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Russian Mini-Submarine Stuck on Sea Floor
MYWAY ^ | 5 AUG 2005 | YEVGENY KULKOV

Posted on 08/05/2005 4:12:44 AM PDT by visagoth


Russian Mini-Submarine Stuck on Sea Floor

 

Aug 5, 6:57 AM (ET)

By YEVGENY KULKOV

(AP) A poject 1855 Priz naval mini-submarine is seen in this undated file picture. A similar Russian...
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VLADIVOSTOK, Russia (AP) - A Russian mini-submarine with seven sailors aboard snagged on a fishing net and was stuck on the sea floor off Russia's Pacific Coast, and a Navy spokesman said the seamen had enough air to survive one more day.

Navy authorities scrambled to figure out how to raise the vessel from a depth of some 625 feet. The Interfax news service said Russia's Pacific Fleet commander was in talks with U.S. Navy officials over how the United States might help.

"There is air remaining on the underwater apparatus for a day - one day," Capt. Igor Dygalo said on state-run Rossiya television.

"The operation continues. We have a day, and intensive, active measures will be taken to rescue the AS-28 vessel and the people aboard," he said.

Pacific Fleet spokesman Capt. Alexander Kosolapov said contact had been made with the sailors, who were not hurt, and that authorities were preparing to send down a similar vessel to assess the situation.

The sub's propeller became entangled in a fishing net Thursday, trapping the craft, Dygalo said.

The mini-sub, called an AS-28, was too deep to allow the sailors to swim to the surface on their own or for divers to reach it, officials said.

Dygalo's statement about the amount of air remaining, which he said came after "all the information was checked," followed conflicting statements from officials who said there was enough air for anything from one to five days. The range of estimates may have come because there were seven people aboard the vessel; the crafts usually carry three.

The accident occurred early Thursday after the mini-submarine was launched from a rescue ship during a combat training exercise, Kosolapov said.

Kosolapov said nine warships were in the area to aid the rescue operation.

Officials said the accident occurred in Beryozovaya Bay, approximately 100 miles south of Kamchatka's capital, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.

The accident occurred almost exactly five years after the nuclear submarine Kursk sank to the bottom of the Barents Sea after explosions on board, killing all 118 seamen aboard in a painful blow to the Russian navy. Some of the Kursk's sailors survived for hours after the accident as oxygen ran out, and Russian authorities came under sharp criticism for their handling of the crisis.

The same type of vessel that is now stuck, called a Priz, was used in the rescue efforts that followed the Kursk disaster, Interfax reported.

The AS-28, which looks like a small submarine, was built in 1989. They are about 44 feet long and 19 feet high and can dive to depths of 1,640 feet.

Russian news agencies reported that Japan decided to send four ships in a response to a request for help. A Japanese Marine Self Defense Force spokesman, Mitsyasu Yokoe, said the press service had no information on such a dispatch and could not comment.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: rescue; russia; russian; russianmilitary; sub; submarine; usn
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To: visagoth
I would think bell/saturation divers or JIM SAM WASP or AX suit equiped divers could do this easily depending upon obstructions.


AX suit

A robotic submersible with an airline to an external valve could give them air..if they have an external air valve..

imo

21 posted on 08/05/2005 4:57:28 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: BookaT
It is possible to pipe air. The link in the other posts mentions that they've done this in practice. They are a ways down there, so that's one obstacle to overcome. There's another procedure where they'll deliver essential supplies, via a capsule.

There are also Deep Rescue Vehicles capable of mating with other submarines, I'm not sure if the Russian vehicle is compatible.

The link in a earlier post has a bunch of information on the types of training they conducted. The Russians took part in the exercise this year.

Here's hoping for a good outcome.

22 posted on 08/05/2005 4:58:27 AM PDT by csvset
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To: visagoth; ProudVet77

Russina Navy blunders ping.


23 posted on 08/05/2005 5:02:36 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Coop

Prayers for all aboard. Hope we can help quickly.


