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ARE Americans practicing Communism?
10 Steps to Communism ^ | Darlene Sartore

Posted on 08/02/2005 8:22:11 AM PDT by blueberry12

Here are the 10 steps that Marx listed in the Communist Manifesto. Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership) - On June 23, 2005 The Supreme Court ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses -- even against their will -- for private economic development.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: america; cnim; communism; manifesto; marx

1 posted on 08/02/2005 8:22:12 AM PDT by blueberry12
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To: blueberry12
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2 posted on 08/02/2005 8:22:59 AM PDT by eyespysomething ("Old Hippies" re-living their activist youth - the first time nostalgia had a body count attached.)
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To: blueberry12

Yes ... until we get it just right!

You know, "good" communism.

LOL!


3 posted on 08/02/2005 8:28:04 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: blueberry12

>> 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

I dispute this.

Where is this ether under state (or any reasonable) control...?


4 posted on 08/02/2005 9:04:08 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: blueberry12

>> . Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

I dispute this.

How are all the factories and corporations that leave our shores under any form of state control.


5 posted on 08/02/2005 9:06:31 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: blueberry12

This is old stuff.

I read this when I was a kid, when communism still lived.

Communism is dead today, and I never got to actually kill one.

it's dumb paranoia... There is so much better stuff out there today, why waste time on this.

Coast to Coast has better stuff than this on every night.


6 posted on 08/02/2005 9:13:29 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: blueberry12

Yes. Social Security and "public education" even comes right out and admits it.


7 posted on 08/02/2005 9:20:33 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (I count on guest workers to correct my typos because I am too lazy to do so myself.)
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To: mmercier

I tried listening to it one night and my radio went right over the edge of the table it was sitting on. . .


8 posted on 08/02/2005 9:44:14 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: mmercier; SittinYonder
I read this when I was a kid, when communism still lived.

Communism is dead today, and I never got to actually kill one.

it's dumb paranoia... There is so much better stuff out there today, why waste time on this.

9 posted on 08/02/2005 11:32:04 AM PDT by eyespysomething ("Old Hippies" re-living their activist youth - the first time nostalgia had a body count attached.)
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To: mmercier

http://financialtimes.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=FT.com+%2F+World+%2F+Europe+-+China+and+Russia+joint+exercises+to+strengthen+ties&expire=&urlID=15024282&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F25b2d756-036b-11da-b54a-00000e2511c8%2Cft_acl%3D%2Cs01%3D1.html&partnerID=1702

China and Russia joint exercises to strengthen ties

>By Mure Dickie in Beijing
>Published: August 2 2005 16:57 | Last updated: August 2 2005 16:57
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Nearly 10,000 troops are to take part in unprecedented joint military exercises by China and Russia this month aimed at strengthening ties between the armed forces of two powers that were once bitter foes.

Chinese state media said yesterday the “Peace Mission 2005” exercises would be held from August 18-25 in and around the Russian far eastern port of Vladivostok and the Chinese coastal province of Shandong.

The scale of the exercises, which will involve land, air, naval, paratroop and marine forces, underlines the determination of Beijing and Moscow to expand a military relationship that has blossomed over the past 15 years.


10 posted on 08/02/2005 11:34:41 AM PDT by eyespysomething ("Old Hippies" re-living their activist youth - the first time nostalgia had a body count attached.)
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To: freepatriot32; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; calcowgirl; B4Ranch

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11 posted on 08/02/2005 11:35:59 AM PDT by FOG724
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To: mmercier; eyespysomething

Communism is dead, huh?

Are you paying a progressive income tax?

The Cold War is far from over. Some of us are still fighting it, while others turn a blind eye mistakenly believing the fight was against the Soviet Union. Communists have infiltrated every level of our bureaucracies. Communists preach to our children every day while they sit in a classroom. There are numerous communists passing (or at least attempting to pass) laws in our state and federal governments.

When the Berlin wall fell it released like a tsunami a wave of communism that swept over Europe and engulfed it. The waves on our own shores are getting pretty high.

America is the Last Beach.

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=954


12 posted on 08/02/2005 12:01:35 PM PDT by SittinYonder (America is the Last Beach)
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To: eyespysomething
You are ignorant or blind, my friend.

