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NCAA deems Utah's "Utes" nickname to be "hostile or abusive"
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 8/5/2005 | Tribune staff and wire services

Posted on 08/05/2005 9:28:11 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Finding the University of Utah's ''Utes'' nickname, along with the nicknames of 17 other colleges, to be ''hostile or abusive,'' the NCAA today banned the use of American Indian mascots by sports teams during its postseason tournaments.

The NCAA's executive committee decided this week the organization did not have the authority to bar Indian mascots by individual schools, committee chairman Walter Harrison said Friday, but by preventing those teams from participating in its playoffs, it effectively is forcing the names to be abandoned nationwide.

The postseason ban begins Feb. 1, 2006. Said Harrison, the University of Hanford's president: ''As a national association, we believe that mascots, nicknames or images deemed hostile or abusive in terms of race, ethnicity or national origin should not be visible at the championship events that we control.''

In addition to the University of Utah, the list includes:

--Alcorn State University (Braves)
--Central Michigan University (Chippewas)
--Catawba College (Indians)
--Florida State University (Seminoles)
--Midwestern State University (Indians)
--University of Utah (Utes)
--Indiana University-Pennsylvania (Indians)
--Carthage College (Redmen)
--Bradley University (Braves)
--Arkansas State University (Indians)
--Chowan College (Braves)
--University of Illinois-Champaign (Illini)
--University of Louisiana-Monroe (Indians)
--McMurry University (Indians)
--Mississippi College (Choctaws)
--Newberry College (Indians)
--University of North Dakota (Fighting Sioux)
--Southeastern Oklahoma State University (Savages)

In November of 2004, the NCAA asked 33 schools were asked to submit self evaluations to the NCAA National Office to determine the extent, if any, of the use of Native American imagery or references on their campuses. Specific aspects of the self evaluations centered on three NCAA Constitution principles that reference cultural diversity and gender equity; the principle of sportsmanship and ethical conduct; and the principle of nondiscrimination.

''The NCAA objects to institutions using racial/ethnic/national origin references in their intercollegiate athletics programs,'' said NCAA President Myles Brand.

''Several institutions have made changes that adhere to the core values of the NCAA Constitution pertaining to cultural diversity, ethical sportsmanship and nondiscrimination,'' Brand said. ''We applaud that, and we will continue to monitor these institutions and others. All institutions are encouraged to promote these core values and take proactive steps at every NCAA event through institutional event management to enhance the integrity of intercollegiate athletics related to these issues.''

Schools will have an opportunity to appeal, the NCAA said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: assinine; mascot; ncaa; pc; utes
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I guess they could rename them the "Utah Sunflowers" until the Sierra Club gets offended and sues.
1 posted on 08/05/2005 9:28:13 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Political Correctness - Tyranny with manners. (I believe Charlton Heston said this).

It's not surprising that the limp wristed NCAA curled in a fetal position and made this ruling. Wimps.


2 posted on 08/05/2005 9:35:07 PM PDT by kb2614 ("Speaking Truth to Power" - What idiots say when they want to sound profound!!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Tune in next week when The Fighting Irish are deemed insensitive to leprechauns


3 posted on 08/05/2005 9:37:37 PM PDT by George Stupidnopolis
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To: George Stupidnopolis

What about the MN Vikings?


4 posted on 08/05/2005 9:38:28 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: kb2614

So what about the Notre Dame Fighting Irish? Why does it pertain to Indian references only? The NCAA's decision seems very racist to me...


5 posted on 08/05/2005 9:38:39 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Eff the NCAA! This PC nonsense has got to stop.


6 posted on 08/05/2005 9:40:42 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: George Stupidnopolis

They should rename the Utes to the "White Trash Rednecks" or "Lardasses". Rural country people and fat people are still fair game (for now).


7 posted on 08/05/2005 9:41:05 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Okay...so call them the Yoots.


8 posted on 08/05/2005 9:42:02 PM PDT by RichInOC (...somebody was going to post it...why not me?)
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To: Paladin2

They're not collegiate, but in the same OT vein, what about the Milwaukee Bucks?;)


9 posted on 08/05/2005 9:43:19 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
How about this from Mystery Science Theater 3000: "The Nummy-Muffin CooCooButters". Now how could anyone object to that? (What do I care? I went to BYU. heh, heh, heh!)
10 posted on 08/05/2005 9:44:38 PM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

what's wrong with the word yute ?

