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Muslim group in Britain decries 'hate'
The Washington Times ^ | July 31, 2005 | Al Webb

Posted on 07/31/2005 10:58:07 AM PDT by river rat

LONDON -- Leaders of a key Muslim organization in Britain, angered by the deadly terror attacks in London, yesterday told tens of thousands of followers that "enough is enough" and urged all Muslims to turn away from "harbingers of hate." "The word 'Islam' means peace," said Rafiq Hayat, national president of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association U.K., "but we have to live by it in order to grow." Mr. Hayat's call for Muslims to quit listening to fanatics who stir terrorists to action came in the wake of a new opinion survey showing that one in four Muslims in Britain sympathizes with the motives of the suicide bombers who killed 52 commuters in the British capital on July 7.

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Hmmmm.... The old "Religion of Peace" Ploy..

The dictionary I checked -- uses the word "submission" far more often than the word PEACE..

There isn't much "Peace" near fundamental Muslims for the non-Muslim...

To the Islamanazi -- Peace can only come, AFTER submission to the lunatic Jihadists..

Islam seems to have attracted more than their share of lying, murderous, misogynist, homosexual, child and woman murdering bastards -- than they're willing to deal with....

Semper Fi

1 posted on 07/31/2005 10:58:07 AM PDT by river rat
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To: river rat; All


I ain't buyin' it.

Islam offers only three options to "the infidel".

1. Conversion

2. Slavery

3. Death

Islam is a cult of HATRED and DEATH.

It is INTRINSICALLY hateful.

It is a SCOURGE on the Earth.

The sooner Islam is outlawed, abolished and abandoned by the civilized world, the better-off we will all be.


2 posted on 07/31/2005 11:03:19 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: river rat
"The word 'Islam' means peace"

And here I was thinking it meant "let's be friends"...

3 posted on 07/31/2005 11:03:30 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: river rat

I would view this as a long-awaited step in the right direction.


4 posted on 07/31/2005 11:03:46 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: river rat

5 posted on 07/31/2005 11:04:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: river rat
...told tens of thousands of followers that "enough is enough"...

So who is going to tell the other couple of million Muslims in Britain? Talk is cheap. What are they going to do?

6 posted on 07/31/2005 11:05:38 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: river rat
At least this is a far better response than Mooselimbs in the US had said.

Mooselimbs leaders in this country deafening silent

Of course, hindsight is always 20/20. didn't hear much of an outcry before mooselimbs were rounded up in Britain.

7 posted on 07/31/2005 11:07:45 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Popman
Correction:

Mooselimbs leaders in this country were deafening silent

8 posted on 07/31/2005 11:08:59 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Westbrook
>"The sooner Islam is outlawed, abolished and abandoned by the civilized world, the better-off we will all be. "

AMEN!!!

Kill A Commie For Mommie
Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

9 posted on 07/31/2005 11:09:19 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black send it back." Homer's guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: Dark Skies
"The word 'Islam' means peace"

Technically, and actually, 'Islam' is Arabic for submission.

Is'laam means 'I submit' in Arabic.

10 posted on 07/31/2005 11:09:28 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: river rat

Bears repeating, "islam is a terrorist organization."


11 posted on 07/31/2005 11:12:19 AM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (Feel the love and PEACE? Feel it? islam IS the problem islam is HATE and MURDER)
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To: river rat

How does TROP explain away all the verses in their Koran exhorting Muslims to kill(behead) the "infidel" or enslave them? Is their "Holy Book" divided into sections(ie Old/New Testaments),and does it have a section where Mohammed says that he came to fulfill the Law,not destroy it? Was Mohammed(the child molester) the sacrifice who did away with the need to stone adultresses and sacrifice animals,or whatever it is that Muslims do according to the laws of their "sacred" text? I can't think of any rational Christians who don't understand that Jesus fulfilled the law by dying on the cross,so that we're not required to stone children who dishonor their parents(though kicking them out is allowed,hehe),and nowhere does the Founder of Christianity exhort His followers to "kill the infidel".


