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"Judicial comment sets Crist apart" (Incredible RINO projectile vomiting alert)
St. Petersburg Times ^ | (7/31/2005) | STEVE BOUSQUET

Posted on 08/01/2005 9:17:53 PM PDT by eartotheground

"It was one of the shortest speeches of Charlie Crist's career, but as a campaign for governor unfolds, it may prove to be one of the most memorable. Two weeks ago, the Republican attorney general and candidate for governor gave a late-night speech to a roomful of lawyers in Miami where he referred to the judges in the Terri Schiavo case as 'heroes.' Crist insists he wasn't endorsing court rulings that prevented the brain-damaged woman's feeding tube from being reconnected, but critics view it differently. And by appearing to break his silence in the Schiavo case, Crist has sharpened the contrast between himself and Republican rival Tom Gallagher, who has said he favored government action to 'prevent Terri's starvation.' At the dinner in Miami, Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer and U.S. District Judge James Whittemore of Tampa were honored as jurists of the year by the Florida chapter of ABOTA, the American Board of Trial Advocates. The group champions judicial indep! endence and its members are lawyers who represent both plaintiffs and defendants. Greer is the judge who ordered Schiavo's feeding tube removed, rejecting a subpoena from Congress and pleas from Gov. Jeb Bush, and Whittemore also denied emergency requests to reinsert the tube in the weeks before Schiavo died March 31. Both men's decisions were later upheld by higher courts, and both were praised and vilified by opposing sides of the emotionally charged end-of-life case. Crist said he was 'proud' of both judges, 'You are heroes to all of us, and your defense of the judiciary and what is right is beyond admirable,'"

(Excerpt) Read more at sptimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: felos; greer; righttodeath; righttolife; rino; schindler; terrischiavo; triallawyers

1 posted on 08/01/2005 9:17:54 PM PDT by eartotheground
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To: eartotheground

Charlie Crist is a pathetic loser.


2 posted on 08/01/2005 9:42:54 PM PDT by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: eartotheground
Keep in mind that you can't get much farther left than the St Pete Times, and that Bousquet is also far left, so it's likely that some measure of context has been intentionally omitted.

That said, Crist is pretty weaseley and would probably prove to be a RINO if elected. He's one of those guys who kept running until he was finally elected to something. He won't get my vote in the primary.

3 posted on 08/01/2005 9:46:12 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Liberals preach comity and practice calumny.)
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To: mcenedo

Crist is a class warfare, business bashing, and now, apparently, a pro-death Republican. I've thought he was a poor choice for a "leader" for a long time: this seals it.


4 posted on 08/02/2005 2:13:40 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: clintonh8r

He'd alienate a good deal of the GOP base, but maybe Democrats would swoon after him because of his obsequiousness to the Terricides.


5 posted on 08/02/2005 2:16:14 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: summer

do you have the florida ping list??


6 posted on 08/02/2005 10:58:18 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; Joe Brower

That would be Joe Brower.


7 posted on 08/02/2005 2:03:09 PM PDT by summer
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...
Florida Freeper

I'm compiling a list of FReepers interested in Florida-related topics.
If you want to be added, please FReepMail me.


8 posted on 08/03/2005 5:11:44 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Joe Brower; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

FL Ping...


9 posted on 08/03/2005 5:14:09 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Recovering_Democrat

There's another article on FR and a female reporter asked Crist if he was gay. He denied it but I guess you could hear a pin drop in that room. I wonder if the reporter asked because she had a tip to that effect or if she just wanted to get shock effect.

We've got way too many RINO's, I'm beginning to think they went Republican because they weren't quite liberal enough to get the Dim vote. They could run as "moderate" pubs and beat a lib. The RINOs are ruining the party and distancing true conservatives.


10 posted on 08/03/2005 5:21:34 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: Joe Brower

This is already posted, Joe.


11 posted on 08/03/2005 5:48:13 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: 8mmMauser

Ping. What now?


12 posted on 08/03/2005 5:49:15 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: eartotheground
Already here fyi.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1454106/posts

13 posted on 08/03/2005 5:50:25 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: floriduh voter
So nice, it was posted twice. $;-)
14 posted on 08/03/2005 5:54:42 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Joe Brower

Floridians need to know that CC is a wolf in sheep's clothing.


