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An American Hiroshima?
Frontpagemagazine ^ | 8-2-05 | Jamie Glazov/Joseph Farah

Posted on 08/02/2005 5:16:46 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: RSmithOpt
" Will it be 100%, no, but it will sure as hell slow down the criminal activity element."

LMAO! Dream on. Anyone can, at anytime slip across the Canadian border, along either coast, and Mexico. Are you going to wall off the entire country? One big prison complex? Put a roof over it and call it an insane asylum.

One doesn't even have to crawl through mosquito infested bogs, and forrest choked thickets to cross the border. just wait for the border guards to go home at some locations, and drive over the rubber cones they put on the road.

The answer is as mentioned above, we must fight this war over there, but we have to have the will to do it, which as we can see just isn't there. Maybe it will be there after we take a few hits, and quit trying to fight a PC war.

51 posted on 08/02/2005 7:32:21 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: SJackson

Looks like Joseph Farah is looking to be the new Art Bell.


52 posted on 08/02/2005 8:02:35 AM PDT by Dean Baker (Two wrongs may not make a right, but three lefts do.)
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To: lugsoul

Oops. lol.


53 posted on 08/02/2005 8:09:13 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Well, from my training in strategic tactics, soldiers are trained in tactics to protect their flanks and to keep a good eye on your 6. Otherwise, you set yourself up for a sucker punch.

Either spend the money for physical border barriers and more patrol personnel, or just 'French yourself' to the enemy over the problem.

I see no problems with the US suspending all foreign aid until the barriers and personnel are in place and diverting that money to a more worthy cause.

54 posted on 08/02/2005 8:27:32 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Maceman

Judging the response when Cong. Tancredo made his comments, I would say you are right. We don't have the will. We don't even have the will to spell out to them what the consequences of such an act would be. We didn't have the will to kick them out of our country after 9/11. And obviously, we don't have the will to rid our country of these vipers before they can act again.


55 posted on 08/02/2005 10:09:54 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: lugsoul

Perhaps there's a Julian/Gregorian Calendar misunderstanding.


56 posted on 08/02/2005 10:16:27 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: DB
I don't know. If literally LA or NY was gone in a flash with millions dead there would be no limit to our rage.

I agree, while we are as a nation generous, companionate, reasonable and generally wise, we are also quite capable of unleashing unspeakable horror when the situation calls for it.

What may seem unthinkable to us today may tomorrow seem like a measured and reasonable response to a crisis situation. This is not a country to back into a corner. Even I fear what a frightened and vengeful America could unleash.

57 posted on 08/02/2005 11:58:42 AM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: Dean Baker

Not if, but when.


58 posted on 08/02/2005 12:02:33 PM PDT by TBall
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To: linkinpunk
No offense to Joseph Farah fans, but wasn't he one of the Y2K alarmists a few years ago?

Doesn't matter if he was. This is a different scenario that is confirmed by lots of other sources not connected to WND and Farrah, even by Putin himself in a veiled threat several years ago contained in a speech directed at the US, in which he said that some of the tactical nukes that disappeared from Russia's inventory after the fall of the USSR could end up in the "wrong hands".

Defected former soviet KGB and military people have confirmed this as well, such as Col. Lunev.

That Al Kayda has nukes is kind of old news actually.

59 posted on 08/02/2005 12:05:48 PM PDT by Mister_Diddy_Wa_Diddy
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To: TypeZoNegative
If they want to make an American Hiroshima, they better damn well be prepared for an "Islamic Atlantis". Nuke them until the Arabic tetonic plate sinks into the ocean.

It's been well known around DC and other circles that soon after 9-11, Bush sent a message to Osama that should another attack take place on his watch, that Mecca would be turned into a sheet of green glass.

Odds are that Osama is waiting for Bush to leave office.

