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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

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To: Ichneumon

It states the same thing it just suggest it had lots of time and random changes to accomplish it. Cold fusion with no evidence tried to make the same claim that something spontaneously changed. But you don't see that held up as an example of stunning science. The fact is all evolution has ever been is a rationalization for athiests to ignore God. Now, like homosexuals, they feel the need to enforce their 'theory' on schoolchildren and insist religious folk accept it.


21 posted on 08/01/2005 11:20:16 AM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: narby
You do know that Krauthammer is an MD don't you?

You know Howard Dean is a MD too. Whats your point?

22 posted on 08/01/2005 11:20:28 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: narby

He also hated "The Passion of the Christ"


23 posted on 08/01/2005 11:20:38 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (chance is the “magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing.”)
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To: MEGoody
Nothing could do more to undermine the integrity of science than to undermine and suppress questions regarding the theory of evolution. Oh, they're already doing that.

Complete nonsense. Ask all the questions you want. What people rightly object to, however, is spreading misinformation and pseudoscience in the guise of "challenging" evolution. False propaganda deserves to be barred from classrooms, just as Michael Moore movies have no place in the classroom -- except to serve as a bad example.

Nuff said.

I'm glad to hear that you're finished stating your misconceptions.

24 posted on 08/01/2005 11:21:04 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
it would help if you actually learned at least a little bit of it, so that your remarks are vaguely on target, instead of just expressions of your own misunderstanding.

Humor requires an element of "truth" to be funny. Or at least what the listener understands as "truth".

For such a statement (about the spontaneously morphed ape) to be funny, the listener would have to have a very inaccurate understanding of what evolution is.

Unfortunatly, there may be a great number of those kinds of people. Our science education has been about as bad as it can get.

25 posted on 08/01/2005 11:21:38 AM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: narby

Actually I never said anything about being confused, so you'd have to suggest I was confused before suggesting why. Silly evolutionists mixing up how to prove a point again.


26 posted on 08/01/2005 11:21:50 AM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: trisham
I usually like Krauthammer, but he's out of his element here.

Actually, he's not. He has an M.D. from Harvard. It doesn't make him right, though.

He hits the nail on the head, however, about how evolution is seen as part of a general, and undeniable, assault on religion.

Further, it wasn't until after the turn of the 20th Century when scientific authorities changed their template for the worse from "how did God do it" to "if God did it."

27 posted on 08/01/2005 11:22:03 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: wallcrawlr
Crappy op-ed.

One of the polite fictions of American life is the idea that science can be studied in isolation from history, theology, philosophy, ethics, and so on. Tearing away such a mask threatens our modus vivendi of mental compartmentalization. That's one reason this controversy is so protracted.

28 posted on 08/01/2005 11:22:08 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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To: narby

Yes evolutionists insist you have to 'understand' their theory. It wasn't spontaenous because it took a very very very long time and lots of really really wacky random situations. One day ape. One day latter cave man. There's not much more to understand than that evolutionists have observed similarities in man and similarities in ape and ASSUMED they must have once been the same thing.


29 posted on 08/01/2005 11:23:47 AM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: narby

why can't "creationists" (especially the earth is only several thousand years old kind) accept that evolution was allowed by whatever God they worship? Do they think there was really a talking serpent?


30 posted on 08/01/2005 11:25:17 AM PDT by Serpentor (go to www.jihadwatch.org for the truth!)
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To: Sybeck1
He also hated "The Passion of the Christ"

And I suppose you'll now jump to the conlcusion that everyone who understands evolution is now anti-Christian?

It's amazing the links one can find if you're looking for them.

Did you know that John Kennedy's secretaries name was Lincoln, and President Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy!?!?

31 posted on 08/01/2005 11:25:28 AM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: kharaku

"Anyway i'm off to chase a guy that spontanously morphed from an ape."


Good luck. I keep trying to fend off the advances of a naked, apple-eating woman who was spontaneously created from one of my ribs and some mud. Lemme tell ya, if she's been made "in God's image", that is one UGLY God.


32 posted on 08/01/2005 11:27:15 AM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: narby

Did you know that John Kennedy's secretaries name was Lincoln, and President Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy!?!?
__________

Bush's fault?


33 posted on 08/01/2005 11:27:51 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Serpentor
Do they think there was really a talking serpent?

Oh, yes. And Noah really got all those animals onto the ark. Even the one's that would not survive in the location from where it was launched. And the ark was large enough, and had food enough for all of them. Even though wooden ships of that size have never successfully been constructed.

Every word in the Bible is sacred. And true.

34 posted on 08/01/2005 11:28:21 AM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: Serpentor

"Do they think there was really a talking serpent?"


Yes. They also believe that it was possible to stick 2 of every single, solitary species on an Ark whose measurements have been mathematically proven to NOT have space to do so. Of course, it's also been mathematically proven that there isn't enough water on the planet to flood the entire planet but no sense in letting evil, godless science spoil a good fairy tale!


35 posted on 08/01/2005 11:29:01 AM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: narby

No everyone who 'unserstands' evolution ha thrown scientific analysis to the 4 winds, in a leap of faith, the sad thing is they faithfully insists it's scientific to do so.


36 posted on 08/01/2005 11:29:36 AM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: wallcrawlr; Zionist Conspirator

Here's a little exercise.

Visit the public library. Check out a few books on evolutionary biology. Issues of "National Geographic" are good too.

Open one of the books or magazines and start reading. Keep reading. Yes, I know that it is boring as all get out, but soldier on.

Eventually, you will come to a phrase like "The Plan of Evolution," or "Nature's Grand Design" or "Nature's Creation" or "Evolution's Clever Strategy" or even "THE MIRACLE OF EVOLUTION!!!!"

Now, if Evolution (or "Nature", the terms are used interchangeably) is nothing but random accidents, how can random accident have a "Plan" or a "Grand Design" or a "Clever Strategy"? That would imply (gasp!) a HIGHER INTELLIGENCE.

Yet the Evolution writers use this terminology all the time. That is very religionist for supposedly "pure scientists."


37 posted on 08/01/2005 11:29:56 AM PDT by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: narby

Whoa. Your post 34 beat me by milliseconds!


38 posted on 08/01/2005 11:29:56 AM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: kharaku
There's not much more to understand than that evolutionists have observed similarities in man and similarities in ape and ASSUMED they must have once been the same thing.

If that's the level of your understanding of the TOE, then I can certainly understand your confusion.

39 posted on 08/01/2005 11:30:16 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: narby

You can't beleive that? Why not? No fossil evidence for it? Seems right up the alley of an evolutionists.


40 posted on 08/01/2005 11:30:20 AM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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