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Gun bill only sold out lawyers
The Daily Telegram ^ | 7/30/05 | Mark Lenz

Posted on 08/01/2005 7:44:15 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama

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To: Joe Brower

Agree.....a real keeper !


41 posted on 08/01/2005 10:13:21 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Good news!


42 posted on 08/01/2005 11:36:53 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

One minor problem: Requiring the sale of trigger locks is a regressive tax. You are adding to the price of a handgun purchase. The poorer one is, the bigger the bite from the cost of the mandated lock. (Trigger locks are also dangerous, but that's another matter.)


43 posted on 08/01/2005 11:48:52 AM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: montag813
Want to feel good...watch "Runaway Jury" and then laugh you ass off at the hilarious ending, knowing that the Left has been stripped of a huge bogeyman. John Grisham is such a commie dog. Haha, you putz, you don't have Smith and Wesson to kick around anymore.

Grishom's book was about tobacco lawsuits, the screenwriters made it a gun control screed.

44 posted on 08/01/2005 11:57:12 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: TC Rider
Grishom's book was about tobacco lawsuits, the screenwriters made it a gun control screed.

Just as bad

45 posted on 08/01/2005 11:58:41 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Redcloak

If you'll note - I did say that I didn't agree with that part of the bill.


46 posted on 08/01/2005 12:04:12 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Redcloak

I agree and look at all the so called Republicans and conservatives who signed on. Santorum voted with Kennedy and Clinton and Schumer AGAIN. It's no longer a surprise when he votes for garbage like this.


47 posted on 08/01/2005 12:04:38 PM PDT by Badray
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To: montag813

probably, I couldn't finish the book, too tedious.


48 posted on 08/01/2005 12:05:28 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I know of one case where the gun manufacturer was held liable for manufacturing a defective product. it was an excellent decision, too.


49 posted on 08/01/2005 12:15:19 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots

And that's the only way they should be sued! Not for the criminal use of a legal product.


50 posted on 08/01/2005 12:20:12 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Joe Brower

btt


51 posted on 08/01/2005 3:11:37 PM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
I must be the only person in America who isn't on the NRA payroll yet agrees with the bill the Senate passed Friday banning frivolous liability lawsuits against gun companies.

Other than the 4+ million members of the NRA, and the several more millions who say they are members, but aren't, and the millions more who support the Second Amendment but aren't NRA members and do not say they are.

52 posted on 08/01/2005 3:39:33 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: 2nd amendment mama

First they came my gun, than they came for me !


53 posted on 08/01/2005 7:24:38 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Redcloak

Well, not exactly - unless the government is getting the revenue from the trigger lock. Still, I think with the other benefits of the bill that's a minor tradeoff.


54 posted on 08/03/2005 5:28:11 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Badray
Santorum voted with Kennedy and Clinton and Schumer AGAIN. It's no longer a surprise when he votes for garbage like this.

Santorum strayed from Kennedy and company on this bill and its amendments on nearly every vote, and this amendment was hardly a poison pill and it didn't alter the underlying bill's existing provisions.

I see you aren't even being creative with your lies anymore about Santorum and doing so outright on this thread. Your portrayal of Santorum as voting regularly with Kennedy and his ilk is as dishonest as it gets.

It's really amazing how you can bring up Santorum all the time and find any reason, exaggerated or outright lying, to attack one of the most reliable conservatives who has in the past and to this day been attacked ruthlesstly by the left and its allies in the media for standing up for what he believes - and you call him a liberal sellout. You are dishonest, and you are a troll trying to create discontent where there should be none. As I have said before, if you are not an operative of the DNC you might as well be - you serve the same purpose and accomplish their mission better than any paid operative could ever hope to accomplish.

55 posted on 08/03/2005 5:35:49 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: 2nd amendment mama
"... A few days later we purchased what could only be described as cheap handguns: a .38-caliber revolver and a smaller .25-caliber pistol. Neither are considered ideal for home defense, but my wife felt comfortable with them and the cost to purchase or practice with them didn't break our small budget.

