Skip to comments.An interview with Christopher Hitchens ("Moral and political collapse" of the Left in the US)
Posted on 08/05/2005 12:06:43 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Well, Phil Hendrie put it very much like Christopher Hitchens. The left claims they are against fascists, dicatators, religious zealots, bigots, and sexists. So here you have Islamo-fascists meeting every criteria and the left is sitting in a cafe, hating America.
Honest people will disagree, but the mot that William F. Buckley likes to quote (wish I could remember who said it) is worth remembering, that "the problem with capitalism is capitalists, but the problem with socialism is socialism." Hitchens seems to understand that, without giving up the point that (as recent trials have shown) the problem with capitalism is capitalists -- a point made about 250 years ago by Adam Smith.
With capitalism, you always need plenty of honest policemen. Of course, the capitalists you are trying to police (like Leona Helmsley with her famous saying: "Paying taxes is for little people!") will try to buy off the police, so you have to be really cool, really tough, and really alert to the sound of bribes hitting a desk somewhere. About eight years ago, Bo Pilgrim, the chicken tycoon, was videotaped from the gallery strolling around the floor of the Texas senate while it was in session, handing out envelopes with serious money in them, as a "thank-you" to helpful senators who'd just voted him a piece of custom-fit legislation. When the video hit the 10 O'Clock News, the embarrassed senators gave the envelopes back -- but Pilgrim never went to prison or even, so far as I know, had to answer any awkward questions.
Business isn't inherently moral; the values of the marketplace are pre-Judaeo-Christian and are often in conflict with society's ideas about civic conduct. Corporate governance, monopoly, oligopoly and oligopsony, tax evasion, and the drive to dominate competitors, suppliers, employees, and customers will always be a problem with private businesses -- a problem that grows exponentially with the size of the enterprises being policed and their ability to evade, forestall, compromise, and defeat the watchdog agencies charged with their oversight.
Bono may be honest, however he is an idiot imo.
If someone declares you his sworn blood-enemy, it isn't necessarily incumbent on you to pay him a visit until he starts messing with you, which I think has been our rule. But when he does, the gloves should come off right away. The idea that declaring you to be anyone's sworn blood enemy should become an unpopular idea.
Pretty telling, isn't it?
And, of course, the brazen shakedown of private businesses by politicians becomes a problem that grows exponentially with the size of government.
By the way, re: your story about Bo Pilgrim. Years ago I remember listening to a radio interview with Gore Vidal who said that his father was a bagman for LBJ - - said he routinely delivered brown paper bags full of cash right to the the man's desk.
Guess all that money must have affected his testicles.
But at least we know now where that mysterious shoebox full of $100 bills came from, that suddenly became a cause notorious in the divorce of Sen. Herman Talmadge of Georgia (who'd been on the Watergate Committee as a representative of paragonship, along with Sen. Montoya of New Mexico, widely believed to be the most corrupt member of the Senate at the time -- that was before Sen Hugh Scott, the minority leader, got caught taking money from Gulf Oil two years after Watergate).
My own theory had been that "Humman" got the shoebox from the late Sen. Richard Russell of Georgia, who in turn probably received it from Lyndon Johnson when he was elevated to the Senate. It was Lyndon's "walking-around money" that he doled out to favored senators, part of his political vig, and before that came from the elder Vidal.
At least that carries us one set of hands further back in the food chain. Like the man said, "follow the money."
Someone needs to write a book, How the Corrupt U.S. Senate Worked Under the Corrupt Lyndon Johnson.
The left was and still is blinded by their hate for Bush IMO. I have said many times, if Bush declared a war on hemorrhoids, every Democrat would want one.
One man's communist is another man's fascist. :-P
But frankly, I don't think there was much of an essential difference between commies and fascists. The ideology of both groups was based on collectivism, and the motivation of both was power-lust.
It was definitely NOT the God of Abraham the Nazis worshipped. The upper echelons of the Party and the SS were deep into the Occult which was where their Secret Doctrine came from. They hated Christianity and its God of Love and would have wiped it out if victorious.
No the Jesuits would not have accepted the ideology at all it was strictly in an organizational sense that the SS modelled itself on the Order. And the elite nature of it.
bump for later read.
May I pilfer your post? I would love to use that line when fighting with leftists.
