Russian diplomats' children severely beaten in Poland

RIA Novosti ^ | 01/ 08/ 2005 | unknown

[twinself]

WARSAW, August 1 (RIA Novosti, Leonid Sviridov) - A group of Polish nationals beat the children of Russian diplomats here Sunday night.

Three Russian teenagers and a Kazakh schoolboy were returning from a movie when the assailants attacked them in a park. According to witnesses, the attackers included about 15 people, aged 19-25. They shouted anti-Russian slogans and obscenities.

According to witnesses, the assaulters seemed to be an organized group of skinheads in jogging suits. The victims retreated to a bus stop, where the beatings continued. The group stole mobile phones, money and tore chains from the teenagers' necks.

During medical examinations, doctors found numerous bruises, and scratches on the victims. The teenagers had some of their teeth knocked out, one boy had a broken nose and doctors suspect that one had a concussion. There were no internal injuries and the victims declined a hospital stay.

The Russian Embassy in Poland is preparing to send a letter of protest to the Polish Foreign Ministry Monday, said Vladimir Sedykh, Russia's charge d'affaires in Poland.

"Diplomats' reaction will be tough," he said.

[FairOpinion]

What a shame.
Beating up innocent children.

It seems like a lot of people just can't understand the difference between the communist old Soviet Union and today's Russia, who is NOT occupying Eastern Europe any longer.

[konaice]

skinheads in jogging suits.

Gawd, the mind recoils at that image.....

[endthematrix]

Punks are anti-Russian, anti-US and anti-Isreal

[twinself]

Personally I don't believe the Russian "official" version. To me it it sounds like another Putin's provocation/manipulation. Poles whom I know DO NOT hate common Russians (as opposed to its ruler).

[konaice]

Russia, who is NOT occupying Eastern Europe any longer.

Nope, now just occupying a few of the "'stans". I spoze its a step in the right direction.

[FairOpinion]

There are always some bad people everywhere.

[endthematrix]

Polish police arrested 28 demonstrators on January 26, at a rally to protest the planned presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin at a memorial service at the Auschwitz concentration camp on January 27.....Many of the protesters also carried signs condemning the presence at the service of US Vice-President Dick Cheney, and some also opposed the invitation to Israeli President Moshe Katsav.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/613/613p20i.htm

Plenty of info on Poland's Anti war and anti imperialist punks, here:
http://www.ck-la.tk/la.php/articles/fmup3ea71d6f641cc

[twinself]

Yeah, I know commie scum pushing their leftist agenda can be found in Poland, too.

[kedr]

Those young nationalistic "skinheads in jogging suits" search for the external enemy whom the Polish government obligingly palms off on behalf of Russia. Innocent children as a result suffer.

[twinself]

Exactly the same could be said about Putin's policy towards Poland (nasty gestures as payback for Ukraine's loss). But innocent children suffer indeed. Which I always strongly disapprove with and condemn (provided this NOT Kremlin planned provo).

[Joe Boucher]

It also seems that like Korea and China when it comes to Japan the Poles still haven't forgotten.I venture to say that if given the opportunity places like Lithuania, Latvia, Check, Spain Sweeden as well as others that were seriously crapped on by russia and or germany would find a rather rude reception for russians.

[twinself]

As Americans will NEVER FORGET their 9/11. But it has nothing to do with our attitude to present Russians and Germans. There are excellent people among them and history won't influence our relations.

[aardvark1]

an organized group of skinheads in jogging suits

At least we now know why airport screeners pick on 80 year old ladies. They could be part of this group.

[endthematrix]

I can this as well.

[Joe Boucher]

I understand that the russian people are in most instances wondeful. I too understand that their leadership is a bit overbearing,(just ask poland or a few other states).
After all the crap they have put up with over time why do they continue to put up with hard asses like putin who will obviously limit their freedoms and democracy?

