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More Dieters Ditch Carb Counts (AP)
AP ^ | Aug 2, 2005 | AP staff

Posted on 08/03/2005 7:10:46 AM PDT by summer

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- More dieters are ditching carb counts and biting into baguettes with gusto these days. ...

This week's bankruptcy filing by the late Dr. Robert C. Atkins' old company provide fresh evidence of the low-carb diet's demise, a downward spiral that began early last year. But no single new diet has filled the void.

Observers say the only sure thing -- given the boom-and-bust nature of weight-loss trends -- is that something will pop up eventually.

''There isn't one single strong contender,'' said Anne M. Russell, editor-in-chief of Shape magazine. ''If you look at what the single largest trend is, it's weight gain.''

Chapter 11 filings by Atkins Nutritionals Inc. on Monday came about a year and a half after books like ''The Atkins Essentials'' rode the best seller charts, bread makers were back on their heels and Burger King introduced a Whopper without a bun.

But Atkins has been in decline since February 2004, said Harry Balzer, a food industry analyst at market researcher NPD Group. Balzer claims Atkins was one of those demanding diets that simply ran its course, going from fad to fade like so many others before it, including the Scarsdale and the cabbage soup diets.

How far and how fast did Atkins fall? By September 2004, surplus low-carb products were being shipped to food banks in Appalachia....


Ruth Kava, director of nutrition for the American Council on Science and Health, figures it might be something like a high-protein diet.

''Somebody will come up with something new,'' she said. ''There's a lot of creativity out there in Diet World."

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On the Net:

Government dietary guidelines: mypyramid.com

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atkins; atkinsdiet; carbs
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I wasn't surprised Atkins filed for bankruptcy, but it always amazed me how long the popularity of his diet lasted. It was so damaging to the body.
1 posted on 08/03/2005 7:10:47 AM PDT by summer
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To: All
Also, check out the new food pyramid design:


2 posted on 08/03/2005 7:12:45 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer
calories burned > calories consumed = weight loss.

Everything else is just fluff.

3 posted on 08/03/2005 7:12:58 AM PDT by T.Smith
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To: T.Smith

Yes, but there are still a million ways to package that message in the eyes of creative marketers! :)


4 posted on 08/03/2005 7:13:35 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer

Damaging to the body how?
I think it failed because it is difficult, in American culture to deny yourself anything. Most Americans have been raised on a diet high in simple carbs (sugar and refined grains) and they are surrounded by it constantly. It's difficult to say no when everyone around you is eating the foods you love.
I predict there will not be any diet that the average American can stay on for the long haul. We (collectivly) are doomed to be fatter and fatter until someone invents a simple pill that dissolves fat, or something happens to make food less easily procured and exercise required (I don't mean by government regulation but in order to survive).
susie (yes, low carber since 1997)


5 posted on 08/03/2005 7:15:32 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: T.Smith
Everything else is just fluff.

Mmmmmm fluff.

6 posted on 08/03/2005 7:17:04 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: brytlea

Because it was eliminating foods your body needs and causing chemical changes in your body. It was a terrible diet. I can't believe that guy was a doctor. Though I noticed he was reportedly quite heavy at the time of his recent death.


7 posted on 08/03/2005 7:17:11 AM PDT by summer
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To: summer

Any diet that doesn't allow satisfying amounts of wine or beer is doomed to failure.


8 posted on 08/03/2005 7:17:30 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: summer

How exactly is it damaging to the body? Do you have proof of this, other than second or third hand rumor and gossip?

Weight lifters have used lo-carb for years. They use it to treat epiliptic kids. They treat diabetics with it.

How is it unhealthy?

I eat fresh meat, poultry, fish, vegetables, and cheese. How is this unhealthy?

I'm in thebest shape of my life. How has eating this way damaged my health? My doctor gives me flying colors when I have a physical.

How is lo-carbing "so damaging"?


9 posted on 08/03/2005 7:18:05 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: summer
Well the government's new food pyramid has made me lose weight. In the wallet that is.
10 posted on 08/03/2005 7:18:46 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: T.Smith

"calories burned > calories consumed = weight loss."

True, but the types of food you eat can affect your metabolism which affects your calorie burning potential.

We all react differently to different foods...no one diet is good for everyone. When I cut back carbs I lose weight, feel better, sleep better, and don't get heartburn. With others, it may be the fat that is the culprit.