You may pilfer with reckless abandon. If in the course of use, you would discover why a hemorrhiod is not called an astroid I would appreciate an update. :)
All they scream 'Bush lied, people died'.
I find myself fighting on 4-5 threads at a time. They hate me with a passion. A few conservatives are there, but the left outweighs the right. I have such a great time there.
but the left is not going to 'collapse' ever. It will have to be killed, it will have to be fought and slaughtered every day and every hour of our lives.
Again, I agree. The insidious left is as much a threat to the health of this free nation as AIDS is to the human body. So far, there is no cure or vaccine for either AIDS or Leftism.
Nostalgically, yes. That was before they became the agents of a foreign government, the Soviet Union, and infiltrated the Democratic party from the New York City political machine after WWI. FDR brought the NYC communists into the federal government and there they found a permanent place in the Democratic Party and Washington DC. However, since the fall of the USSR, the Left can come out of the closet. The electorate would have never trusted Bill Clinton with the country had there still been a Soviet Union in 1992.
For instance, California used to be "progressive" Republican in the 1950's to the 1990's. Now it is radical Democrat left and getting to be "oppressive" with the imposition of their "freedoms". The Left have now completed what the railroads did in the 19th. Century. The Left has spanned the Continent.
May I be so bold to venture a guess as to why?
I think that the formation of Israel, in 1948 and its survival, was the first big nail in the USSR's coffin. The Russian Revolution was, essentially, a Jewish revolution. Russia became a place where the Eastern European Jews could be safe and in charge. The Devil that they made the deal with for this security was Marxism. With the reformation of historic Israel, the Jews now had another home, their original home, not an ersatz home like the USSR. It was only a matter of time and a president like Reagan that would start the exodus of Jews to leave Russia and return home to Israel. The secular Democrats have turned on Israel because Israel, besides being an ersatz theocracy, is significantly responsible for the demise of the International Lefts, "Most Favored Nation", the USSR.
Thanks for posting this...
ping for later read.
We can't live on the same planet as them and I'm glad because I dont want to. I dont want to breathe the same air as these psychopaths and murders and rapists and torturers and child abusers. Its them or me.
I'm very happy about this because I know it will be them. Its a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure.
I dont regard it as a grim task at all.
I agree...and I wish I had said that.....
He's still one hundred eighty degrees wrong on Vietnam as two million Cambodians will attest to from the other side.
And his fondness for "Palestinians" ignores their teaching their children to "kill the Zionist wherever you find him"--not endearing to me.
Yet he's bold here and now where it's life or death, and that takes courage. David Horowitz (Radical Son) made a similar break with lemming leftists.
Fine that Hitchens opposes Islamofascists, but dangerous that he consorts with Edward Said. Daniel Pipes depicts Said:
Noted scholar and author Edward Said, whose works include "Covering Islam" and "Orientalism," wrote that Pipes is one of a group of anti-Muslim pundits who seek to "make sure that the '[Islamic] threat' is kept before our eyes, the better to excoriate Islam for terror, despotism and violence, while assuring themselves profitable consultancies, frequent TV appearances and book contracts." (The Nation, 8/12/1996)
The same Edward Said who told a Kuwaiti newspaper some years ago that "the Israeli and U.S. Governments are our enemies" (Al-Qabas, Oct. 7, 1989); he is someone whose judgment we are to respect? And he, the guru of Middle Eastern studies, the president of the Modern Language Association, the celebrity intellectual of Columbia University, and the darling of post-modernists, accuses me of having fashionable politics?
So I don't agree with Hitchens that the U.S. was eevil in Vietnam--in my view we fought evil; nor do I agree with him that we must cater to the "Palestinians" more than to, say, the Manson family.
I do agree with him that Michael Moore and Ernst Röhm will be reunited in a bathhouse in hell.
I do agree with Hitchens' final paragraph which is full of stirring rhetoric (with which I posit Hitchens' collaborator Said will have nothing to do).
Now, on to Tehran and turn Khamenei into a Ceacescu for the New Millenium.
Thanks. I am going to upgrade my FR homepage with a little 'column' I wrote today on the topic.
Anyway, since I am adverse to vanities (since when?, someone shouted) I posted something good I wrote on my profile page... if you like it please post it to a thread if no one else... I would love to see it discussed.
BTW- I am talking about the 'column' and not a joke or something.
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