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9-1-1 tapes released in baby car death
KCBD-TV, Lubbock, TX ^ | August 4, 2005

Posted on 08/04/2005 7:05:52 PM PDT by WestTexasWend

The death of a 1-year-old boy is prompting a local day care to change its policy. Madison's Place Daycare will now call every parent if a child is not dropped off by 10 a.m. The change comes immediately after a Lubbock mother forgot to drop her toddler off at day-care. By the time she remembered, he was dead.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: emergency911
I posted the story earlier today...here's more.
1 posted on 08/04/2005 7:05:52 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: WestTexasWend

arrest the mother for negligence. its the only way to deal with this. the burden should not be on the day care center. once the day care center does this, if this should happen again, the parent will now say "but, the day care center never called me. Its their fault.". its nuts.


2 posted on 08/04/2005 7:09:38 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: WestTexasWend
In this day of cell phones, a call ought to be made if the child is not there after 15 min. of the usual time.

Public schools in many areas call if a child has not appeared at school.

Parents must call if their child will be absent, there is no reason why this can't be done in day care as well.

It's not about blame, it's about saving babies.

3 posted on 08/04/2005 7:14:18 PM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: oceanview

when my children were in day care I called them if they weren't going to be there, it is not the responsibility of the day care to do what the parents should be capable of doing.


4 posted on 08/04/2005 7:15:43 PM PDT by Cudjo
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To: oceanview

Yeah, that'll teach her.


5 posted on 08/04/2005 7:15:58 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Get over yourselves!)
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To: WestTexasWend
These stories are always so tragic, but so frequent. This is the 3rd or 4th just in the last week or so.

Surely some creative engineer could devise -- a 2-part device. Part 1 would be placed with the baby, embedded in the carrier or somehow kept with the child; part 2 on the auto keychain. If the two parts are separated by more than X number of feet, the keychain part would sound an alarm.

Surely there is some invention method of curtailing these tragedies. Most are just due to oversight--people get too busy and forget.
6 posted on 08/04/2005 7:17:20 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: WestTexasWend

Would this happen if the kid were dropped off at grandma's? How about if the mom stayed home and watched her own kid?

If you are gonna attach blame (that's a bit if!) then don't blame the daycare.


7 posted on 08/04/2005 7:17:37 PM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: WestTexasWend

Well now I know where full-sized cars come from.


8 posted on 08/04/2005 7:20:03 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Trust but Verify

so you suggest she just walk away from this? In NY now, if you run over a cat or dog and don't stop to try and find the owner - its a crime now. but this mother should walk?


9 posted on 08/04/2005 7:21:20 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: TomGuy
Surely some creative engineer could devise -- a 2-part device ...

Already done; I had one and it worked great for keeping track of my kid while camping: Parent Pager.

(No, I don't own the company or stock.)

10 posted on 08/04/2005 7:26:26 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: oceanview

I agree that that the daycare changing their policy is going to leave them open for future lawsuits.

I don't agree that jail time serves any purpose, if that's what you're proposing.


11 posted on 08/04/2005 7:30:28 PM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: oceanview

A stiff jail sentence will do nothing.

Unless the mom has a proven track record of neglect, alcohol or drug abuse, etc., why wouldn't a community service sentence be appropriate?


12 posted on 08/04/2005 7:35:31 PM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: TomGuy

I'm sorry, how does one get too busy to forget you have a kid? It's called irresponsiblity.


13 posted on 08/04/2005 7:36:24 PM PDT by Vor Lady (O, ace, a, omen, etta, usi...)
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To: WestTexasWend
White says, "........it could happen to any of us.

NO, it couldn't. Speak the truth, harsh though it may be. This is infanticide disguised as utter, unbelievable stupidity, or it is utter, unbelievable stupidity.

And, if she's that stupid, do you want her driving a two ton hunk of metal down the street toward you? Or maybe when your kids are crossing the street? How about when they're taking your wife to the hospital in an ambulance - you want her in front of you on the road?

14 posted on 08/04/2005 7:43:39 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: linkinpunk

as long as she faces some review of the incident. I would question her, her co-workers, to see if they notice if she routinely puts anything in the rear seat like a purse or a briefcase - something that would have normally caused her to use the rear seat when exiting the car for work.


15 posted on 08/04/2005 7:45:29 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: ChildOfThe60s

< NO, it couldn't. Speak the truth, harsh though it may be. This is infanticide disguised as utter, unbelievable stupidity, or it is utter, unbelievable stupidity. >

There was a time when I would agree with you. But...

My nephew has NEVER taken the baby to day care. Two week ago his wife had an appointment and he had to take the baby to daycare on the way to work. He drives by it everyday. He just never has to stop in the morning. He has picked her up in the evening many times.