15 posted on 08/03/2005 6:52:54 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: Joe Brower

Confused? If so, run for governor, everybody's doing it.

16 posted on 08/03/2005 6:54:15 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: mcenedo
Charlie Crist is taking a stand against judicial activism.

The judges he praised supported the law on the books. If the people want different laws, they need to go through the legislature, not get judges to make laws from the bench.

For years we've been complaining about just this type of thing being done by liberal judges on the SC. And rightly so. The legislature is the place laws should be made. Not the bench. If we have bad law, then it should be changed. Let's not assume a judge knows better than the people who make laws. Conservatives don't need an elite system that mimics liberal judges who put their "feelings" above the power of the people to create their own laws.

I don't want to be like liberals. I don't want judicial activism. Period. Not on their side, not on our side. The law's bad? Change it. Don't expect our judges to cheat. We're not liberals.

The judges job is to interpret the existing law. Let's change the laws that are wrong. Not expect our judges become like liberals. Crist is a wonderful man. He's coming from a place of great respect for our legal system.

17 posted on 08/03/2005 7:54:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (A person who will lie for you, will lie against you.)
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To: tutstar; mcenedo; clintonh8r; Recovering_Democrat; The Red Zone; OXENinFLA
I heard liberals talking about this Crist comment yesterday -- and they were thrilled it might increase their chances of getting a dem into office. And Crist is divorced -- no one on the planet thinks he's gay. Dems are desperate to trash any popular Republican. Their "hate" is showing...

What Charlie did was stand against judicial activism.

The judges he praised supported the law on the books. If the people want different laws, they need to go through the legislature, not get judges to make laws from the bench.

For years we've been complaining about just this type of thing being done by liberal judges on the SC. And rightly so. The legislature is the place laws should be made. Not the bench. If we have bad law, then it should be changed. Let's not assume a judge knows better than the people who make laws. Conservatives don't need an elite system that mimics liberal judges who put their "feelings" above the power of the people to create their own laws.

I don't want to be like liberals. I don't want judicial activism. Period. Not on their side, not on our side. The law's bad? Change it. Don't expect our judges to cheat. We're not liberals.

The judges job is to interpret the existing law. Let's change the laws that are wrong. Not expect our judges become like liberals. Crist is a wonderful man. He's coming from a place of great respect for our legal system.

18 posted on 08/03/2005 8:10:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (A person who will lie for you, will lie against you.)
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To: GOPJ

Some of the laws were followed but not all of them.

People are working to change laws but as long as we have good ole boys who are Dems in Pubs clothing, it won't happen. King refuses to represent his constituent base and will vote how he wants. Not many people in his district like him and so far I haven't heard one good tale about the man. Ruthless and greedy would be how folks personal accounts have viewed him, and some of those stories go way back.

The guardianship laws were dragged through the mud and might as well be ditched. Others in Pinellas have had to go through courts there and have been ripped off and victimized.

When the *&%# starts at the top and rolls downhill the everyday people don't have a chance because there is no one to keep the judges in check.

Even the auditor in Pinellas is denied access to all the records.

For your perusal...

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/06/14/Columns/Disorder_in_court_Dem.shtml

True news item: Charles W. Cope, then a Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge, is arrested while attending a judicial conference in California. Police accuse him of trying to enter a hotel room occupied by two women. The arrest is kept secret by Pinellas' chief judge for months.

True news item: Months after the voters fire Circuit Judge Bonnie Newton, as the state pursued disciplinary charges against her, the public learns that Pinellas' past and current chief judges arranged for her to take a courthouse job to preserve her pension.

True news item: Brandt C. Downey, a Pinellas-Pasco circuit judge, disappears from the bench for two weeks without explanation to the public. Chief Judge David A. Demers says he is "not at liberty" to say why. Reports suggest allegations of sexual harassment and computer pornography. Downey returns to the bench, also without explanation.