60 posted on 08/02/2005 12:14:37 PM PDT by Mister_Diddy_Wa_Diddy
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To: DB

if NY or LA went up in ball of fire, GOP could do anything they wanted and still win next election, millions of demoncrat votes would disappear instantly.


61 posted on 08/02/2005 12:19:19 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: SJackson

Thank you.

Bump


62 posted on 08/02/2005 12:22:26 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp Meet YOUR Communist party members in Congress)
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To: SJackson
"Dates are very important to al-Qaida, as we have come to know, and one of the dates mentioned in connection with this "American Hiroshima" plan is Aug. 6, the anniversary of the U.S. nuclear attack on Hiroshima in 1945. No year has been set, but it is worth noting that this Aug. 6th is the 60th anniversary of that attack."

They also go by an Islamic calendar, dumbass.
63 posted on 08/02/2005 12:41:11 PM PDT by oldleft
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To: oldleft
They also go by an Islamic calendar, dumbass.

Which means little or nothing to most Westerners, to whom he (may the sand of a thousand deserts lodge in his skivvies) is trying to make the ultimate point, sir. When you're trying to reach someone, you have to understand their symbolism.

64 posted on 08/02/2005 12:44:54 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living affront to Islam since 1959)
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To: SlowBoat407

What does that have to do with making a point? That was one of the first lines I read, and it tainted the whole article. I don't think this guy knows what the hell he's talking about. Buried Russian nukes in the US? How have they maintained them? how have we not detected the radiation? It makes no sense.

On the other hand, if you have a platform and yell "AL QEADA HAS NUKES!" it'll get you noticed!


65 posted on 08/02/2005 12:48:24 PM PDT by oldleft
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To: RSmithOpt

So your going to build an electrified wall across the entire southern and northern borders? And on all the coastal areas too?

Reducing crime is one thing.

Reducing the chance of a nuclear device going off here is entirely something else. If your solution for that is the wall, it will be a total failure.


66 posted on 08/02/2005 1:00:51 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: Gulf War One
"A number of American psychics, including a few who are born-again Christians....,"

A truly "born again" Christian can't be a "psychic" per Deuteronomy 18. Being "a psychic" is the practice of divination, which The Lord does NOT take kindly to. Whatever follows then, is discredited, as it's NOT God that he's hearing from.

67 posted on 08/02/2005 1:27:14 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...or the false prophet at the very least.)
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To: Brilliant; Maceman
I would have to agree with Maceman.

Much if not all of the Muslim world views America as nothing but a "paper tiger" that would be unable to respond when such a thing happens.

68 posted on 08/02/2005 1:46:53 PM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: DB

What war?
The one we are losing to Mexico?

We aren't even fighting.


69 posted on 08/02/2005 1:48:30 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: badpacifist
I don't put too much stock in prophetic dreams, but OTOH, I made a conscious decision to live waaay outside Atlanta. Just in case. Better quality of life too.
70 posted on 08/02/2005 2:05:01 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: gobucks
Because to me, this article seems to have only two possible purposes: actually warn us of a real threat, or make us have terrible feelings about Jews. Frankly, I think it is the latter.

I may not agree with Farrar's conclusions here, but there is no anti-semitism. You'll note Farrar's strong condemnation of what he claims is the exclusion of Arab Jews from sensitive national security posts.

71 posted on 08/02/2005 2:17:47 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: SJackson
"There is a master plan ... being plotted in meetings ...the Council on Foreign Relations. ... this open-borders policy is a direct result of those plans, which have been secretly adopted by our highest leaders, including President Bush."

Great. Farah's a kook. I never knew that.

72 posted on 08/02/2005 2:49:58 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...or the false prophet at the very least.)
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To: Gulf War One

I had googled for the 'dream' and was just posting it when i saw your post. I am now bummed out.


73 posted on 08/02/2005 7:41:57 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: NormB; All

74 posted on 08/02/2005 7:43:16 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: bitt

WooHoo! Thank you!