He drove right past the daycare and parked in his usual spot at work. He was just sitting down at his desk when a co-worker called and asked about the baby left in the car. He panicked and nearly fell down the steps running back to his car. When he got there a crowd had formed. Most everyone said they had had similar "scares".

We get into habits. He got out of the car and did not look back. His seats have high backs and you really have to look to see a car seat back there. However, his wife, because she's heard and read about all of these episodes of babies being forgotten, had left a message on his phone at the office the NIGHT before to ask if he had indeed dropped the baby off. She fully intended to call when she thought he had arrived there that morning too.


16 posted on 08/04/2005 8:07:17 PM PDT by GOP_Proud (...when the Iraqi soldiers stand up, we will stand down...GWB)
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To: WestTexasWend

I just HEARD the 911 call. Heartbreaking. I also heard something that I hope is true. The reporter said police told the TV station that the baby could have died within minutes, not hours. I hope he didn't suffer too long.


17 posted on 08/04/2005 8:07:34 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: GOP_Proud

Well, I'll not argue the point.


18 posted on 08/04/2005 8:15:56 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

There's a video link at the bottom of the photo boxes (just right of the story) on the KCBD page...the 911 audio is part of that video package.

Hard to listen to...even harder to imagine being any of the people connected with that call.


19 posted on 08/04/2005 8:22:11 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: WestTexasWend

I'm hearing that her husband is a professor.


20 posted on 08/04/2005 8:26:02 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: GOP_Proud

Your nephew is lucky. He also needs to focus more.


21 posted on 08/04/2005 9:06:03 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: WestTexasWend

Its time for a tough love law...The law states,you leave a baby in the car and it dies,you go to prison for manslaughter...At least a year..Bet you the baby deaths in the hot cars would slow to a crawl...


22 posted on 08/04/2005 9:36:23 PM PDT by fishbabe
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To: oceanview

Negligence at best. Throwing the mother in prison is not going to 'punish' her any more than the thought of having killed her own child will. It also will not serve as a deterrent. The crime here is that she forgot.


23 posted on 08/05/2005 4:10:00 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Get over yourselves!)
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To: OldFriend
Right at the moment, it's about saving children. And I agree with that. After all, if the child does not show up where it belongs(in this case day care), there could be any number of problems, including kidnapping.

However, once you put this obligation into law, the lawyers will twist it into a cause for monetary damages, not a simple safety backup procedure.

Sometimes parents make mistakes. Their children will suffer the consequences. Trying to obscure this fact of life turns the whole world into Hillary Rodham's village.

The world it a tough place for a child when the parents cannot/will not protect it. "The Village" cannot substitute for them.
24 posted on 08/05/2005 4:57:43 AM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: Cheburashka
Our public school makes it clear that the parent must call the school if their child will be absent. If the parent doesn't call, the school makes a call to the parent.

There were several attempted kidnappings at the school bus stops here and that is why the policy ws put in place. I agree with the policy.

25 posted on 08/05/2005 5:00:14 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: Cheburashka
Your argument reminds me of the objection to BABY SAFE drop off points for unwanted newborns.

The alternative is dead babies, in both cases.

26 posted on 08/05/2005 5:04:10 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: OldFriend

I agree with the policy too. But no legal liability.


27 posted on 08/05/2005 5:08:58 AM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: OldFriend

I have no objection to BABY SAFE drop off points.


28 posted on 08/05/2005 5:10:22 AM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: oceanview

NY has PETA lunatics influencing the writing of law.

The death of any human should be investigated.

But there is such a thing as an accident, where no one is actually at fault.


29 posted on 08/05/2005 5:14:43 AM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: Trust but Verify

Forgetting is not a crime. It is human error.


30 posted on 08/05/2005 5:19:34 AM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: fishbabe

If a horrible death and loss of one's child is not enough to slow these incidents... why on earth would a year in jail make people more responsible?

I'm agreeing with the people who are saying that putting car seats in the back seat, turned around, needs to be addressed. And I agree that a car seat in the front would go even further to stem the flow.


31 posted on 08/05/2005 5:29:39 AM PDT by myrabach
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To: Cheburashka

Precisely. Some people would like to make that a crime. We have all gotten wrapped up in our thoughts and done dangerous things 99.9% there is no harm. But the .1% when harm is done, it's usually great harm, as in this case. We have all driven in a preoccupied state and reached our destination almost by divine providence. I'm not casting stones at this poor mother.


32 posted on 08/05/2005 5:57:42 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Get over yourselves!)
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To: Cheburashka
There were many here who did object to safe drop off places for unwanted newborns.

In a perfect world parents would be responsible, until then we as a society must do all we can to protect life.