True news item: In an unusual midyear shakeup, Chief Judge Demers reassigns six Pinellas-Pasco judges - including Downey - without explanation. Courthouse spokesman Ron Stuart declines to say whether the moves are related to Downey.

Demers' statement: "Occasionally, we make changes in assignments in the middle of the calendar year, and this is one of those occasions."

http://www.justiceforfloridaseniors.org/dirty-guardian-tricks.html
(I'm just listing the first one.)

Here are just 10 of the "dirty tricks," as outlined by Pinellas County Internal Auditor Robert W. Melton:

1) Guardian creation of a trust: Remove all oversight by the court as a provision of the trust agreement; guardian becomes trustee; provide that the trustee can do whatever they want at their sole discretion.

2) Sell real estate at lowball price: Use "lowball" valuations as a benchmark; don't list property with Realtors; sell to a land trust, where nobody knows the beneficiary; watch property resold a few months later for a huge increase.

3) Maximize your (or your crony's) profit from investments: Hire money manager for "financial expertise" and let the manager select an investment broker; invest in volatile stocks and trade frequently to generate commissions; if you run up a large gain, don't selectively liquidate over time to pay the taxes but hold a "fire sale" to raise funds all in one day.


19 posted on 08/03/2005 9:03:19 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: eartotheground
Who can identify these people? I see Crist and Reno.

A RINO and a Reno!
20 posted on 08/03/2005 9:10:14 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: tutstar
The arrest is kept secret by Pinellas' chief judge for months.

The JQC takes time to look into allegations before condemning a judge. It's a good system. It'll take some time for me to comment on your other points.

21 posted on 08/03/2005 9:13:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (A person who will lie for you, will lie against you.)
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To: GOPJ

I know several people who have filed complaints with the JQC and are not receiving any response after additional requests for a response have been made. I've wondered why the person in charge of JQC isn't even a lawyer but that's my curiousity for you.

I don't expect a swift reply. Folks have lives to live and can't be on this forum 24/7. I 'm simply trying to point out that there are illegalities occurring and being ignored and/or covered up. There's more than what I posted.

There have to be some noble persons of integrity in this world who are willing to do the right thing instead of trying to win a popularity contest.


22 posted on 08/03/2005 9:24:17 AM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: Joe Brower; snowsislander
Refer to post 20 picture

Who is keeping company with Charlie:
Dennis Alvarez ex-Judge in Tampa, under current FBI investigation
Charlie "RINO" Crist
Janet Reno (The infamous Janet Reno)
William Dalehite (ABOTA)
and
Herman Russomanno, President FLABOTA

Nice conservative credentials...
23 posted on 08/03/2005 11:09:48 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: GOPJ
The legislature is the place laws should be made. Not the bench. If we have bad law, then it should be changed.

Judge Greer was ordered by the legislature--Congress--to be available for a subpoena. He ignored it. And the Congress ordered federal judges to review the case. They ignored it. I know the remarks Crist made were not to the feds. The prinicipal remains.

Crist will not get my vote.

24 posted on 08/03/2005 11:42:52 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: OXENinFLA
THANKS FOR     THE PING

25 posted on 08/03/2005 1:37:43 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: eartotheground
If the St. Pete Times, what a rag, has anything good to say about Crist, then run away from him as quickly as you can! Next to the Orlando Slantinel, it is the most liberal rag in Florida.
26 posted on 08/03/2005 6:56:21 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: eartotheground
The Empire Journal is read by the Times. TEJ covered this Crist Banquet earlier this summer and here's a new editorial at TEJ.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/

FYI: There was a robust protest at Greer's first honorary award banquet. The media covered it - we were surprised. Greer's been getting awards for bumping Terri off since May.

27 posted on 08/04/2005 9:16:12 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: GOPJ; tutstar
Crist is from Pinellas County. As Florida's Chief Law Enforcment Officer, he's a failure. JUDGE GEORGE GREER is the poster boy for judicial activism (tyranny). How does praising a crooked judge from his Pinellas County make Crist against judicial activism?

GREER refused to allow testing of Terri, refused to give her a divorce, GREER defied the U.S. Congress and the POTUS. If that isn't judicial activism, then I'll have what you're having.