[kedr]

..same could be said about Putin's policy towards Poland (nasty gestures as payback for Ukraine's loss) Facts? What "nasty gestures"? Can you explain the fact: Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia hate Russia, but Czechia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Slovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania don't?

[twinself]

Ask Putin or Gleb Pavlovskij... they should know well.

[kedr]

After all the crap they have put up with over time why do they continue to put up with hard asses like putin who will obviously limit their freedoms and democracy?

You (with the help of your mass media) think that Putin is the second Stalin. Okay, I tell you, he isn't. He is just a man who tries to establish some order after Eltsin's era.

You better read the book of Paul Khlebnikov "Godfather of the Kremlin: Boris Berezovsky and the looting of Russia" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0151006210/002-6957179-7673623) and you'll understand why most of russians trust Putin.
As for freedom, we have it enough. My presence on FreeRepublic is a proof.

[twinself]

I can understand most of Russians trust Putin. But you shouldn't be surprised that most of the Poles DON'T. Putin doesn't really care about good relations with Poland and the Balts, that's why. The worse our relations are, the better - that's his policy. Look carefully what is going on in Belarus now. And as you well know Lukashenko is Putin's useful idiot.

[kedr]

Ask Putin or Gleb Pavlovskij... they should know well

It's interesting to hear the man who thinks he know the truth.
So why some former communist countries hate Russia and some don't? Isn't it strange?

[twinself]

If you think Czechs, Slovaks or Hungarians love Russia you are wrong. Budapest '56, Prague '68 (with some Polish troops, too). Just go and ask them how much they like you. Request to open Katyn case archive's: REJECTED. Request to condemn Baltic states occupation: REJECTED. Polish involvement in victory over Nazi Germany in WWII: NONE. Kaliningrad anniversary: NEIGHBOURS NOT WELCOME.

That's Putin's vision of Russia's relations with Poland and Balts. So don't be surprised we are not Putin's cheerleaders.

[kedr]

Putin doesn't really care about good relations with Poland and the Balts, that's why. The worse our relations are, the better - that's his policy.
It's not true, because it's senseless. We (russians) have much more troubles than diplomatic fight with Poland and Balts.

Look carefully what is going on in Belarus now. And as you well know Lukashenko is Putin's useful idiot.
You're wrong, Putin don't trust Lukashenko and Lukashenko isn't Putin's marionette.
As for Belarus, what are you waiting for after Ukraine? Welcome from Lukashenko?

[elli1]

Personally I don't believe the Russian "official" version. To me it it sounds like another Putin's provocation/manipulation.

I don't either. No specifics in the article...'children of Russian diplomats', 'group of skinheads in jogging suits', 'returning from a movie when the assailants attacked them in a park', 'a bus stop', 'according to witnesses', 'the victims declined a hospital stay'.

Who is the diplomat? Which theatre? What park? Where is the bus stop? What hospital? Who were some of the witnesses?

There are no quotes from the police & no indication in the article that the police were called. Article does mention that the 'children' had 'mobile phones' but doesn't say whether or not the 'children' used it to phone for help or who they might have called.

Zero clues given that could be used to confirm that the incident really happened. My conclusion: Bogus story.

[twinself]

Dear kedr, Putin sees spreading democracy (Ukraine, Georgia) as a threat for his status quo in Russia. Poland and Lithuania supported orange color and are now punished for this slap.

Each move of Lukashenko is agreed with Putin. No question about it. Putin would not allow fuss in Belarus if he didn't want to. Putin is Lukashenko's only chance for surrvival among neighbours who isolate the nutcase.

[twinself]

OR I would not be surprised if this 'group of skinheads in jogging suits' was one-night import from over the Belarussian border. Who would gain in Polish-Russian quarrel? Lukashenko surely would.

[libs_kma]

Why didn't the Russian kids whip out their diplomatic immunity credentials?

[twinself]

Because that was not in the plan.

[kedr]

Budapest '56, Prague '68 but... they don't hate Russia. I know, many of my friends were there as tourists.