75 posted on 08/02/2005 7:48:47 PM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: absolootezer0
"if NY or LA went up in ball of fire,... millions of demoncrat votes would disappear instantly."

You can't POSSIBLY be that naive. Since when does a little issue like death prevent a democrat from voting?

76 posted on 08/02/2005 11:08:22 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...or the false prophet at the very least.)
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To: kharaku
"9/11 was relatively small, extremly alarming, but tiny compared to say, a whole city. If DC were turned into a parking lot, you can bet there'd be political will to wipe Mecca off the map"

Not until after all the vaporized leaders were replaced.

77 posted on 08/02/2005 11:35:37 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: absolootezer0

Yes, that is true. What is also true is that our beloved New York (still in America) had more republican votes for Bush than ANY OTHER STATE. Folks should'nt forget that fact, just because they are so outnumbered there, thats still a lotta right-minded people there.


78 posted on 08/03/2005 3:57:51 AM PDT by SaintDismas (Jest becuz you put yer boots in the oven, don't make it bread)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Read Phyllis Schlafly's summary for a start.

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/july05/05-07-13.html


79 posted on 08/03/2005 5:48:04 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: DB
A wall along the land borders, is basically a serious deterrent, not a cure. Walls work pretty good for prisons, do they not?

However, a much more simpler solution is for military patrols. If caught illegally in this country and after a thorough investigation to verify the perpetrator's legal or illegal presence, kids and all, are then executed by firing squad with televised action back to those around the world. It is a harsh solution, but it would be effective. Either that or put the captured illegals into labor camps for a year building the wall(s) and give them 3 hots & a cot. After one year of labor, they have the option of telling us where they came from to deport them or they can simply work 7 days a week for the next year for food and shelter; no money. Also, we need a law barring forever coming back to the country again anyone caught entering illegally; no need to apply. If the risks are too great to come into this country illegally, then most will wait to get it done legally. CAFTA just screwed us with security and immigration. Such laws can be implemented and enforced, however, seems that US businessmen and international corporations prefer the US turn a blind eye as to exploit slave (cheap) labor to improve their bottoms lines and bonuses.

I know it all sounds a little crazy, but as of now, no punishment is being handed to those coming in illegally. We have the money available to build the wall and fence. I guess we should let all the US criminals out of jail now as we now have no effective means, ugggh....I mean an unwilling government, to stop foreign criminals from simply walking across our borders. Can't discriminate can we? IMHO, anyone against implementation of illegal entry deterrents is a bleeding heart liberal, currently using illegal labor for their own gain, or simply doesn't really care.

BTW, how would a physical electronically monitored barrier to keep people and vehicles from simply driving over the borders be a total failure with respect to security? Security of coastal areas are another issue entirely. Unsecured borders is a big problem. It is impossible to instantaneously remove all radicals around the world that want to terrorize the US with a nuke detonation and attempt to bring us one here for the fireworks. So, I guess it's cheaper to rebuild the downtown of a major city after a nuke detonation than to erect a wall/fence combo and forget innocent folks perishing in the process?

I'd like to hear your solution on increasing border security or are you simply content to just let a nuke or dirty bomb detonate and hope it's not where you live?

One final note, I don't like the situation at all, however, it has been forced upon us in this country, so, how do we improve the situation? Keep in mind also, 2/3 of those in this world want to live next door and work next door to you and me. Is there enough room and water for that to happen and are US citizens responsible for every individuals economic, physical, educational, and spiritual demise?

Please forgive what may sound as a harsh tone as a reply to you, it is not a personal attack on you or your comment. I'm just more fed up with the Fed's, states' and locals' BS and unwillingness to enforce our current laws as they have been sworn to uphold, that's all.

80 posted on 08/03/2005 5:54:03 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: RSmithOpt

Phyllis Schlafly has written a summary(sourced) explaining exactly why nothing will be done to protect the borders.

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/july05/05-07-13.html

Remember her?

Friend of Reagan and Conservative Icon.