CRIST FAILED AS FLA AG. No way I'm chancing him failing as governor.

Dereliction of duty? That's Charlie Crist. He should be impeached but we have until 2006 to get that put together.

28 posted on 08/04/2005 9:20:24 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: Dominick

id the people? wacky and waco.


29 posted on 08/04/2005 9:21:11 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: Dominick

Isn't that former dem Fla AG Bob Butterworth on the far left of that photo? I think his wife shot herself dead in a phone booth years ago. I don't make this stuff up. The people in that photo are BAD FOR WOMEN.


30 posted on 08/04/2005 9:22:53 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: floriduh voter

http://www.judgegeorgegreer.com. DIRT ON GREER


31 posted on 08/04/2005 9:24:01 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: Sun; amdgmary
FLORIDA SENATOR JIM KING PING (related)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/my/comments?more=101825013

32 posted on 08/04/2005 9:27:31 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org)
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To: floriduh voter
I think that is EX-Chief Judge F. Dennis Alvarez, buddies with the late Harry Lee Coe, LE official, gambler and "oriental massage" enthusiast.


Alvarez:


33 posted on 08/04/2005 11:10:13 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: eartotheground; Joe Brower; floriduh voter
Story picked up by a liberal hack....

http://tampatrib.com/News/columns/MGBC7DHTZBE.html

If Ruth thought Crist did the right thing, you can bet it was the wrong thing. He is like a endorsement from the NEA; if the NEA endorsed a candidate, whats wrong with him?

One other thing, if the law is an ass, then the law must be ignored or struck down. That is not judicial activism. Judges should rule laws are invalid or unconstitutional, and the law permitting the starving of a healthy but disabled woman should be struck down. I can't support the circus that occurred around Terri, but the principle was sound.

Judicial activism is creating "rights" out of thin air, like to right to kill your unborn child, and the upcoming right, to use the murdered child's stem cells to experiment with.
34 posted on 08/05/2005 5:19:33 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Ditto big time


35 posted on 08/05/2005 5:24:49 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Dominick
The St. Pete Times today said that Terri had a constitutional right to die. The truth be told that nobody has a constitutional right to be murdered by the government. Terri was martyred and Crist meant what he said at the Coral Gables banquet. He's just so ignorant that he thought he could speak freely among lawyers and crooked judges.

I've heard recently that there are a lot of attorneys who were against Terri's barbaric death and they are also against the spineless people in govt. who didn't save her.

Rush may be agreeing with Crist because Crist is somehow involved in Rush's warrant regarding his doc shopping charges. Rush may be defending Crist to help his own situation re: oxycontin.

36 posted on 08/05/2005 4:24:55 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Fla chicks AGAINST CRIST, EVERETT RICE, JIM KING & euthanazi's everywhere)
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To: NautiNurse; Sun; tutstar

37 posted on 08/05/2005 4:27:59 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Fla chicks AGAINST CRIST, EVERETT RICE, JIM KING & euthanazi's everywhere)
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To: floriduh voter

www.electharris.org


38 posted on 08/05/2005 4:39:03 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Fla chicks AGAINST CRIST, EVERETT RICE, JIM KING & euthanazi's everywhere)
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To: GOPJ
Sorry, got to disagree.

Couple a years ago (5-6) Crist was Commish of (Mis)Education or something. There was a big cheating controversy at one of the predominately black high schools. The proctors were sent home early so the kids could concentrate on cheating. These geniuses all got the same score based on identical answers to every question.

Of course this final score on their graduation test was, in most cases, far in excess of anything ever achieved before.

Charlie strode in, said there was not enough time for a retest and, not wanting to disenfranchise ANYONE, said EVERYONE would be credited with their score.

What a guy. Knelt down at the feet of the NEA and said "Of course its impossible to retest these kids and get the results in time."

Bullspit! Give the kids the same damn test again. If they could even remember the correct answers, I say graduate them.

But no, a bunch of (protected racial class) mothers protesting the unfair treatment of their cheating kids gets on TV and Charlie crawls in and forgives everyone.

39 posted on 08/05/2005 10:26:24 PM PDT by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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