Atkins was too rigid and extreme though.


11 posted on 08/03/2005 7:18:51 AM PDT by fizziwig
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To: brytlea

You are right-Atkins works!!! It hasn't failed, the business managers failed. I don't even understand how their bankruptcy has foddered these "no carb craze" discussions. What does one have to do with the other? That's like saying b/c Enron failed, energy doesn't work.


12 posted on 08/03/2005 7:19:49 AM PDT by clarissaexplainsitall (stewed tomatoes are just plain gross)
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To: summer

Have you read the book?


13 posted on 08/03/2005 7:20:10 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: hispanarepublicana

Ahh, but you can have as much of the clear spirits as you like. Gin, scotch, vodka, light rum. My sister calls this the "Gin Loophole"! And white wine has half the carbs as red.


14 posted on 08/03/2005 7:20:47 AM PDT by clarissaexplainsitall (stewed tomatoes are just plain gross)
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To: rhombus

Speaking of fluff, my college roommate had the most horrid dietary habits. We were raised on fresh or home-canned ruits & vegetables, we never had sodas in the house, rarely ate out and everything was cooked from scratch with very little frying, so you can imagine my shock when I walked in one day and she had spooned an entire jar of marshmallow fluff into a bowl, mixed it with pecans, microwaved it, and was eating it with a spoon.


15 posted on 08/03/2005 7:20:59 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: ByDesign

It should be "moderate carbs" not "low carbs." Everything in moderation, the problem is the typical diet is extremely high in carbs. Just get carb intake down to a moderate level, but many took it as eliminating carbs altogether, which is ridiculous.


16 posted on 08/03/2005 7:21:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: summer

You should know that people who are diabetic MUST eat a low carb diet or it IS detrimental to their health.


17 posted on 08/03/2005 7:21:39 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Get over yourselves!)
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To: summer

1. The atkins diet is not damaging to the body, read the book, stop being a dumb ass. If you follow the instructions in the book the diet is far safer than the low fat diet, which will pack on the pounds, and leave you hungry.

2. No where does the article reference any data showing the popularity of the diet has wanned only that the company filed chapter 11. That would be like saying because Chrysler filed chapter 11 the popularity of the automobile is decreasing.


18 posted on 08/03/2005 7:21:47 AM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: summer
I always thought Atkins was an absurdity...but it did have one good side effect: it made life easier for those of us with diabetes.

Before, all carbohydrate info-at-a-glance packaging could only be found in the painfully small diabetic foods subsection of one aisle. Now it's everywhere!   :o)

19 posted on 08/03/2005 7:22:18 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, yesterday's deviants are today's "alternate lifestyles.")
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To: summer

1. Stupid article.

2. Wrong.

3. Ditto for your comment.

Dan (2 years + on Atkins, very healthy and happy)


20 posted on 08/03/2005 7:22:20 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: T.Smith

calories burned > calories consumed = weight loss.
Everything else is just fluff.

lo-carb **is** a calorie reduction diet/lifestyle. If you watch your calories lo-carbing, you eat less calries, because you stay "full" longer. Eating proteins and fats satisfies your hunger a lot longer than eating carbs.

You can't change the laws of thermodynamics. Lo-carb is not a "magic bullet", it incorporates many of the things that any diet needs to have success in losing weight: calorie reduction, portion control, and avoiding certain foods. It also helps those with abused insulin response systems to take control back from the sugar spikes.

And Atkins himself pushed for daily exercise, the other part of the equation. Just eating lo-carb won't do it, you have to move your butt, too.


21 posted on 08/03/2005 7:22:48 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: dfwgator

It is only in the first two weeks of Atkins where one avoids all carbs. After that, they are reintroduced until you find your "critical carb level". It makes sense. You come to find how many carbs you can have w/out gaining weight.


22 posted on 08/03/2005 7:23:07 AM PDT by clarissaexplainsitall (stewed tomatoes are just plain gross)
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To: summer
The problem wasn't with "Carb Counting" of Atkins' products, as AP suggests, it was with the companies who were making them and promoting them. I personally looked every where for them and could never find them or in very, very limited supplies.

Major health food shops, i.e. Wild Oats, Whole Foods, didn't carry them and my local grocery store with a large "health foods" section, carried a very limited supply.

Now with South Beach going "over-the-counter" with ready-to-eat products made mostly by Kraft, they are including such things as "High fructose corn syryp", which is a very major no-no, so I won't purchase any more - period!