The guns we bought are exactly what the anti-gun lobbies have tried for years to ban. "

That's exactly the kind of 'first gun' that I've seen most people buy purchase -- meaning those folks who haven't been handed down an heirloom.

Ask gun store proprietors, and they'll tell you the same thing. There's something about cheap featureless handguns that comforts a first-time buyer, namely those who've had something recently happen to them prompting a visit to a gun store.

It's the wrong thing to do for those who have means to afford better.

56 posted on 08/03/2005 5:48:36 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
The Senate also showed good sense by approving an amendment requiring child safety locks be sold with all handguns.

They can require them sold all they want, but they can't prevent me from throwing one in the trash before I walk out of the store. I will not fool with a gun lock when time is of the essence. I choose to teach my children the dangers of guns, to respect the fact that they can kill you, and to never bother one until they get old enough.

57 posted on 08/03/2005 5:50:28 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: Republican Wildcat
I said:

Santorum voted with Kennedy and Clinton and Schumer AGAIN. It's no longer a surprise when he votes for garbage like this.

To which you blathered: Santorum strayed from Kennedy and company on this bill and its amendments on nearly every vote, and this amendment was hardly a poison pill and it didn't alter the underlying bill's existing provisions.

Hmmm. Why would you say that he 'strayed'? That implies that you agree with me and that he does vote with the left. What does mandatory trigger locks have to do with gun makers not being sued for misuse of their products? This amendment, if it passes the conference committee and final vote is an added cost to gunowners and a detriment to their safety. The bill wasn't going to die without this amendment, so why did Mr Reliability feel the need to intrude on the rights and safety and wealth of gun owners?

I see you aren't even being creative with your lies anymore about Santorum and doing so outright on this thread. Your portrayal of Santorum as voting regularly with Kennedy and his ilk is as dishonest as it gets.

I don't care if Santorum votes with the likes of Clinton, Kennedy, and Schumer twice a year, it's too many times. When did any of them ever vote for anything good for America?

As for who is lying, ( o ), did Ricky vote for the trigger locks or didn't he? Like I said, I don't know how many times he's gone with that crowd, but it's happening with greater frequency, not less.

It's really amazing how you can bring up Santorum all the time and find any reason, exaggerated or outright lying, to attack one of the most reliable conservatives who has in the past and to this day been attacked ruthlesstly by the left and its allies in the media for standing up for what he believes - and you call him a liberal sellout.

Why is it amazing? We're talking about a gun bill and the amendment requiring trigger locks was brought up. Santorum voted for it with all of the leftists. You may want to hide your head up your ass and ignore his rotten votes and increasingly rotting record of votes and behavior, but I won't.

You are dishonest, and you are a troll trying to create discontent where there should be none. As I have said before, if you are not an operative of the DNC you might as well be - you serve the same purpose and accomplish their mission better than any paid operative could ever hope to accomplish.

And you are a lying asshole party hack with his head up his ass willing to ignore a man who ONCE was pretty damn good and is now a virtual piece of crap. I point out the missteps of politicians and you think that I am a DNC operative. I suppose that if I told you your house was on fire, you'd accuse me of setting it. I've been pointing out for almost a year and a half that Ricky's behavior and votes has jeopardized his reelection. I have called for him to be bumped upstairs somewhere to avoid an embarrassing loss. Back then no one wanted to believe me. Now, Ricky can't break 40%. He has never been down this far. Call me names if you want. Ignore my warnings if you want. It doesn't change the facts.

Me a troll? Yeah, right. I have a 7 year history with FR starting with the March For Justice. Those here who matter know me well enough to know that I am not a troll. I just don't tolerate lying pandering pols, no matter what their stripe and no matter what their history. If you sell us out once, you'll do it again.

When do you say enough is enough? Apparently you have a greater tolerance for getting screwed over than I do. Put your kneepads back on and go back to doing whatever it is you do when your on your knees in front of a politician.

58 posted on 08/04/2005 12:20:54 AM PDT by Badray
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