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Protopalatial Sanctuary at Anemospilia (Archanes), More on the Peaceful Minoans
Web Site ^ | Temple of the Sacred Sprial

Posted on 07/30/2005 7:03:20 PM PDT by Little Bill

Excavated in the summer of 1979, this four-room building set within a low enclosure (temenos) wall serves as a reminder that our views about a past culture may be subject to sudden and drastic change as the result of a single new discovery. The building, oriented roughly to the cardinal points and entered from the north, lies on the northern slopes of Mt. Iuktas some seven kilometers south of Knossos

. In plan, it consists of an east-west corridor at the front off of which open three non-connecting rectangular rooms oriented north-south. In the east room were found large numbers of clay vessels containing agricultural produce, many of them arranged on a series of three steps, perhaps an altar, at the back (south) end of the room.

In the central room, more vases containing agricultural produce were found. These too tended to be located toward the south (rear) end of the room, in the vicinity of a raised platform on which were found two terracotta feet, all that remained, in the excavators' opinion, of a cult statue made mostly of wood, only the carbonized remains of which were actually discovered.

Near the statue and its base, part of the limestone bedrock was left exposed above floor level rather than being cut down and the excavators identify this outcrop as a "sacred stone" over which blood offerings may have been poured.

In the west room, three skeletons were found in positions which indicated that all three had met a violent end: (1) An 18-year-old male, the skeleton so tightly contracted that he is considered to have been trussed in a fashion comparable to that of the sacrificial bull on the Ayia Triadha sarcophagus, was found lying on his right side on a platform in the center of the room.

Among his bones was a bronze dagger 0.40 m. long, on each side of which was incised the frontal head of a boar. Close beside the platform (or sacrificial altar) had stood a pillar with a trough around its base, the trough probably designed to catch the blood from animal (and human) sacrifices. The dead youth's bones were discolored in such a way (those on his upper/left side being white, those on his lower/right side being black) as to suggest to a visiting physical anthropologist that the youth, estimated to have been 5' 5" tall, had died from loss of blood. (2) A 28-year-old female of medium build was found spreadeagled in the southwest corner of the room. (3) A male in his late thirties, 6' tall, was found on his back near the sacrificial platform, his hands raised as though to protect his face, his legs broken by fallen building debris. On the little finger of his left hand he wore a ring of silver and iron. On a thong around his wrist he wore a stone seal on which the intaglio device was a boat.

In the corridor constituting the front room of the building, aside from rows of still more vessels containing agricultural produce, was found a fourth skeleton, too poorly preserved for sex and age to be determinable. Scattered widely around this body were found 105 joining fragments of a bucket-shaped clay vessel bearing a red-spotted bull in relief as decoration on one side.

This was the only vase of the roughly four hundred vessels recovered from the building to be found littered over such a wide area, and the excavators theorize that it was dropped in the corridor by the fourth person when (s)he was felled by the collapsing debris of the building.

The sanctuary was destroyed by fire, probably as the result of an earthquake, at the end of MM II, possibly in the same earthquake which destroyed the Old Palaces at Knossos and Phaistos at this time. The collapsing roof and masonry of the upper walls killed three of the four individuals found within the structure, but the eighteen-year-old was probably already dead..


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: archaeology; crete; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; humansacrifice; love; minoa; minoan; minoans; nonviolence; peace
Sunken Civ suggested that this might be an interesting topic.

I agree, in that I think that people have a misconseption of the peaceful, loving, artsy, people (sarcasm) who inhabited Minoan Crete in the Bronze age.

Because of the artistic talants of the Minoans the lefty flower children of our Universities have impressed their idealistic beliefs on their interpitations of the Minoan culture.

1 posted on 07/30/2005 7:03:20 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv

http://www.fhw.gr/chronos/02/crete/images/thriskia/anemospila.gif

Temple reconstruction.


2 posted on 07/30/2005 7:05:01 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill

http://www.uk.digiserve.com/mentor/minoan/anemospilia.htm

Temple to day, thanx to sunken civ


3 posted on 07/30/2005 7:07:05 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill

Hmmm, if these weren't highly educated scientists, I would have read that scene, as boy rapes and kills girl, gets killed by girl's father, who burns down the place in his dispair. All of this happening in the mens room (urinal at base of piller).

But that's why they don't invite me on these digs.


4 posted on 07/30/2005 7:17:57 PM PDT by konaice
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5 posted on 07/30/2005 7:24:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: konaice

"Wow, and what do you call your act?"

"The Aristocrats!"


6 posted on 07/30/2005 7:25:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: Little Bill
Hey, this is a rewrite of an old National Geographic article. Don't make me prove it by having to go into the bathroom to find it. Let nature be the motivator. It is an awesome article.
7 posted on 07/30/2005 7:46:15 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: Little Bill

Of possible interest to this thread:

"Although long thought to be a peaceful people, recent evidence uncovered at a temple structure near one of the palaces shows that the Minoans engaged in human sacrifice."