(Pesci) Is it possible, the two "yutes"...
(Judge) Eh, two what?... What was that word?
(Pesci) Ah, what word?
(Judge) Two what?
(Pesci) What?
(Judge) Did you say "yutes"?
(Pesci) Yeah, two "yutes".
(Judge) What is a "yute"?


11 posted on 08/05/2005 9:44:59 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Of course they keep the $$ these programs bring in


12 posted on 08/05/2005 9:45:19 PM PDT by skaterboy (I cry for you)
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The NCAA's executive committee decided this week the organization did not have the authority to bar Indian mascots by individual schools, committee chairman Walter Harrison said Friday, but by preventing those teams from participating in its playoffs, it effectively is forcing the names to be abandoned nationwide.

In other words, the NCAA doesn't have the authority to order teams to change their names but they can harass teams into bending to their stupid PC nonsense agenda.

I have a feeling the NCAA is going to get an earful over this little caper. Cripes, they're still reeling from their stupid BCS legacy. What's wrong with these people?

13 posted on 08/05/2005 9:45:39 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

How about the (University of) Utah Mormons? That would raise few hackles.


14 posted on 08/05/2005 9:46:23 PM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: kb2614
maybe LSU's old nickname should be restored.

Course, if they have to drop UTES, then the military should rename all their helicopters
15 posted on 08/05/2005 9:46:50 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: Reaganesque

I went to Utah State. I'm sure we'll get sued for one reason or another. I'm surprised BYU hasn't been sued by the Sierra Club, they sure have a cougar fetish these days.


16 posted on 08/05/2005 9:48:01 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
to be ''hostile or abusive,

I fing the NCAA'a ruling to be hostile or abusive!

As a sidenote, no one has complained yet about my alma mater from the Sam Houston Institute of Technology...

We were called 'The Turds'...

17 posted on 08/05/2005 9:48:33 PM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: stylin19a

What's next? The military getting sued over their Kiowa helicopters probably.


18 posted on 08/05/2005 9:48:59 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: CommandoFrank

Wow, that's priceless!


19 posted on 08/05/2005 9:49:36 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: stylin19a

...great minds...


20 posted on 08/05/2005 9:50:00 PM PDT by RichInOC (...Fred Gwynne, R.I.P.)
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To: Utah Girl; glock rocks

Hey, y'all checking out this action?


21 posted on 08/05/2005 9:51:24 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Let me get this straight. They're saying that Illinois teams can't call themselves the Illini? On the news this was presented as though they wouldn't let Chief Illinewek perform in a bowl game, or something. Are they really going with an all out Inquistition here ?


22 posted on 08/05/2005 9:51:46 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Guess the Demon Deacons isn't offensive to deacons either.


23 posted on 08/05/2005 9:52:18 PM PDT by ringgold (A pirate looks (back) at 40!)
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To: Frank_2001
what about the Milwaukee Bucks?

Way too capitalist, clearly.

24 posted on 08/05/2005 9:52:55 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

They'll have to have inoffensive, non-sexist, non-aggressive names like "Utah Mungbeans" and Central Michigan University "Meadowgrass".

I'm not a sports fan, so I have no dog in this fight, but politican correctness is actually evil.

Remember a team the "Fighting Whities" a while ago?


25 posted on 08/05/2005 9:53:06 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Paladin2

Toss in the Atlanta Braves and the Cleveland Indians. That Braves chop is offensive and heinous! </sarc>


26 posted on 08/05/2005 9:53:26 PM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
They originally ruled that Iowa State was being hostile to robots:

but they took them off the list

27 posted on 08/05/2005 9:54:33 PM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "ROFLOL!" -- tuliptree76)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
NCAA Constitution pertaining to cultural diversity, ethical sportsmanship and nondiscrimination

Why are they concerning themselves with anything besides fair play on the playing field? Sounds like somebody needs some reining in!