IMHO the answer is: today's governments in Poland and Balts came to power with antirussian slogans so they need to support antirussian policy generating those skinheads.

Request to open Katyn case archive's: REJECTED
1/3 opened.

Request to condemn Baltic states occupation: REJECTED
There were no occupation so it's nothing to condemn

Polish involvement in victory over Nazi Germany in WWII: NONE
Agreed, it's Putin's error that I don't understand.

Kaliningrad anniversary: NEIGHBOURS NOT WELCOME
Right decision after theirs disgraceful behaviour during May, 9

All these reasons are farfetched. Just a cause to support antirussian policy.

[kedr]

Why didn't the Russian kids whip out their diplomatic immunity credentials?
Because that was not in the plan.

Are you paranoic or what? 4 boys were beaten by 15 skinheads and you tell about some "plan" without any proof.

[twinself]

"(...)today's governments in Poland and Balts came to power with antirussian slogans so they need to support antirussian policy generating those skinheads.

You should know better... Not true in case of Poland. We are ruled by ex-commies (government and president), exactly the same breed Putin is. They are soft and humble on Russian issues. All of them are unpatriotic scum and their place is down the toilet. But for you they are antiRussian? LOL Please don't make me laugh... Putin spat in Kwasniewski's face on May the 9th and poor Kvasula said it was just rain.

Right decision after theirs disgraceful behaviour during May, 9

What disgraceful behaviour?

[GarySpFc]

I can understand most of Russians trust Putin. But you shouldn't be surprised that most of the Poles DON'T. Putin doesn't really care about good relations with Poland and the Balts, that's why. The worse our relations are, the better - that's his policy. Look carefully what is going on in Belarus now. And as you well know Lukashenko is Putin's useful idiot.

The strong hatred for Russia many Poles on these boards have for Russia sticks out like an ugly tattoo on their forehead. You say Putin doesn't care for good relations with Poland, but what do you expect after Poles stabbed Russia in the back in the Ukraine? They think you can treat Russia like dirt, and then go on like nothing happened. Poland has nobody to blame except itself. And you are wrong about Lukashenko being Putin's useful idiot. Putin does not care for him.

[Tarkin]

Budapest '56, Prague '68 but... they don't hate Russia.

Well, Russia didn't invade them in 1939 (as it did with Poland) and it didn't occupy them since 1940 (as it did with Baltic states)

IMHO the answer is: today's governments in Poland and Balts came to power with antirussian slogans so they need to support antirussian policy generating those skinheads.

A very interesting theory if you consider the fact that Polish president is an ex-communist and the Polish government is formed by ex-communists from the Alliance of Democratic Left. They can hardly be called "antirussians".

Request to open Katyn case archive's: REJECTED

1/3 opened.

And what about the rest?

Request to condemn Baltic states occupation: REJECTED

There were no occupation so it's nothing to condemn

Yeeeeeah, right....if the Russians say so, than good relations with the Balts are simply impossible

Kaliningrad anniversary: NEIGHBOURS NOT WELCOME

Right decision after theirs disgraceful behaviour during May, 9

What do you mean by "disgraceful behaviour"?

[GarySpFc]

OR I would not be surprised if this 'group of skinheads in jogging suits' was one-night import from over the Belarussian border. Who would gain in Polish-Russian quarrel? Lukashenko surely would.

Are you part of the George Soros anti-Russia cheerleading squad?

[twinself]

Read post No. 25. Putin may not care for Lukashenko (in my opinion he despises him) but it doesn't mean he is not useful for him.

[GarySpFc]

We are ruled by ex-commies (government and president), exactly the same breed Putin is.

Oh nonsense! The communists simply changed their name in Poland, and still rule.

[twinself]

No - I am part of Poland cheerleading squad.

[twinself]

Heh, OK you may be actually right.