From
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/History/Minoans.html

When I was there a few years back (absolutely beautiful place to visit), it was commonly acknowledged that Minoans practiced human sacrifice and although not "warlike" - whatever that means - were ready willing and able to defend their mercantile interests through their ships and the Minoan Civiliation is often called a "thalossocracy" that is, a "sea power" - though most of the ships seemed to have been used defensively (against pirates and the like) and not offensive in nature.


8 posted on 07/30/2005 7:56:50 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121; Little Bill; crazyhorse691

:') The Thallasocracy is a modern myth that originated in Britain, where Arthur Evans' work on Knossos and the Minoans is still close to gospel. Naturally it also plays well in Greece.

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9 posted on 07/30/2005 8:01:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Actually thalassocracy "plays" well because the Minoans were expert seafarers bringing in taxes from the islands and defending their mercantile interests.

As for Evans - rather than my writing it - this should dispel that "myth":

http://www.hellenicbookservice.com/Kriti/cretan_history.htm


10 posted on 07/30/2005 8:10:59 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

The Minoans had widespread trade; empires are built by the point of the sword and spear, and the Minoan dominion (however large it was) wasn't the quaint Victorian vision of Evans. For the most part, the Minoans' trade routes -- as well as Crete itself -- were taken over by the Mycenaeans.


11 posted on 07/30/2005 8:24:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: eleni121
I got interested in Minoa after seeing seeing some of the art. The common conception, at the time, was that people who were as artisticly sensitive as the Minoans were a peaceful and unwarlike nation given to love and pastulli oil.

It got worse. Marja Gumbas started her Mother Goddess BS about that time and I felt that we Indo European thugs and oppressors of womyn were being given a bad rap, so I started looking closer.

It is my opinion that the civilization of the Minoans was probably similar to that of Pylos in the way it operated. To me there seems to be many similarity's based on the archeology.

12 posted on 07/30/2005 8:36:27 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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13 posted on 07/30/2005 8:45:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: crazyhorse691

I remember reading about this in National Geographic, too. I think in the late '70's.


14 posted on 07/30/2005 9:26:27 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter

I found it. Feb. 1981 issue of National Geographic. Starts on page 204. My copy is pretty worn(and covered with baby powder) so I can't lend it out:)


15 posted on 07/31/2005 12:30:04 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: crazyhorse691
Feb. 1981 issue of National Geographic. Starts on page 204.

You know, if they'd put that stuff on the web, we'd all have a lot more space in our attics.

16 posted on 07/31/2005 2:26:25 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Graymatter

You know, if they'd put that stuff on the web, we'd all have a lot more space in our attics.



And this thread proves that I can't ever get rid of any issue until they are on the web. Think I will write my congresscritter:)


17 posted on 07/31/2005 2:42:18 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: crazyhorse691

National Geographic does maintain an online archive back to Jan.1996.http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/archives.html?fs=www7.nationalgeographic.com


18 posted on 07/31/2005 2:51:47 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 ( Heaven on Earth is where the nearest Starbucks is 60 miles away.)
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To: Little Bill
If you want to understand the biases that shape the mainstream interpretation of the Minoans as peaceful, if not matriarchal, see Lawrence Keeley's War Before Civilization and Cynthia Eller's The Myth of Matriarchal Prehistory. Leftists are desperate to find some evidence of a socialist matriarchal utopia in human prehistory. One of these days, they may get a clue that "utopia" means "nowhere" for a reason.
19 posted on 07/31/2005 4:19:55 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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20 posted on 08/06/2005 8:31:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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thanks to Question_Assumptions for these suggestions:

War Before Civilization The Myth of Matriarchal Prehistory: Why an Invented Past Will Not Give Women a Future
War Before Civilization
by Lawrence H. Keeley
The Myth of Matriarchal Prehistory:
Why an Invented Past
Will Not Give Women a Future

by Cynthia Eller
paperback


21 posted on 08/15/2005 9:04:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Little Bill
Because of the artistic talants of the Minoans the lefty flower children of our Universities have impressed their idealistic beliefs on their interpitations of the Minoan culture.

That seems to be a common mistake with any artistic culture.

Just being an artistic culture does not make you necessarily a pleasant culture.

In fact to be blunt about it the one with the best art also seem to be the most bloodthirsty.

22 posted on 08/16/2005 3:03:32 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: Question_Assumptions

Read one, will read the other. Robert Shaefer wrote an article on Matriarchy, as dreamed up by Marija Gumbas, damned if I can give a link to it, it was published in the Skeptical Inquirer.


23 posted on 08/17/2005 6:26:40 AM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill

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