12 posted on 07/31/2005 11:13:11 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: river rat
The YouGov's newspaper poll showed (more than 500 Muslims responding)...

24% said they sympathize with the suicide bombers,

6% said the attacks were justified.

32% agreed that Muslims should seek to bring Western society to an end.

13 posted on 07/31/2005 11:14:07 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: river rat
I-SLAM-U!

Too late, muslims.

The invasion by muslims of Western nations reminds me of the movie, Mars Attacks.

"We come in peace. We come in peace." Infidels depart in pieces.

14 posted on 07/31/2005 11:18:58 AM PDT by ElCapusto (For ENGLISH, press one.)
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To: Dark Skies
You would probably get the same results if you polled 500 democrats in this country.

24% sympathize with the suicide bombers

6% said the attacks were justified

32% agreed that American society should be brought to an end.
15 posted on 07/31/2005 11:19:58 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

And 100% of muslims are for the establishment of a world Caliphate.


16 posted on 07/31/2005 11:24:22 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dog Gone
What "step in the right direction"??

You have to carefully read and parse everything these deceptive, lying bastards say..

In the article --- this "leader" said:
"..."we wish to practice Islam as exemplified by our founder, Prophet Muhammad."

Now -- what in the hell was encouraging about that freaking prospect????

Semper Fi
17 posted on 07/31/2005 11:25:55 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

Just more back-pedaling for temporary advantage.


18 posted on 07/31/2005 11:26:17 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Westbrook

I wonder how much more death and destruction, at the hands of Fundamental Muslims must take place -- before ISLAM is declared a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION?

Semper Fi


19 posted on 07/31/2005 11:27:37 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
Well, river rat, we have two options. The first, which is not realistic and is wrong on several other counts, is to kill all the muslims. The second is to somehow encourage a reformation within islam to renounce violence.

That option would begin with something that looks like this announcement.

Sure, it may be a lie or insincere. But this is how it would start if it was to start at all.

20 posted on 07/31/2005 11:30:25 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: river rat; All

please take a few minutes to post some keywords...it relaxes one, somewhat...


21 posted on 07/31/2005 11:32:37 AM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: river rat

:Leaders of a key Muslim organization in Britain told followers that "enough is enough" and urged all Muslims to turn away from harbingers of hate."
More likely coded terror instructions to islamists than a call to civility. Send these leaders to cuba.

22 posted on 07/31/2005 11:34:44 AM PDT by I see my hands (Until this civil war heats up.. have a nice day.)
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To: river rat
The word Islam means submission, not peace. And the word Muslim means lying murderer.

If it lies through its teeth, celebrates blowing up school buses and shreds your children with schrapnel, its a Muslim.

Sheer-Co-Inky-Dink that it is 100 percent Odds right?

If it worships death, dances in the streets for mass murder, and cuts it's own daughers throat for "honor", call it a Muslim, because frankly, Nobody else on earth acts like that.

NOBODY.

23 posted on 07/31/2005 11:37:15 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: river rat
Don't bother me till they've turned in a nut case to LE.
24 posted on 07/31/2005 11:40:03 AM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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To: mrsmel
Good point... You can't be a Mussie and not condone terrorism.
There so called "Peace" (meaning "don't hurt us you fools") replay is a bit late don't you think?
25 posted on 07/31/2005 11:45:55 AM PDT by timdel33
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To: river rat

Where are the usual muzzie-defenders wailing that it's unfair to lump them all in the same category and "cherry pick" Koranic verses that demonstrate the validity of the charge that islam is indeed a cult of death.


26 posted on 07/31/2005 12:01:08 PM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: river rat

Ignoring that to a muslim, Islam really means submission to Allah's Will, I like this guys message.

It's a whole lot less Clintonian than CAIRs recent similar PR stuff.

Islam doesn't have a central authority, so it's Iman vs. Iman. This group claims 200 million, it's opponents say 10 million. Any encouragement for one group to fight against the Wahabbis is a good development.


27 posted on 07/31/2005 12:41:57 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Dark Skies

"The word 'Islam' means peace,"

It really means to submit to the will of Allah.