23 posted on 08/03/2005 7:24:17 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: summer
The problem wasn't with "Carb Counting" of Atkins' products, as AP suggests, it was with the companies who were making them and promoting them. I personally looked every where for them and could never find them or in very, very limited supplies.

Major health food shops, i.e. Wild Oats, Whole Foods, didn't carry them and my local grocery store with a large "health foods" section, carried a very limited supply.

Now with South Beach going "over-the-counter" with ready-to-eat products made mostly by Kraft, they are including such things as "High fructose corn syryp", which is a very major no-no, so I won't purchase any more - period!

24 posted on 08/03/2005 7:24:21 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: summer
The problem wasn't with "Carb Counting" of Atkins' products, as AP suggests, it was with the companies who were making them and promoting them. I personally looked every where for them and could never find them or in very, very limited supplies.

Major health food shops, i.e. Wild Oats, Whole Foods, didn't carry them and my local grocery store with a large "health foods" section, carried a very limited supply.

Now with South Beach going "over-the-counter" with ready-to-eat products made mostly by Kraft, they are including such things as "High fructose corn syryp", which is a very major no-no, so I won't purchase any more - period!

25 posted on 08/03/2005 7:24:26 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: hispanarepublicana
you can imagine my shock when I walked in one day and she had spooned an entire jar of marshmallow fluff into a bowl, mixed it with pecans, microwaved it, and was eating it with a spoon.

MMmmmmmmm...sugary goodness in my veins!

Nyack. That stuff would have a narcotic effect on me. *shudder*

26 posted on 08/03/2005 7:24:33 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, yesterday's deviants are today's "alternate lifestyles.")
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To: clarissaexplainsitall

Yeah, I also think part of the problem is that there are alot of other companies out there peddling low carb stuff too. The low carb *craze* was a real boon to people like me who were tired of having to make everything from scratch!
I also read that the guy who sued Atkins for his heart attack is funded by an animal rights org. This surprises me not at all. I personally think the AR orgs hate this diet because we eat animals and the govt doesn't like it much because it's not a cheap way to feed lots and lots of people.
susie


27 posted on 08/03/2005 7:25:34 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: summer

I'm not dead. Interesting. Wait...maybe I am! No....I just need more coffee....
susie


28 posted on 08/03/2005 7:26:10 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Low car wine is not bad. Very dry. You can also mix it with diet sprite for a decent spritzer...
susie


29 posted on 08/03/2005 7:26:40 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: summer

May I suggest the South Beach Diet. My loss has been 30 lbs in less than 11 weeks. It is not really much different than the old Weight Watchers, except that you don't have to obsess over weighing, measuring, exchanges, and points. And it allows enough carbs to keep the elimination system functioning. After the first 2 weeks, it is easy to follow, and you can order off of most restaurant menues. I feel great.


30 posted on 08/03/2005 7:27:16 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: brytlea
I think it failed because it is difficult, in American culture to deny yourself anything.

Right! I've lost weight very effectively by watching carbs (basically, lots of salad, avoiding bread, cake, potatoes), but I've also gained it back by returning to my preferred, almond-torte-rich diet.

31 posted on 08/03/2005 7:27:30 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: summer

Because it was eliminating foods your body needs and causing chemical changes in your body. It was a terrible diet. I can't believe that guy was a doctor. Though I noticed he was reportedly quite heavy at the time of his recent death.

Nonsense and poppycock.

My body does not NEED sugar or refined white flour. Period. Any nutrients I lack I can easily replace with a trip to GNC or any vitamin shelf.

**EVERYTHING** makes chemical changes in your body. When your body STOPS making chemical changes, then you need to worry, because then you're dead.

Beyond that, you should do some research, and find out what "insulin resistance" is, and how an abused body reacts to carbs, and how it's a vicious cycle, and how lo-carb helps break that cycle. Diabetics know all about it, or should.

Atkins died from a fall, and hitting his head. His lifestyle did not kill him.


32 posted on 08/03/2005 7:27:48 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: summer
It was so damaging to the body.

So is obesity.

33 posted on 08/03/2005 7:28:19 AM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"- Harry M. Warner, Warner Bros., 1927)
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To: dfwgator

You really can't eliminate carbs altogether for very long. I've tried and it's just not possible. But Atkins does not eliminate carbs altogether anyway, so it's a moot point.
susie


34 posted on 08/03/2005 7:29:12 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: summer
I've got the PERFECT new diet to fill the void! It's completely revolutionary, and I think it might just make the diet market as we know it crumble to its knees...

