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Boeing's F-15 tries to stay aloft
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | July 30, 2005 | Tim McLaughlin

Posted on 07/31/2005 9:26:36 AM PDT by Righty_McRight

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To: Pukin Dog

mmmmmmmmm still here, they keep showing and talking about "it"; I don't pretend to know anything about development/procurement/production. If no JSF as you said last year then what do the Navy and Marines do. Not another 18 upgrade I'm sure.


51 posted on 07/31/2005 9:34:19 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: bill1952

That is what he is talking about, post 4.


52 posted on 07/31/2005 9:36:15 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: pad 34

I lived at RAF Lakenheath a few years ago; OK, quite a few years ago.


53 posted on 07/31/2005 9:36:16 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Pukin Dog

Ahhh, points to discuss. I can see why you would say it ain't gonna make it operational. As a civilian I keep seeing this neat plane every now and then and ??what?? Techwise I think they can do the engine/vectoring thing; need mogas or nogas.


54 posted on 07/31/2005 9:48:19 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: 185JHP

Did that a long time ago!


55 posted on 07/31/2005 9:53:48 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: Shazbot29

F104, nothing close.


56 posted on 07/31/2005 9:58:20 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: Shazbot29

F104, nothing even comes close!
A repost!


57 posted on 07/31/2005 10:02:03 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: Atchafalaya
F-4's.. out of the Inventory in 1996 after almost 35+ years of service.

F-16. The mainstay in fighter/bomber role in the USAF. But the design is just about 30 years old.

F-15's, are still in active service.. but the design is almost 30+ years old also. A Models are in Guard Service, C models are in the front line wings. E models are great ground attack planes.

F-22.. Its starting to make inroads in active service at the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley. There is BIG talk about it in Air Combat Command now.

F-35. it will come into active service.. Eventually...
59 posted on 07/31/2005 10:34:16 PM PDT by Kitanis
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To: Mike-o-Matic; spectr17; Shazbot29

The F-15 is my favorite fighter of all time. Spent many nights in Germany in the late 1970's admiring their lines as I drove the flight line guarding them.
Was able to see many night-time full-afterburner take-offs...what a beautiful sight!


60 posted on 07/31/2005 10:54:33 PM PDT by Mustng959 (Honoring those that gave their all in support of our freedoms)
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To: Mustng959

Ah yes...

I served at Bitburg AB from 1991-1993 just before they announced it to close down.

F-15's on Zulu alert were a awsome thing to behold.

but the 36th Fighter Wing was deactivated and now operates as the 36th Air Expeditionary Wing at Anderson AB, Guam


61 posted on 08/01/2005 5:18:13 PM PDT by Kitanis
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To: Aeronaut

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62 posted on 08/01/2005 6:55:39 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
Unfortunately, we are putting all of our faith in the F-18G.
I would love to have another 96 F-15E's in the US inventory and perhaps an equal number in the Japanese inventory.
63 posted on 08/01/2005 7:38:25 PM PDT by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)
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To: rmlew

Are these F-18-G's all in the Navy/Marine inventory, or are they also to be used by the USAF?


64 posted on 08/01/2005 7:42:41 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Bumper sticker "Martyrs or Marines: Who do YOU think will get the virgins?")
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To: al baby
That would be fine. Arm ourselves against communist Euro-weanies..... I been thinking we need to take over Europe and give it to the Israelis.
65 posted on 08/01/2005 7:42:42 PM PDT by Porterville (Don't make me go Bushi on your a$$)
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To: Shazbot29; sukhoi-30mki
Define "Rival".
The Russian SU-27 varients (SU-30, SU-34, SU-35)are damn good jets. Put in a American or European systems into an SU-35, and you have a more manueverable jet than the F-15, with greater payload, at 2/3 the cost.
The Eurofighter Typhoon is a better air to air fighter than the F-15.
The Eagle is long in the tooth.
66 posted on 08/01/2005 7:45:27 PM PDT by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mr. Jazzy
The air force currently divides electronic warfare and "Wild Weasel" into different platforms. We use the EC-130 and the EA-6B for dazzling enemy radar. We use F-16C/D to actually destroy enemy SAM installations.
I believe that the EF-18G will replace the EA-6.
67 posted on 08/01/2005 7:50:51 PM PDT by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)
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To: rmlew

"Prowlers" in the USAF?


What is this world coming to?


68 posted on 08/01/2005 7:54:30 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Bumper sticker "Martyrs or Marines: Who do YOU think will get the virgins?")
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To: Mr. Jazzy

The airfoce has been using them since the EF-111 Raven was retired. (Damn shame, about the EF-111, but it was becoming expensive to operate.)