81 posted on 08/03/2005 10:04:08 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: kharaku

Quote: If DC were turned into a parking lot, you can bet there'd be political will to wipe Mecca off the map.



I would also guess PC would immediately go out the window and all muslims would be rounded up and detained.


82 posted on 08/03/2005 10:14:47 AM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Thank you for the link.


83 posted on 08/03/2005 10:59:00 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Read the article. I already was aware of corporate America's major influence on the lack of enforcement, not to mention huge international companies that have no allegiance to any country, just their bottom line. Corporate leaders love their idols: The Delusion of Perceived Power and Control and An Account Number.
84 posted on 08/03/2005 11:04:27 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: superiorslots

"I would also guess PC would immediately go out the window and all muslims would be rounded up and detained."

PC is dying now, albeit a little too slow for my tastes. But you are right a nuke in any US city and PC will only be a bad memory. It would be a very bad time for any Mid-Eastern person in this country.


85 posted on 08/03/2005 11:08:11 AM PDT by DarthVader (Islam is not something to be understood, it is something that must be utterly destroyed)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

"Great. Farah's a kook. I never knew that."

No he is NOT!!! If he is then so is President Bush, who has been talking about Nucular (bad spelling intended) attacks for years, so has Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condonlizza Rice, and everyone else in the government who has studied terrorism at all.

Mr Farah is simply trying to get the word out, and my personal opinion on the timing is simply because he believes by publishing the intended dates, that perhaps Osama won't nuke us on those days because he wants an element of surprise.

But nuke us he will, and it is time for us to take the blinders off and simply prepare. Preparations are not so difficult, and the first step is simply to get educated on the facts and then put in a few supplies. It also helps to learn the facts versus the myths of nuclear warfare, as well as understand that we the people have been LETHARGIC about the true state of our world and what needs to happen in terms of Civil Defense.

Here are a few links to get you all started...

http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p914.htm

http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p916.htm

http://healthandenergy.com/an_american_hiroshima.htm

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/7/15/01030.shtml


Jenny Hatch

PS
Y2K was NOT a non-event. Business spent 100 BILLION dollars to fix the problem, I know because I watched the numbers very closely, and my husband worked personally on the problem for his company as a computer engineer. The money spent on Y2K contributed to the dot.com fiasco, and to say that Farah encouraging people to get prepared for a potential Y2K disaster means he has no credibility is just bunk. Y2K could have been a huge disaster without the whisteblowers sounding the alarm a couple years before it happened.

PPSS For Jesus's warning about what is going to happen in the future just read Matthew 24. All Christians and bible believers should be preparing for a time of societal chaos.

The difference between President Bush and Joseph Farah is that Farah has had the guts to publish a potential date along with his information, a date that is three days away....I'm sure this was a difficult decision to make, knowing that he could be heckled and dissed for even suggesting it, but the fact is that Muslim extremists have wanted to nuke the US for a long, long time... If not saturday, then perhaps another time...


86 posted on 08/03/2005 12:58:44 PM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Jenny Hatch)
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To: Jenny Hatch
Oh, I didn't mean for a moment that the nuclear threat itself is kooky, that's ominously plausable.

This is what I mean by a kook.

I meant Farah's reference to the tinfoil-hat conspiracy stuff. The conspiracy bunch believes that there's one small group of people that controls everything, and that each election is fixed in advanced, decided in some smokey backroom, years in advance. The Federal Reserve's in on it, the FBI, CIA, the Rockefellers, and of course the mainstream press. Both Bush and his dad are in on it, and are puppets of the "secret committee."

So if that's the case, why does the press hate him so much?

87 posted on 08/03/2005 10:09:33 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...or the false prophet at the very least.)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

but everything IS a conspiracy....right?

Hee Hee

Jenny

PS Chortled out loud when I read your user name.


88 posted on 08/03/2005 10:35:36 PM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Jenny Hatch)
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