10:52 PM PDT by FinallyBackInNH
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To: Past Your Eyes

Due to copyright, I guess they couldn't name it Jurassic Park in honor of the dinosaurs on the court today.


6 posted on 07/30/2005 12:11:30 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: FinallyBackInNH

My family has a lot of land in "current use". In fact we're looking at putting a bunch more flood plain land into that designation because the taxes are killing us.
Parcel has to be at least 10 acres. There are restrictions. Check at the town office.
There's nothing wrong with it. It promotes "open" land.


7 posted on 07/30/2005 12:14:00 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Howdy! It would be great if you could take a pic of the place and post it.

What ticks me off is that I have to pay taxes on the FULL assessment of my humble 1600 sq. ft detached condo - no land, while Breyer's final assessment ends up being less than mine for a 4,964-square-foot house and 167 acres!


8 posted on 07/30/2005 12:17:38 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I may be able to do that. In fact I might just "find" myself over in that neighborhood next week. I'm pretty sure there's something there that requires my attention. As the minutes go by, I'm growing more and more sure of it.


9 posted on 07/30/2005 12:23:34 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
This is what it looks like from the air. Image hosted by Photobucket.com
10 posted on 07/30/2005 1:05:57 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Looks like a nice place for a FReeper "Woodstock"...


11 posted on 07/30/2005 1:11:33 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Plainfield is a very nice town. It's on the Left Coast of New Hampshire, next to the Connecticut River and the New Hampshire Grants. (Some people call it Vermont.)


12 posted on 07/30/2005 1:14:34 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
"Breyer pays property taxes on $199,003 of the total value."



YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!! 617,300 and he only pays property taxes of 199,003?? WHAT A FREAKIN farce!! A current-use credit on the land surrounding the house, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?? How unfair, while the little folk like us, pay much more in taxes, while they the rich simmer in luxury and pay pittance! Ughhh!
13 posted on 07/30/2005 1:35:47 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Past Your Eyes

Hallelujah!! It has finally happened. The worm, having lain off to the side quietly and patiently, has turned..., morphed into a gaboon viper and struck with a sudden swiftness upon being agitated and provoked.

A great big WELL DONE to the New Hampshire Libertarian Party. They have taken the first step and decided that the USSC, in a participatory democracy, can be taught a lesson by a public butt-whipping and humiliation. They have set about to select the deserved Justice Breyer, one of the Supreme Gang of Five, for an exercise of What Goes Around Comes Around.

NOW,,,THEY need OUR HELP. FREEpers band together and use our collective power. I implore you to send an email to:

Chair of the New Hampshire Libertarian Party at
jbabiarz@lpnh.org/

and Cc: address the Media Director in that same email, at
rtomasso@lpnh.org/

and also include as Cc: addressee the Valley News editor's desk at
editor@vnews.com/

This should ensure that the local paper that broke this story and the organization who initiated the effort knows that this is an ISSUE OF COMMON AND NATIONAL CONCERN. I also would suggest that you mail informational links to your own personal mail groups/lists to help spread the word and insure a groundswell of response.

The text of my own email is as follows and feel free to use it or modify it to make your sentiments known:



Regarding>>> http://www.vnews.com/0782005/2535185.htm

Libertarians of New Hampshire, you are to be congratulated and supported. You have held to the high ideals of your state's motto of "Live Free Or Die". In a time when many only pay mere lip service to issues of concern you have stood tall by your bold actions.

Please accept this letter in the spirit given. It is so done in the realization that a lone voice in the wilderness may encourage others to cry out thereby creating a tumultuous and thunderous roar.
This Nation is now greatly polarized and finds itself at a crossroads. This is a manifestation of the United States Supreme Court having failed in it's inherent obligation to interpret the constitution and law for the betterment and benefit of ALL the people. This latest abomination, the extension of the interpretation of the Law of Eminent Domain to include property for "private" usage...., justified by the ends of alleged public benefit is a corruption of responsibility and exercise is pusillanimous prevarication and exposes the effect of the almighty $ in action.

Citizens of New Hampshire, you have taken the lead and we are supporting you without equivocation and independent of political affiliation. Remember, if there is NO sanctity in your personal property for which you have worked a lifetime to accumulate, then what of your personal freedom? I urge all my veteran and citizen friends to 'forward' this email to further garner support for this noble effort. All Ahead Flank!

Bob


14 posted on 07/30/2005 1:55:52 PM PDT by doctorhugo
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To: Past Your Eyes

If money is needed in this effort- --- I hope they make that need PUBLIC....

I'm confident, all the money needed to "take" this bastard's land could be raised in a "wink"....

Semper Fi


15 posted on 07/30/2005 2:02:17 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Sounds like a winner!


16 posted on 07/30/2005 3:08:14 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Past Your Eyes

" I work for the electric co-op that supplies electricity to this place"

why does he still have electricity?


17 posted on 07/30/2005 3:09:51 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: doctorhugo

bttt


18 posted on 07/30/2005 3:11:17 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (The modern Democratic Party: Attacking our defenders and defending our attackers.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Oh, ah, didn't you see it? It's in the pantyumbra of the Constitution. Judge and reporters are in a class of special people",,exempt from most law. Keeps llokin, it's there.


19 posted on 07/31/2005 4:16:00 AM PDT by Waco
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To: dalereed
"why does he still have electricity?"---- Because I, like most conservatives, are law abiding citizens who respect rules and duly constituted authority. Not only that, I prefer to stay employed and unincarcerated, thank you.
20 posted on 07/31/2005 4:26:39 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Oops. Pardon the poor grammar. I "am" a law abiding citizen who "respects"....etc.