69 posted on 08/01/2005 7:56:53 PM PDT by rmlew (http://nycright.blogspot.com/)
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To: Kitanis
Yep, Bitburg, great base in its day. Pulled Zulu entry control quite a few times. We'd get together after a mid shift at the NCO club, eat steak and eggs, and watch Green Berets, The Wild Geese, Apocolypse Now, and other gung-ho movies on their big screen. Atari was just coming out with their home gaming system (2600, I think), so we'd all test our joystick skills against each other. Usually on 24 hour break after a swing and before a mid, we'd go to the gym and play racquetball until morning.
Those were some great times for a scrapping young man overseas with no personal transportation. Friendships were easily made with peers and the thought of getting older never entered one's mind. Live for the day and let tomorrow take care of itself was the rule of thumb.
70 posted on 08/01/2005 9:19:44 PM PDT by Mustng959 (Honoring those that gave their all in support of our freedoms)
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To: rmlew

If my info is correct, an F-15 has never been shot down in battle.

But, yes, sadly it's day is over.


71 posted on 08/02/2005 3:51:19 AM PDT by Shazbot29 (Light a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day; light him on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: Righty_McRight

Boeing has mismanaged every asset and program they got when they bought McD-D, except when someone from McD-D (like Stonecipher, who moved the company to a city with NO GOOD AIRPORT, before he got caught banging -- and promoting -- some marketing bimbo) was mismanaging it.

By the way, before Stonecipher got caught with his pants down, literally, he made every single employee sign an ethics pledge. What a phony.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


72 posted on 08/02/2005 11:15:53 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (The electric chair is good, but hanging saves energy)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Does this include the C17?

Red6


73 posted on 08/26/2005 10:49:52 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6
Does this include the C17?

Ya got me. The C-17 was a Douglas program originally, and Boeing just badly cost-overran it, they didn't actually destroy it, unlike the civil jet program or the helicopter subsidiary.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

74 posted on 08/27/2005 5:52:34 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Red6
Does this include the C17?

Ya got me. The C-17 was a Douglas program originally, and Boeing just badly cost-overran it, they didn't actually destroy it, unlike the civil jet program or the helicopter subsidiary.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

75 posted on 08/27/2005 5:56:18 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Righty_McRight

Of course we need more of them....what kind of question is that? More F16s too.

The Nat Guard ones on Ready status have all sorts of problems.


76 posted on 08/27/2005 5:59:10 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Actually the F18 is also Boeing isn't it?

Strange how this inept Boeing seems to punch out a fighter UNDER cost UNDER time line isn't it? Is that very common?

BTW, the C17 is UNDER cost today. Or am I wrong? :)

Red6


77 posted on 08/28/2005 1:04:40 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Criminal Number 18F

(opinion)

Boeing bought up a lot of various firms some time ago. They DID suffer from internal organizational issues because of the turmoil created by this. The inefficiency was noticeable.

In the defense sector however Boeing has done very well, despite some of the scandals with tanker purchases etc. “THE BOTTOM LINE” is what matters and Boeing delivers.

If you want to see a joke, look at Europe and the EF. Ten years too late, they are now fielding a half baked marginal fighter at over cost. Hardly comparable to the F18 which was ahead of schedule and under cost and is in fact very similar to a EF (Or should I say the EF similar to the F18) in capabilities and design. Both are late fourth generation platforms with similar specs even. In fact the EF even uses a spin off from the APG65 which they renamed.

BTW, Boeing is already making a “come back” in the civil market in Asia and the Middle East. On top of that, though old news, 9-11 did have a profound impact on our economy more so that say Germany or GB. Despite subsidies, protectionist practices of much of Europe, Boeing will push itself through out of the shear fact that it’s a private competitively based firm that is bottom line focused. Outside of Europe and the Airbus zone (Those nations that subsidies and fund Airbus will buy Airbus for their state run airlines, it’s not even a question) Boeing will do good. Inside the Airbus zone Boeing will get the crumbs from small carriers like Ryan air that are private. I stated this before elsewhere; in Europe you have pseudo-market economies. Lufthansa, the state owned airline will buy Airbus the state subsidized airplane and will park it in hangers at Frankfurt, the state owned airport which is now building hangers that are partially indirectly funded with tax revenue. Do you really think that the loss of much of the sales in Europe is out of shear competitive reasons? Hardly. Lufthansa, Air France and others will buy the A380 no matter what! The loss of market share in Europe is a result of Europe closing off its market, not just competition.

Red6


78 posted on 08/28/2005 11:01:40 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Pukin Dog

Well,

They are already BUILDING (Production/no test or prototype) major components for the JSF. At Ft Worth TX everything is already rolling into place for large scale production. Stop embarrassing yourself at this point. We all remember you retarded posts in the past!

Red6


79 posted on 10/28/2005 7:21:15 AM PDT by Red6
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