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Muslims can lie for Allah

Posted on 07/31/2005 5:27:52 AM PDT by police

The principle of Al-Takeyya The Arabic word, "Takeyya", means "to prevent," or guard against. The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28

According to this verse a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and display adherence with their unbelief to prevent them from harming him.

Under the concept of Takeyya and short of killing another human being, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable:

Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan. Renounce belief in Allah. Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah. Utter insincere oaths.


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To: antivenom
It is not a religion

Do you have a definition for "religion" that includes Judaism and Christianity yet excludes Islam.

21 posted on 07/31/2005 6:01:37 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: TADSLOS
that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening.

Sounds to me what we do in America do, or supported during the days of Nazi Germany in hiding the whereabouts of Jews such as Anne Frank.

22 posted on 07/31/2005 6:01:59 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: antivenom
After reading this I will understand their lies and propaganda a bit better.

Thank you.

Btw, here are some article that contains numerous links that shed light on CAIR and it's background (support for terrorism):

CAIR Founded by "Islamic Terrorists?"

CAIR's Campaign of Lies

CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror

23 posted on 07/31/2005 6:05:30 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: All

This is why all the "appologies" and condemnations from various PR groups like CAIR are 100% meaningless.


24 posted on 07/31/2005 6:06:41 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: USF
Thanks, I heard a "rep" for CAIR on a morning talk show now and then...but the commercial I saw the other day...was new to me...I don't know how long they have been running in Houston. I travel alot and have a tendacy not to watch too much "local tv".

Thanks for the links, they will make interesting reading.

25 posted on 07/31/2005 6:08:43 AM PDT by antivenom (If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!!!)
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To: police
Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism

Free books by Edward Sell about Islam: Download here

26 posted on 07/31/2005 6:11:01 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: MosesKnows; antivenom; Dark Skies; jan in Colorado
antivenom: It is not a religion

MosesKnows: Do you have a definition for "religion" that includes Judaism and Christianity yet excludes Islam.

Perhaps I would start with something that does not incorporate a political system (sharia) and whose founder did not set examples for mass murder and genocide to be used to achieve the ultimate goal of capturing land (Darul Harb vs Darul Islam)...
27 posted on 07/31/2005 6:15:57 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: antivenom

You're welcome. ;o)


28 posted on 07/31/2005 6:17:31 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: sirchtruth
All religions do this "justification" thing. It always comes down to the same sin, Pride...

Anybody can make a very generalized statement as fact but it is only an assumption unless you can cite examples. In your case you will need to cite examples from all religions to make it a statement of fact.
29 posted on 07/31/2005 6:17:42 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: antivenom

Actually it should be wiped from Earth
Nothing short of that will be sufficient


30 posted on 07/31/2005 6:17:48 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: USF; Interesting Times; Diva One
Ping!
31 posted on 07/31/2005 6:19:46 AM PDT by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: police

Who would expect Mohammad to condemn liars? as doing so would surely condemn himself.


32 posted on 07/31/2005 6:21:45 AM PDT by azhenfud (This tag line is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please stand by.)
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To: Leapfrog

ping


33 posted on 07/31/2005 6:24:35 AM PDT by Modok
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To: Modok

Yup. I'm squarely with antivenom on this one.


34 posted on 07/31/2005 6:26:23 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: police

bump to the library.


35 posted on 07/31/2005 6:27:03 AM PDT by Les_Miserables
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To: police

No only can lie...it's their sacred duty to do so to further
the conquest..

imo


36 posted on 07/31/2005 6:28:33 AM PDT by joesnuffy (The state always has solutions to the problems it creates...more freedom will never be a solution)
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To: police

How to understand CAIR's function in the Islamic attempt to conquer America and the western world..


37 posted on 07/31/2005 6:39:21 AM PDT by joesnuffy (The state always has solutions to the problems it creates...more freedom will never be a solution)
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To: Man50D
In your case you will need to cite examples from all religions to make it a statement of fact.

600+ laws ontop of God's. Who blows up abortion clinics?

By the definition of RELIGION itself it's fact...Man trying to justify himself to God.

Don't even think you're going to make a case for any religion that doesn't try to justify what it does, and the extremist are in ALL religions!

Just note that "justification" does not have to equal fanaticism.

38 posted on 07/31/2005 6:52:07 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: USF
Perhaps I would start with something

You could, but then you would be wrong.

39 posted on 07/31/2005 7:06:25 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: police

ping


40 posted on 07/31/2005 7:27:44 AM PDT by trailboss800
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