In it you will find Peace.


28 posted on 07/31/2005 1:29:36 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
In it you will find Peace.

Actually, I imagine you are correct. However, Islam doesn't mean "peace" for the non-muslim neighbors of those who have submitted to Allah.

29 posted on 07/31/2005 1:41:21 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dog Gone
Those aren't the only two options...

One need not kill all Muslims, as you suggest -- one need simply kill more of the loud mouthed, rabble rousing,Jihadist and Jihadist support bastards.

One could deport all non-citizens that are "preaching" or "teaching" violent actions in their guest nations.

One could deport naturalized citizens back to their Turd World origin -- if ANY falsehood or illegal action against their host nation can be shown...

One can continue to use Afghanistan, Iraq and possibly Syria as "shit magnets" -- since they have been shown to be exceedingly successful in drawing the Jihadist wannabes to their destruction... Another PLUS in using the "shit magnets" -- is that most "Jihadists" are too cowardly to directly attack armed forces - and instead kill the local innocent civilians which help define the lunatic bastards as TERRORISTS with NO MORALS.

One can SHUT DOWN the borders and visas to folks from the "Axis of Islam and Evil" from entering the U.S. unless specifically invited by the U.S. Government...


Etc, etc, etc,.....

There are LOTS of things we can do - to express OUR dissatisfaction with the CONSTANT excuses and complaints from the Muslim population that they're TARGETED and Discriminated against...

Well -- you can bet your ass they SHOULD be targeted and they SHOULD be discriminated against, until they give substantive justification to trust them...

Semper Fi
30 posted on 07/31/2005 1:57:06 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: D-fendr
"I like this guys message."

Talk is cheap..
Talk can be deception -- unless backed with substantive ACTION..

Action can be in the form of one of Islam's dreaded "Fatwas"..
Why haven't any MAJOR Muslim clerics issued a Fatwa against a SINGLE WELL KNOWN TERRORIST???????

I've seen the freaking "Dog and Pony" show of "condemning terrorism" -- but I've yet to hear a major Muslim Cleric condemn by NAME a SPECFICE TERRORIST -- and call for his DEATH.....

NOT ONE..... NOT EVER.....

This cleric is simply joining the choir of Muslim bullshitters --- and is NOT to be taken seriously, until he or someone else DOES SOMETHING TANGIBLE to prove their position..

Until then -- they are ALL SUSPECT, and NOT to be trusted.

Semper Fi

31 posted on 07/31/2005 2:06:14 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: dila813
It really means to submit to the will of Allah. In it you will find Peace.

I'll bet you believe in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause too..

The Will of GOD, will not be learned though the teaching, practices or hate spewing Koran that the murderous pedophile Mohammad delivered..

Semper Fi

32 posted on 07/31/2005 2:10:05 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
With all due respect, deporting muslims won't do it. Islam itself has to be reformed or eliminated. I don't think elimination is an option.

Give me 5000 dollars and I can sneak into any country in the world. So can they.

Unless and until we get islam itself to quit producing these hate-filled maniacs, we'll be fighting this war. The first step is for Islamic leaders to begin denouncing this crap. We're hearing the first sounds of that, and I hope it continues.

33 posted on 07/31/2005 2:11:25 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I didn't suggest deporting all Muslims...
I suggested deporting SPECIFIC Muslims - non-citizens or naturalized citizens that falsified their applications or behaved inappropriately in their host country...

We can't reform Islam -- and the Muslims WON'T do it until they've been forced to face or pay a horrible price for failure to do so....

The cleric quoted in the posted article - is NOT the first to "speak out" against terrorism.... MANY clerics and Muslims "speak" out -- but that's as far as it goes -- and it does NOT reflect their will.....

I'm NOT interested in Muslims continuing to "Speak Out" against the terrorist bastards in their midst --- I expect them to ACT OUT or suffer the consequences -- and at this point, I don't consider any consequence at too horrible to contemplate...

I'm a damned sight more interested in the survival of MY grandchildren that those of these lying murderous sonsuvbithes..whose "religion" declared war on everything I hold dear.