...you ready for this...?

It's called...

The EAT LESS, EXERCISE MORE Diet. It's SO revolutionary that even the cavemen might've used it once. I'm telling you, once people catch on, they're going to wonder what they were worrying about all these years.

Please, tell your family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, kids, kid's friends, kid's friends parents, teachers, doctors, lawyers, cops and criminals... it's the new diet REVOLUTION... YEAAHAHHHHHHHHHHH

/Dean

And given the fact that people were dumb enough to go the Atkins route, I'll just start by saying that people need to put down the remotes and the keyboards and read more books. Nutrition and exercise books and magazines are prolific. I recommend Men's Health for the guys out there. I've been a subscriber since college, and I've lost a significant amount of weight thanks to their nutrition and exercise tips.

35 posted on 08/03/2005 7:29:12 AM PDT by rarestia
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To: summer

I'm not sure where you got the idea that it's horrible for the body. When I went to high protein, very low carb, cut out sugars and white flour, my cardiologist was and is absolutely delighted with my blood work, my weight loss, my over all general good health now.


36 posted on 08/03/2005 7:29:13 AM PDT by WeddingPlanner
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To: summer
First, the Atkins diet is still as popular as it ever was. The Atkins products (candy bars, drinks which was very over priced) is what went bankrupt. People who have read and followed the Atkins diet plan knows it is one of the best ways to lose weight and maintain weight control. This post is very misleading and it sucks.
37 posted on 08/03/2005 7:30:27 AM PDT by kempo
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To: T.Smith
calories burned > calories consumed = weight loss. Everything else is just fluff.

That's true to a point. The body can only handle so many carbs in a short period of time. It has to convert the extra to fat. So in reality it's not so much how many calories in a day you consume, it's how dense those calories are in a short period of time. And many high processed, high density carb foods simply overwhelm the body's capacity to process sugars. Then even worse, if you don't eat for a period of time afterward, the metabolism slows down to the point where it will conserve the fat. The best way to lose weight is to basically "graze" during the day. Eat small meals every few hours. Keeps your metabolism constant and gives the body time to process the calories without overwhelming it.

38 posted on 08/03/2005 7:31:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ByDesign

My internist says it is her way of life. She has been living on Atkins for years. I tried but I was ready to "kill" for a piece of bread in less than a week. I was even dreaming about bread. Funny thing is I only eat one slice of toast for breakfast and seldom eat any more for the day. Without my breakfast toast I was a desperate woman.


39 posted on 08/03/2005 7:31:36 AM PDT by kalee
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To: T.Smith
calories burned > calories consumed = weight loss. Everything else is just fluff.

Lemmie see if I can correct this...

(calories burned + calories expelled) > calories consumed = weight loss. Now that is more like it.

40 posted on 08/03/2005 7:31:36 AM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"- Harry M. Warner, Warner Bros., 1927)
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To: ByDesign

Actually, just eating low carb CAN do it. I'm proof. Certainly exercise is good for you (I'm an ex aerobics instructor, so I'm all about exercise). But when I went on it in about 1997, I lost about 40 lbs without doing any exercise (other than walking around that you normally do in a day--and I wasn't working, so it wasn't that much, believe me).
susie


41 posted on 08/03/2005 7:31:51 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: summer

Dieters haven't ditched low carb, they've ditched the high priced Atkins products. Actually, the idea behind the diet was changed after Dr. Atkins died and the company was more concerned with making $$ rather than promoting the doctor's ideas. The book versions after his death were also going out in left field from his original diet. It's certainly not surprising the media and the uninformed public can't/won't distinquish between the company and the diet.

I can't believe people still think it's all about eating bacon piled high with butter three times a day. The only foods the "original" Atkins restricted was the same as what your greatgrandmother knew in her time - don't eat white foods (sugar, starch, and breads).


42 posted on 08/03/2005 7:32:17 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: clarissaexplainsitall

Atkins Nutritionals Inc. failed because of increased competition. Today, there is a plethora of carb conscious products out there and the Atkins stuff is on the expensive end of the scale. They lost their virtual monopoly and weren't able to respond well.