COMMUNISM IS AN IDEOLOGY. IT IS ALIVE AND SPREADING TODAY!

13 posted on 08/02/2005 12:27:16 PM PDT by blueberry12
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To: blueberry12

I was pointing out what someone else said.


14 posted on 08/02/2005 12:28:31 PM PDT by eyespysomething ("Old Hippies" re-living their activist youth - the first time nostalgia had a body count attached.)
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To: eyespysomething

Oh, I thought you repeated it because you agreed with it.


15 posted on 08/02/2005 12:29:55 PM PDT by blueberry12
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To: blueberry12

I was pointing it out to SittinYonder because I thought it was an absurd question. I see you agree with me, lol.


16 posted on 08/02/2005 12:32:16 PM PDT by eyespysomething ("Old Hippies" re-living their activist youth - the first time nostalgia had a body count attached.)
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To: eyespysomething
If China and Russia get together, then so what.

Two third world forces loaded with cannon fodder and 1970's technology...

In the first gulf war we took out 4,000 soviet built talks with the loss of 10 M1's.

Their joint exercises will probably cost them more casualties via accident and miscommunication than we lost in both gulf wars, if it does not end up in outright combat between the new "allies". Talk about pie in the sky, Russia made one of these type alliances in the past and they ended up with 25 million dead and brigades of Schutzstaffel 20 miles from Moscow.

Soviet and Chicom military is chit compared to our force, their only strength lies in our fear.
17 posted on 08/02/2005 12:54:01 PM PDT by mmercier (swimming against the tide of history)
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To: mmercier

Look, you just keep telling yourself China isn't a threat or a problem, nor Russia. They're our friends, and the military build-up underway is to help protect us from ourselves.

Also, I'm not scared of them, but I'm also not blind to them.


18 posted on 08/02/2005 1:13:29 PM PDT by eyespysomething ("Old Hippies" re-living their activist youth - the first time nostalgia had a body count attached.)
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To: eyespysomething
They are not our friends, never have been and likely never will be.

They are also in no way our equals militarily.

If you want to help protect us from ourselves, then get active, as our military budget is yearly being transformed from armament and personnel into social security and Medicare.

We are at risk in 20 years, when we will have about the same military capacity as Denmark, given our other needs.
19 posted on 08/02/2005 1:31:02 PM PDT by mmercier (they that are delivered from the noise of archers)
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I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

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20 posted on 08/02/2005 1:55:48 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (I WONDERED WHY THE FRISBEE WAS GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER... THEN IT HIT ME)
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To: freepatriot32

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21 posted on 08/02/2005 2:55:27 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: mmercier
Communism is dead today

You don't believe in borders and you claim communism is dead.

I invite you to visit our California high schools. I know for a fact that the PTSA president gleefully declared himself a communist in his acceptance speech at one high school
22 posted on 08/02/2005 3:58:27 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: blueberry12

I agree with pretty much everything except some portions of number 6.

To say this is alarmist nonsense is to keep one's head buried in the sand. Americans need to take back our country from a bloated, centralized, overbearing, wasteful, arrogant, confiscatory (the adjectives could go on and on) federal government. Our government penalizes the productive while rewarding the lazy and ridicules virtue while encouraging license. It is truly out of control.


23 posted on 08/02/2005 6:26:15 PM PDT by Jeff Blogworthy
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To: blueberry12

They call themselves "progressives" now. (actually, that is an old term from Nazi Germany and Communists.)


24 posted on 08/02/2005 6:31:20 PM PDT by ladyinred (Here come the judges!)
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To: SittinYonder
>> Communism is dead, huh?

As a viable governing structure, yes.

I am from Massachusetts, the last bastion of Communism. The fact that communist individuals exist does not mean that the country is about to be over run by them.

Pagans still exist, no one is worried about them taking over...

They are like the heads and hippies, they are being dissolved into the greater culture, and are nothing more than a quaint novelty to the average person.

I agree the government sux, and intends to eat out the entire substance of the republic, but this mentality was around a thousand years before Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.