24 posted on 08/05/2005 5:04:23 AM PDT by meema
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To: visagoth
...said the seamen had enough air to survive one more day.

That's what they said about the Kursk. These guys are probably dead already.

25 posted on 08/05/2005 5:06:56 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: visagoth
here we go again. anymore, an assignment to a Russian sub is worse than being sent to Siberia.

Maybe they ought to quit fooling around with submarines...

26 posted on 08/05/2005 5:09:47 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: visagoth

Prayers for the sailors.


27 posted on 08/05/2005 5:09:55 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: joesnuffy

John Kerry and his goofy suit poses.

28 posted on 08/05/2005 5:11:50 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: meema
I'm not sure, but I think the sub stuck on the bottom IS the Russian DSRV. It's going to be hard to rescue the rescue ship, if only because they will need to get another DSRV to the location in 24 hrs.

I'm thinking that the best bet would be to send some kind of remotely piloted vehicle down with a grapple and just drag the sub net and all right to the surface. It may sound crude but if the alternative is letting them suffocate, you think you would have to at least try it.

I really hope they get these guys up.
29 posted on 08/05/2005 5:15:30 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: visagoth

A 700 ft roll of cable with a hook on the end wouldn't help?
They have another sub which could maybe snag it.
It sounds like this situation is salvagable.


30 posted on 08/05/2005 5:20:05 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (The Democrat party is the official party of the Morlocks.)
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To: visagoth

625 feet down x 44 psi / 100 feet depth = 275 psi at their depth.

That's a lot of pressure.

Meanwhile, a day is not a long time for a deep rescue operation. Just getting something with the capability to do it is almost guaranteed to take longer.

It's not looking good for these guys. They need a miracle.

I hope one happens.


31 posted on 08/05/2005 5:20:32 AM PDT by Majic (Temporary taxes are as common as temporary death.)
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To: visagoth

Just heard about this on the news, how sad, this is the second time something like this has happened to Russian sailors, bless their souls and their families. I hope they can be rescused but by all accounts it doesn't look like that will happen.


32 posted on 08/05/2005 5:29:00 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (What do you like best about your life?)
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To: GonzoGOP
I'm thinking that the best bet would be to send some kind of remotely piloted vehicle down with a grapple and just drag the sub net and all right to the surface

It would have to have an enormous amount of thrust to overcome the mass of that sub and net.
Not to mention that sub is not just "sitting" on the bottom.
It is being pressed down into it by untold pressure.
If that bottom is not rock, the suction alone would ensure that it may never ascend.

33 posted on 08/05/2005 5:42:50 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Conservative Infidel

34 posted on 08/05/2005 5:45:35 AM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: visagoth

"Too deep for divers to reach..."

Pipin Ferreras has been down to about 160 meters on a single breath with no scuba gear at all. They're not much deeper than that.
Prayers for their safety---and a little ingenuity.


35 posted on 08/05/2005 5:53:41 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: visagoth; Doohickey

Hope we can get them some help: It HAS to be rapid response.

Appropirate that Cold War submarine enemies can help a stranded sailor on the bottom.

(That said, why are the Russians still need to do training on these Special Forces insertion mini-subs?)


36 posted on 08/05/2005 5:53:41 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: Graymatter

He hasn't been working down there cutting 1" cables in fishing nets that he can't see, can't unsnag, and can't can't feel interferences!


37 posted on 08/05/2005 5:54:42 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: bill1952
Not to mention that sub is not just "sitting" on the bottom. It is being pressed down into it by untold pressure.

No, it's not. The sub is experiencing untold pressure yes, but that pressure is coming at it from all sides. The only thing pressing it into the bottom is ordinary gravity.

38 posted on 08/05/2005 5:55:18 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: visagoth

I can see the tuna industry responding already...

"No dolphins... or Russians... were harmed in the making of this tuna."


39 posted on 08/05/2005 5:56:37 AM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: bill1952

Get a big helo or two, run the cables underneath it and lift it off the floor.


40 posted on 08/05/2005 6:04:39 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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