Semper Fi
34 posted on 07/31/2005 2:23:38 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

Maybe if they truly follow in the footsteps of their founder,they could be arrested on grounds of sexual child abuse,since our leaders are too squeamish to deal with them on the basis of their terrorism. Then again,considering NAMBLA,maybe not.


35 posted on 07/31/2005 2:52:15 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: river rat
I'm a damned sight more interested in the survival of MY grandchildren that those of these lying murderous sonsuvbithes..whose "religion" declared war on everything I hold dear

Damn skippy!
36 posted on 07/31/2005 2:54:03 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: All

The last time we faced a fanatical religious enemy was Imperial Shinto Japan.

Their religion taught world conquest and subjugation.

They invented kamikazi.

They were the first to fly manned airplanes into targets as an act of sacrificial martyrdom to bring the martyr directly to the bosoms of his ancestors.

You know what it took to make the the Shinto Japanese "reform" their religion.

We will be remembering it soon on August 6 and again on August 9.

And the Japanese were INFINITELY more civilized than the foaming rabid rabble of Islam.


37 posted on 07/31/2005 3:42:04 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: timdel33

Yes, to be a devout Muslim,you must convert,kill, or enslave the "infidel". Nowhere does true Biblical Christianity call for this. And Christianity's founder, Jesus,wasn't a child molester.


38 posted on 07/31/2005 3:47:05 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Westbrook

Yes, even if the Japanese didn't want to fully enter into the Twentieth century culturally,they were willing to cherry-pick those aspects of that would benefit them. Muslims want to drag the world down to their poverty-stricken technology-allergic level-ie the difference between what Israel has done with their piece of the Middle East and what the Muslim world has done with theirs.


39 posted on 07/31/2005 3:51:56 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Westbrook

ping... Golly... good thing Tancredo did say that...


40 posted on 07/31/2005 4:00:09 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Dog Gone

From Boortz:

MUSLIMS CONDEMN TERROR...OR DO THEY?

Good news yesterday. Muslims finally publicly condemned terrorism. Islamic scholars in the U.S. and Canada issued a "fatwa" (an Islamic ruling, for you government school types) stating that targeting innocent people is forbidden and that those who commit such acts of violence are criminals, rather than martyrs. American Muslim leaders say they're frustrated that many equate the Islamic faith with terrorism.

So this seems to be a bit of good news. But wait! If you actually start to look at the messenger, you begin to realize that all is not as it seems. As a number of bloggers noticed, the press conference announcing the Fatwa was organized by CAIR, The Council on American Islamic Relations. The group making the announcement was something called the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA.) Here's just a sampling of some of the people affiliated with these groups, and their ties to terrorism:

--Taha Jaber Al-Alwani, Chairman of the FCNA, named in court papers as being associated with Islamic Jihad, the Palestinian terror group.

--Sheikh Muhammad al-Hanooti (such long names aren't they?,) who serves on the Fiqh council, has in the past called for jihad against the United States and Great Britain. Among his greatest hits: "Allah, the curse of Allah will become true on the infidel Jews and on the tyrannical Americans."

As for CAIR --- this crowd has repeatedly covered for the Islamic terror groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad. They have called the War On Terror a "War Against Islam."

So just in case anybody is getting all warm in fuzzy inside about American Muslim groups finally condemning terrorism, you'll have to consider the source on this one. Good sign? Yes ... let's see if the follow-through is there, or if this is just a PR response to increasing anger toward the wonderful, peaceful religion of Islam. When they turn in a few Al Qaeda cells operating in the United States perhaps I'll start to believe them.

Semper Fi


41 posted on 07/31/2005 11:23:57 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

This is a nice gesture, but it's essentially worthless. Ahmaddiya Muslims aren't going to get involved in terrorism anyway - the fundies hate them like Ian Paisley hates Catholics. The only thing Al-Qaeda and the like have to offer the Ahmaddiya community is execution for apostasy.


42 posted on 08/01/2005 11:29:58 AM PDT by English Nationalist
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