All governments are roving bands of thieves that stopped roving. Nothing more and nothing less. Communism is not a factor, thievery and the desire to live good via coercion of those who produce wealth and value is.
25 posted on 08/02/2005 8:29:13 PM PDT by mmercier (they that are delivered from the noise of archers)
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To: mmercier

communism is far from dead. It is closer than you think. The fine line keeping it from becoming the law is the 2nd Amendment.
Watch the mouse trap in the cookie jar. They are counting on sheeple who think like you that will let it happen and then say duhhhhhhhhhhhhh HOW DID IT HAPPEN???


26 posted on 08/02/2005 9:45:58 PM PDT by o_zarkman44
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To: mmercier

>>>Communism is dead today, and I never got to actually kill one.

CPUSA.org is dead? Great news!


27 posted on 08/02/2005 9:49:08 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: blueberry12
...and of course Executive order 11000

Of course...

28 posted on 08/02/2005 9:56:22 PM PDT by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: mmercier

If you look at the antics of the demoncraps, it's exactly what they are trying to accomplish.


29 posted on 08/02/2005 10:03:26 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: stumpy
>> If you look at the antics of the demoncraps, it's exactly what they are trying to accomplish.

Of course they are, so what. They have been at this for decades to no avail.

I have a neighborhood kid who thinks he can conjure satan using Aliester Crowley's old books.

Both have an equal chance of success, and both will eat $hit before their end.

The only power these nitwits have is the fear they can inspire in others. The worst thing that can happen to them is to be ignored.
30 posted on 08/03/2005 8:56:19 AM PDT by mmercier
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To: blueberry12
ARE Americans practicing Communism?

One could think so, when of the frame of mind to compare our inevitable creep and argument about 'regulation of good intention' to actual oppression. But I have a feeling those who have suffered ~actual~ communism would slap you for suggesting our spoiled, rich country isn't the most livable free country to ever exist on the planet. So it's all relative.

31 posted on 08/03/2005 9:02:40 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: blueberry12

Call me a commie, but I think the Fed is a good thing. Keeping money supply stable is a national security issue and its one of those things I don't mind the government doing.


32 posted on 08/03/2005 9:06:53 AM PDT by stacytec
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To: stacytec
I think the Fed is a good thing. Keeping money supply stable is a national security issue and its one of those things I don't mind the government doing.

Actually, the government is not keeping the money supply stable. The Fed is constantly diluting the money supply by printing more money thus driving the value of US dollar down. This is the reason for inflation.

In other words, the money in your pocket shrinks. But the question is where does the value go? It cannot just evaporate. And the answer is it doesn't; it goes back to the Fed.

People think that the amount of money they pay in taxes is what the government takes from them. But actually the government takes much more than the taxes. The people are made poor, and the government is made rich by inflation. A paper currency allows the government to take the people's riches away from them without taxing them!

I wish we would have gold coins in America. In that case, we would not need the Fed. And we would not have inflation either!

I recommend that you read this book: What Has Government Done to Our Money? by Murray N. Rothbard.

33 posted on 08/03/2005 12:13:28 PM PDT by blueberry12
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To: blueberry12

The Fed controls the supply of money via reserve ratios, discount rates and notes in the open market. The currency isn't printed out on the whim of the fed, currency is supplied to depository institutions to meet their demand. The real money creation happens at individual banks when loans are made, most of the time people never see the green( especially these days with ACH and such). The Federal Reserve orders new currency from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing to replace dated notes or to fill the request of depository institutions for more cash. The Fed can't introduce more currency into the supply than banks can demand, so I have difficulty believing that the fed is just cranking out cash and flooding the system. In addition , both Keynsian and Supply Side models show that an economy with an increased supply of money (assuming the printing presses just cranking out) would cause demand-pull hyperinflation , something thats been blissfully lacking in my life. I'm a big fan of the fiat system as it currently exists, I was never a fan of standard-based currency as the value was determined by the market of the standard. As long as a fiat system can secure money supply, the value can be maintained. Heck I'm hoping for the day when cash becomes antiquated and no longer used. I hate having cash on me - feel like someone should just put a big "mug me" sign on my back.

But I'll check your book out anyway, I always like diffent perspetives on a topic.


34 posted on 08/03/2005 4:53:49 PM PDT by stacytec
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