21 posted on 07/31/2005 4:28:10 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

I would love to see this goober lose his residence. Then we could say, Hey Breyer, put some "ice cream" on that.


22 posted on 07/31/2005 4:38:41 AM PDT by doosee
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

give us an address for a map, never can tell when one of us might want to stop by for a "talk" about things.


23 posted on 07/31/2005 5:15:12 AM PDT by BILL_C
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To: NormsRevenge
They could always name it Bolshevik Park.
24 posted on 07/31/2005 5:17:51 AM PDT by reg45
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To: BILL_C

Do a ZABASEARCH, you can find amazing things. Download USAPHOTOMAPS, type in the address you come up with, and download a map. It is all freeware. Buy a GPS with a comm cable, download into it, and you get a little arrow showing you the way.
The Google maps and similar ones are fun to play with, but nothing beats USAPHOTOMAPS for functionality. It is too cool to describe, you have to try it.


25 posted on 07/31/2005 12:13:01 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: Past Your Eyes

LOL

Then they need to add one more monument, to Justice Breyer, without whose misguided idiocy it would not have been possible.


26 posted on 07/31/2005 12:17:11 PM PDT by SerpentDove (Mmmm...doughnuts...)
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To: SerpentDove

Hold that thought!
I rather doubt that anything like that will ever happen because we just don't operate like that in New Hampshire. But it sure is fun to think of the possibilities, isn't it?
";^)
Let's see, we got Souter, who's a native :(
Breyer with a "summer home" and Mitt Romney with a "place on the lake". I wonder how many more of them there are here that we don't even know about. Quite a few, I would venture.


27 posted on 07/31/2005 12:59:07 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: Past Your Eyes
My family has a lot of land in "current use".

Is that the same as an agricultural use tax credit?....I'm looking to move to NH in about 2 yrs, and am watching property values. I would like to acquire a home with land, but only if I can obtain an agricultural type tax credit.

28 posted on 08/01/2005 7:06:44 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Katya

Not sure about agricultural tax credit. But any reputable realtor should be able to tell you about the current use rules and regulations. It doesn't have to be agricultural land...just "open" land.
Unless this real estate bubble pops and totally collapses, you'd better have a barrel of money if you expect to buy land here.


29 posted on 08/01/2005 12:39:52 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

I live in the DC area...so my trade here equals land plus house up there. The only thing I'm trying to avoid is the heavy property tax burden. Considering there are few other taxes, I shouldn't complain....but if I buy a property over say half a mil, I'll need a tax credit of some sort. I'll have to look on NH .gov site for info on the in current use credits. My idea was to plant some teeny xmas trees and declare myself a tree farm. I'd like to find about 25 acres with either an old house or a contemporary, possibly with some water frontage or at least a farm pond, anywhere in southern NH.


30 posted on 08/01/2005 5:55:32 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Katya

Good luck. Your money would go a lot further in Northern NH, especially Coos County. Besides, southern NH is pretty much Massachusetts lite these days.
:(


31 posted on 08/01/2005 6:02:58 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: river rat

Thanks for the congrats, folks.

As River Rat suggested, we are seeking support. I'm forming an organization for this, the Constitution Park Foundation.

http://constitutionpark.blogspot.com

At this site there is a link to a pledgebank page to pledge money, time, or if you are a Plainfield resident, a signature on the petition.

While ideally I'd like to offer Breyer the $199k value he pays taxes on, and that might be a good point to motivate him to challenge it in court, just to publicly illustrate how so many rich cheese heads use the current use law to create their own mini-kingdoms cheaply (and, btw, current use land is supposed to be open to public recreation like hunting, fishing, hiking, or snowmobiling, but Breyers is fenced), we'll likely need to fork over something around the assessed value (or higher).

His log home on the property is supposed to be over 4,900 sq ft, plus some outbuildings, plenty of space for an interpretive center, etc. and we may seek to build a lodge for folks to stay at (so there may be potential to work with Clements "Lost Liberty Hotel" on this) when attending constitution seminars. It all depends on how much folks want to work on this.


32 posted on 08/03/2005 11:14:49 AM PDT by mlorrey ("If the LP caused the FSP, then Nixon caused the War Powers Act" - Mike Lorrey)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I never did get to that property this week, but I did find out that there is a gate. Could I access the property? No doubt. Will I? Nope, not without a valid reason...which may just happen some day. I'm patient.


33 posted on 08/05/2005 4:38:18 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
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To: doctorhugo

Amen. I add my congratulations to the NH Libertarians. What a great idea! Let's hope this, at least, creates major headaches for Breyer for years to come. I'll be happy to drop $25 on this, if I can find out where to send it.


34 posted on 08/12/2005 7:04:18 PM PDT by garryg24
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To: garryg24

You might want to simply email>>>
Chair of the New Hampshire Libertarian Party at
jbabiarz@lpnh.org

and ask if they have a support fund set up; specifically, in support of the Breyer issue. Good Luck!


35 posted on 08/13/2005 5:24:43 PM PDT by doctorhugo
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To: garryg24

Follow-up to my last reply to you.

Forgot to mention to you that one thing that really caught my attention is the supposed second effort of a similar nature to go after Justice's Souter's farm too.
Can't think of a better exercise of democracy in action as an upset public puts the feet of legislating Supreme Court justices to the fire. Today, I heard the first mention of the Breyer issue on the TV news. If things get rolling against Souter too..., it'll be all over and the pressure to NOT LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH will be felt by ALL THE JUSTICES.


36 posted on 08/13/2005 5:33:22 PM PDT by doctorhugo
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