33 posted on 08/05/2005 6:11:28 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: OldFriend

Sorry but I don't think the daycare should be babysitting parents by calling them to make sure they haven't killed their kids every day.
Kids shouldn't be in daycare anyway. They should be home with one of their parents instead of these disgusting germ mills.


34 posted on 08/05/2005 6:15:40 AM PDT by RushCrush (The mediocre always throw stones at the brilliant.)
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To: RushCrush

Speaking of a perfect world, eh?


35 posted on 08/05/2005 6:18:24 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: OldFriend

Just because it doesn't happen, doesn't mean we can't hope for a perfect world!


36 posted on 08/05/2005 6:20:40 AM PDT by RushCrush (The mediocre always throw stones at the brilliant.)
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To: OldFriend
I understand your point. Except for "...must do all we can to protect life."

There are too many people who would take the "all" in your statement to ridiculous extremes.

I realize you are not one of them (you post at Free Republic).

There is a difference between trying to protect life and trying to make the world perfect by passing enough laws. And by filing enough lawsuits and collecting enough legal fees from lawsuit settlements.
37 posted on 08/05/2005 6:21:54 AM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: WestTexasWend; All

My heart goes out to this mother.

She will never recover from this.

I can't blame her: how many of us have never had one of those heart-stopping moments of realization that we'd forgotten to do something important and that it was too late to rememdy it?

I'm far from perfect and am just thankful that none of my "OMG, I forgot...!" moments cost the life of one of my children.


38 posted on 08/05/2005 6:30:46 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: Cheburashka
I didn't mean to suggest that any of these measures should be made into law. Not at all, but today's families are stressed to the breaking point. The general unease about terror and the media's endless doom and gloom carping adds to the stress level.

If the school makes a policy decision and the parents understand the reason for that policy I see no harm in that.

If a parent object, they can opt out in writing.

39 posted on 08/05/2005 6:32:54 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: TomGuy

Prosecute some of these parents to the fullest extent of the law and somehow I think other parents' memories will improve.


40 posted on 08/05/2005 6:34:38 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: oceanview

Last year in Philly they didn't prosecute the old guy that left his grand-daughter in the backseat while he went in for a haircut and to hang out with his buddies.

Basically after he dropped of the girl's mother and his wife he says he didn't know that the toddler was still with him because she slid out of the car seat and on to the floor in the backseat.

Mistakes happen. In our already overflowing prison system, we don't need to be sending parents to jail for a simple but costly mistake that was obvious not their intention.


41 posted on 08/05/2005 6:34:49 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: OldFriend

I agree with that.


42 posted on 08/05/2005 6:35:09 AM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: TomGuy
Surely some creative engineer could devise -- a 2-part device...

Personal responsibility is much less costly and easier to implement...achieving better results.

43 posted on 08/05/2005 6:35:40 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.)
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To: WestTexasWend

The day care center may be well-meaning, but they are leaving themselves open to a future lawsuit if, for some reason, they don't call and something happens. Or the mother could say falsely, they never called. The call could be traced and verified, of course, but this should not be the responsibility of the daycare center.


44 posted on 08/05/2005 6:39:35 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Cheburashka
I have no objection to BABY SAFE drop off points.

Kinda like "Drug Free Zones" and "Gun Free Zones". Sheesh...do we need the damn government to take responsibility for everything?

(shaking head)

45 posted on 08/05/2005 6:40:43 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.)
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To: brityank
We just had a case in the Pittsburgh PA area, where a baby was left locked in a stadium parking lot in an SUV. Both parents thought the child was with the other and they went inside the stadium separately to enjoy the game. An off-duty policeman busted the window with a flashlight and got the baby out safely.

Inexplicably, neither parent will face charges.

46 posted on 08/05/2005 6:44:49 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: WestTexasWend

Something isn't right here. Pardon me if this sounds crude but this woman actually didn't notice a dead body in the back seat of her car? A dead body that had been there for 9 or so hours in a hot car?

In most cases like this the child fequently vomits before expiring. Surely the mother must have noticed an unsual smell? She never looked in her rear view mirror the whole time she was driving? She never looked in the back seat before getting in the car when she left work? This is very strange.


47 posted on 08/05/2005 7:05:04 PM PDT by thathamiltonwoman
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To: Cheburashka

"Forgetting is not a crime"

Forgetting your lunch is an error. I'll bet you she wouldn't have left twenty thousand in cash in the back seat. What value did she place on this child's life?


48 posted on 08/05/2005 7:14:34 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freeangel
Forgetting your lunch is an error. I'll bet you she wouldn't have left twenty thousand in cash in the back seat. What value did she place on this child's life?


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49 posted on 08/05/2005 9:21:24 PM PDT by Cheburashka
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