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Feds Says Chicago Carpenter Helped Nazis
AP ^ | 8/2/05 | Mike Robinson

Posted on 08/02/2005 8:25:26 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

An aging Chicago carpenter should be stripped of his U.S. citizenship because he was a member of a police unit that helped the Nazis round up Ukrainian Jews for forced labor and death camps during World War II, federal attorneys argue.

"He acquiesced in conduct contrary to civilization and decency," government attorney Gregory Gordon told U.S. District Judge Samuel Der-Yeghiayan as a civil trial against Osyp Firishchak began Monday.

Firishchak, 86, came to the United States after World War II, settled in Chicago and obtained American citizenship. But the Justice Department's Nazi-hunting Office of Special Investigations says he lied on his visa application and broke other rules.

The government says he joined the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police and helped in widespread roundups of Jews who were sent to forced labor camps and death camps after the Germans occupied Ukraine in 1941.

If Der-Yeghiayan rules against him, Firishchak would be stripped of his citizenship. The government then likely would seek to deport him.

Defense attorney James Maher III told the judge that Firishchak was never a member of the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police and that there is no proof he did any of the things the government claims. Maher also said there is nothing to suggest Firishchak was dishonest on his visa application.

The government's first witness, Holocaust researcher Dieter Pohl, described what happened to the Jewish population in the city of Lviv at the hands of the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police.

"There was constant violence against the Jews," Pohl said.

Firishchak's name of surfaced after the fall of the Soviet Union when the newly independent Ukraine opened its archives to Holocaust researchers.

Government attorneys acknowledged they have only a smattering of direct evidence that specific acts allegedly were committed by Firishchak. But they say they can prove he was part of the auxiliary police throughout the war and that the unit was instrumental in carrying out the Holocaust in Ukraine.


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Hunting our troops also
1 posted on 08/02/2005 8:25:26 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I wonder if he knows the Pope (ducks and runs)


2 posted on 08/02/2005 8:26:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What should we be more concerned about:

That 80 year-old former German soldiers are living in the United states, or;

3 posted on 08/02/2005 8:28:48 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Maybe they'll start looking for Muslim terrorists when they rid us of the Nazi threat. Then maybe not.


4 posted on 08/02/2005 8:29:01 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: nonliberal

Or that the worst parts of the Nazi regime ended up in the Democratic Party Platform?


5 posted on 08/02/2005 8:30:19 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: FreePaul
Maybe they'll start looking for Muslim terrorists when they rid us of the Nazi threat. Then maybe not.

Nope. After the Nazis, they'll go after North Koreans from the 50's, then Viet Cong, then..what, Granadians, Panamaians, Bosnians? Your tax dollars at work and play for the sake of political correctness.

6 posted on 08/02/2005 8:32:14 AM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"I hate Illinois Nazis!"


7 posted on 08/02/2005 8:33:13 AM PDT by inkling
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To: nonliberal
>>>>>>That 80 year-old former German soldiers are living in the United states, or;

Correction: this desperado is 86. This is obviously a political matter. Ordinary prosecutors do not waste their time going after 86 year olds.

8 posted on 08/02/2005 8:35:25 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

Oh please. Death to Nazi Scum, even if they are in their 80s.


9 posted on 08/02/2005 8:37:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
How does going after this guy square with AG Gonzalez's refusal to do anything about Mark "Deep Throat" Felt because it happened "a long time ago?"

Then again, when the government's concerned, consistency isn't important.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

10 posted on 08/02/2005 8:38:08 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
Your tax dollars at work and play for the sake of political correctness.

"The government says he joined the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police and helped in widespread roundups of Jews who were sent to forced labor camps and death camps after the Germans occupied Ukraine in 1941."

Enough already with the Jews whining about being sent to death camps. Leave this poor old man alone.
11 posted on 08/02/2005 9:01:29 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Der-Yeghiayan

Anyone here know what kind of name that is? I couldn't even begin to speculate. We didn't have any Der-Yeghiayans in the neighborhood when I was growing up.

12 posted on 08/02/2005 9:03:13 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Sounds kinda Armenian...


13 posted on 08/02/2005 9:17:36 AM PDT by Kurt_D
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To: Kurt_D
Sounds kinda Armenian...

They usually end in 'ian' rather than 'yan', but it is possible. I don't think I've ever seen one hang a 'der' out front, either.

14 posted on 08/02/2005 9:33:34 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
Anyone here know what kind of name that is?

His bio indicates Syrian.

15 posted on 08/02/2005 9:43:30 AM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: PAR35
His bio indicates Syrian.

OOPS. Born in Syria. Armenian ancestry.

16 posted on 08/02/2005 9:50:13 AM PDT by sistergoldenhair
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To: Thorin
Lies on the visa application?

Drop-kick his sorry ass out of the country. I don't care if he's 86 or 986.

17 posted on 08/02/2005 10:06:46 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
But the Justice Department's Nazi-hunting Office of Special Investigations says he lied on his visa application and broke other rules.

Too bad Osyp Firishchak wasn't a murdering Mexican illegal, or a murdering Mariel-boatlift refugee - the government would turn a blind eye...

18 posted on 08/02/2005 10:35:55 AM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: sistergoldenhair

Thanks. The 'y' was throwing me.


19 posted on 08/02/2005 10:38:12 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: steve-b
>>>>>>Lies on the visa application?

>>>>>>>Drop-kick his sorry ass out of the country. I don't care if he's 86 or 986.

Are you joking? You really think the US Government--which allows hundreds of thousands of people to cross our border and stay each year, and is trying to figure out ways to invite more--is after this guy because of an immigration violation?

He is being targeted because the government suspects that he may have been a policeman in the Ukraine in WW II. If he had lied about anything else, he would be left alone, the way prosecutors routinely ignore 86 year olds whose crimes, if any, occurred over 50 years ago.

Such prosecutions represent revenge for the Holocaust. Unfortunately, almost all of those worthy of getting revenge on--the Hitlers, Himmlers, and Eichmans, less known men guilty of genuine war crimes--are long since dead. So 86 year olds (who are probably guilty of nothing more than getting caught up in a war that devastated their country, killing millions of Ukrainians) pay the price, as do their children and grandchildren who were born in this country. This isn't justice; it's a mockery of justice.

20 posted on 08/02/2005 10:50:55 AM PDT by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Thorin
Are you joking?

Of course not. I believe in the rule of law.

21 posted on 08/02/2005 11:08:30 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

If true then slam him.


22 posted on 08/02/2005 12:46:18 PM PDT by wingnutx (Seabees Can Do!)
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To: Thorin

I wonder how many former NKVD killers we have wandering around the United States.


23 posted on 08/03/2005 6:47:42 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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