43 posted on 08/03/2005 7:32:38 AM PDT by Cooter
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To: summer

What do you mean? The Atkins diet has been around for over 30 years, so it can hardly be called a fad diet. And what evidence do you have that it's damaging to the body?

Personally, I have never tried the Atkins diet. I believe in the "everything in moderation" philosophy. Too much of anything can be bad, but there is no denying that a low-carb, low-sugar diet is healthy. I prefer to look at it as a more all-natural diet--that is, staying away from processed ingredients like high-fructose corn syrups, artificial sweeteners, hydrogenated oils, etc.


44 posted on 08/03/2005 7:32:51 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: fizziwig
Diets almost always fail. It doesn't matter what kind they are.

People overeat and under-exercise because that is the easier way to live. Sloth and gluttony are two of the seven deadly sins for a reason.

People KNOW this.
They really want to continue to overeat and under-exercise so they look for an easy way out.

Diets offer the promise of an easier way out.
Pills, drinks, magic candy bars, special exercise equipment.....they ALL offer the promise of instant, er, well, "3-week" promise of a better something or other.
People want the MAGIC PILL.

The only way to get fit and lose fat is to stop thinking in terms of WEIGHT and LOOKS.
It's just too simple -- EAT LESS and EXERCISE MORE.

Way too simple.

45 posted on 08/03/2005 7:33:01 AM PDT by starfish923
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To: kempo

The problem for me is, Atkins bars are the best!

I haven't found anything nearly as good as the chocolate PB bar -- must others are like chewing hardened Play-Do or clay. Ditto S'Mores, and their new granola bars. And believe me, I've looked!

Dan
)c8


46 posted on 08/03/2005 7:33:02 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: summer

I agree. It was not a diet that could be sustained, and if people did sustain, it was so unbalanced it would lead to all manner of health problems.

The solution, which I am working on, is eating less, less fats and refined sugars, no artifical or pre-prepared foods, never any sodas and few if any desserts, and exercise more.

It also helps greatly to never eat at night (like after dark), and there are certain herbs which help with fat metabolism. And I DON'T mean Herbalife.


47 posted on 08/03/2005 7:34:34 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: ByDesign; All
Good grief; I can't believe there are people on this forum defending the Atkins Plan - it was HORRIBLE! Yes, I read the book.

If you google "Atkins" AND "Dangerous" you get OVER 362,000 (three hundred sixty-two thousand) entires that pop up. So, take your pick as to which "DANGEROUS" article you like best!

CNN.com - Group says Atkins diet dangerous - Nov. 20, 2003 A nutrition advocacy group said Thursday the popular Atkins diet has caused heart disease and could have killed a teen-age dieter and urged the government ... www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/ diet.fitness/11/20/diet.heart.reut/ - 45k - Cached - Similar pages

Atkins Diet Dangerous Make Way for the Atkins Diet! Danger Ahead? "Diets with a very low carbohydrate and therefore high fat content are advertised to the public, ... www.healthbulletin.org/weight_loss/weight18.htm - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

Atkins Facts - Atkins Diet 'Dangerous' Exposing the unhealthy truth about low carb diets. www.atkinsexposed.org/ atkins/64/Atkins_Diet_Dangerous.htm - 45k - Cached - Similar pages

Atkins diet dangerous for kids, says top child nutritionist A top child nutrition specialist has said that children should avoid the Atkins diet. www.medicalnewstoday.com/index.php?newsid=5971 - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

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48 posted on 08/03/2005 7:34:39 AM PDT by summer
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To: ByDesign; summer

Gotta agree with ByDesign. Many people failed on Atkins because they didn't understand or follow the long-term program. They stuck to the initial elimination portion of the diet and predictably got bored.

The Atkins diet was a quite reasonable one, incorporating carbs - good ones - into the diet over time on a regular basis. The main thing over the long term was to eat better, and less of everything. And, get exercise. Nothing wrong with all that.


49 posted on 08/03/2005 7:34:46 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: Shalom Israel
Right! I've lost weight very effectively by watching carbs (basically, lots of salad, avoiding bread, cake, potatoes), but I've also gained it back by returning to my preferred, almond-torte-rich diet.

Been there done that. I have fallen off the wagon several times (usually around the holidays when the kids are home and temptations abound!) In addition to gaining weight, I feel like something I think I can't post here when I do that! And low fat diets make me feel awful too.

susie
50 posted on 08/03/2005 7:35:08 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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