[GarySpFc]

I read post 25, and the Poles anti-Russian hatred gets them what they deserve. You need to learn the difference between Russia and the Soviet Union.

[kedr]

Why didn't the Russian kids whip out their diplomatic immunity credentials?
Those polish nationalists exactly wanted to beat russians so I don't think any documents were helpful. The boys may be even showed their credentials...

[twinself]

We will never know. Gleb forgot to add it to that provocations screenplay. Better luck next time though.

[twinself]

Putin needs to prove that difference first.

[libs_kma]

Sorry. I should have added the /sarcasm tag in my first reply

[twinself]

OK guys, hold on. Putin has spoken to bash those nasty Poles:

Putin condemns attack on children of Russian diplomats in Warsaw.

If only Goebbels was still alive. He would be soooo proud of Gleb's job.

[twinself]

So when can we expect Red Army's invasion? OK, I know. As in September '39 - expect the unexpected...

[elli1]

OR I would not be surprised if this 'group of skinheads in jogging suits' was one-night import from over the Belarussian border. Who would gain in Polish-Russian quarrel? Lukashenko surely would.

The article is from the 'Russian News & Information Agency' so it smells a lot more like Moscow than it does Warsaw...

And 'skinheads in jogging suits? Have I missed something about pop culture or does this sound mighty fishy? Like, were these dudes crusing around in a mini-van and wearing seatbelts, too?

[kedr]

Request to open Katyn case archive's: REJECTED
1/3 opened.
And what about the rest?
State Secret

Request to condemn Baltic states occupation: REJECTED
There were no occupation so it's nothing to condemn
Yeeeeeah, right....if the Russians say so, than good relations with the Balts are simply impossible
Balts can repeat about "occupation" every day if they want. And blame themselves for bad relations. Thay need Russia more, than we need Balts.

There were no occupation, but annexation, which is not the same.

Kaliningrad anniversary: NEIGHBOURS NOT WELCOME
Right decision after theirs disgraceful behaviour during May, 9
What do you mean by "disgraceful behaviour"?

Presidents of Estonia and Lithuania didn't go to Moscow at May, 9. Presidents of Poland and Latvia went but speaked more about "occupation". Is it normal with respect to the country winning fascism at price of 27 mln of its citizens? I think it's disrespect and every russian think so.

[twinself]

OK. I get your point. Hitler tried to annex Soviet Union in June 1941, as he did with Czechoslovakia and Poland.

[twinself]

Therefore there was nothing to condemn and nothing wrong with it, right? He acted in such way to provide security for Volgan Germans. :)

[mdmathis6]

Welcome to Freerepublic...if indeed you are freely here...we do know that foreign governments do monitor this site(just try saying anything against India or China and the sudden posts and New arrivals signing up in defence of said criticisms are something to behold.)

Putin I recognize is a kind of cross-roads leader...He has to deal with remnants of the older regimes that are very corrupt, a strong mafia element left over from the KGB days,a country he is trying to re-energize from decades of shoddy economic planning...all with-out throwing out your new fledgeling democratic republic and its freedoms. I'll bet there are days he'd rather just stay in bed. He has a lot on his plate, but I personally have a cautiosly optimistic feeling concerning him,


An American poet once said "mending fences makes good neighbors". From Putin's point of view, he needs to makes Russia as secure as he can, by what-ever means and alliances he can. I may not agree with every-thing he does and I'm not sure I entirely trust his long term motives when it comes to Israel, America and the Middle east...but I see him as very sane and rational with a cunning streak. Then again, I see George Bush that way too. Relations go smoother between countries when the leaders are sane and rational, and...occaisionally... sligtly antagonistic of each other's policies!(heck even two buddies may smack each other now and then be friends the next day)

One can accuse Americans of naivete, of being 'pushy' with their values...but we are an optimistic lot...we are a nation with an open attitude to the world that says in part..."Come sit a spell in the parlor and have a beer and some pizza...let's see if a ball game is on the TV!"