Sports teams are concerned with winning games, period. The racial part is inherently taken care of. You want guys who are the strongest and fastest, not a particular race.

28 posted on 08/05/2005 9:56:10 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: dr_lew

Well just to make them get more PO'd... ILL - INI!!!

Seriously, I don't care so much about the Chief, but I think the nickname is ultra-cool and needs to stay.


29 posted on 08/05/2005 9:56:49 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: RichInOC

yeah...but i'm never first.


30 posted on 08/05/2005 9:57:45 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: dr_lew

On the local news tonight, the Ute Indian big chief was saying that the decision is assinine in the case of Utah. The Utes have always consulted their tribe on such matters. They're happy to have the state and a state university named after them. I'd love to see the Ute tribe sue the NCAA over this.


31 posted on 08/05/2005 9:58:20 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Yep and rolling my eyes. I think the nickname The Running Utes bit the dust a few years ago. The most ironic thing is that the Native Americans around here don't really care about the nickname(s). Political Correctness run amok. (Of course, I don't really care because I went to BYU. LOL.)


32 posted on 08/05/2005 10:00:16 PM PDT by Utah Girl ("Keep your face to the sunshine & you cannot see the shadows" ~Helen Keller)
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To: All
NCAA Constitution pertaining to cultural diversity, ethical sportsmanship and nondiscrimination

NCAA Ode To Faggotry is more like it.

33 posted on 08/05/2005 10:00:47 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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To: CommandoFrank

LOL, I thought I was the only one on this forum that went to The Sam Houston Institute of Technology. Go Turds!!


34 posted on 08/05/2005 10:02:35 PM PDT by Originalist (Clarence Thomas for Chief Justice!!)
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To: GiveEmDubya
As a decendent of Pioneers, I'm offended by the use of the word as a mascot of various HS.

I'm also offended that there is a national/local political party called the Democrats when they are not.

I'm also offended that the NYT calls itself the "NP of record". It's neither a NP nor anything to do with being a record. The RIAA should invesstigate immediately.

35 posted on 08/05/2005 10:03:02 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
That is surprising. Probably on their list of things to do. A couple of more suggestions for the U:

1. Ask Jordan High School if the U of U can use their mascot, "The Beetdiggers".

2. Follow Apple's example. Apple was developing a later version of it's operating system and code named it "Sagan". Carl Sagan objected to it so they renamed it "Butt-headed Astronomer". So the U could name themselves: "NCAA Morons" or "NCAA Pantloads". Something to that effect.

36 posted on 08/05/2005 10:04:56 PM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Brand strikes again. His PC BS took IU athletics and academics down a few notches, and now is delivering the results for NCAA.


37 posted on 08/05/2005 10:05:04 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Perhaps the U should step up to the times.

Aw hell, the Running Redskins portrayed just too much support of the peaceful Ute's accumen and ability of past. We need to accept the local natives. "They" being the aclu lawyers.

I don't understand... are our native American brothers and sisters offended by our acclaiming them as fighters, warriors, and winners???

Fine. Change the name. Big deal. Just next time, name the team after somebody that isn't afraid of being a symbol of success and winning attitude. In the meantime, maybe there's an aclu-friendly queer group that would like to name themselves the native bumhuggers or some such.


38 posted on 08/05/2005 10:08:06 PM PDT by glock rocks (give a man a program - frustrate him for a day... teach a man to program - frustrate him for life.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I said this was going to happen last year and everyone didn't believe me. More PC is to come - this is still the beginning of the end. The head of the NCAA is the former president of Indiana University who along with a cabal of ultra-liberal professors, set up Bob Knight and forced him to be fired. The Knight firing was all a crock, using the weasel son of one of the biggest liberal critics of Knight to provoke Knight into verbally rebuking him. This cabal of professors hated all men's college sports and the conservatism of Knight constantly rankled them. Especially when Knight insisted on a military honor guard to present the American flag before each game. Now they are out to take down all of men's college sports.
39 posted on 08/05/2005 10:08:14 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Accygirl
Seriously, I don't care so much about the Chief,...

Well, I do. Ever notice the mascot for Hawaii? He's the "warrior" and is dressed in native Hawaiian garb, and prances and mugs in the most outrageous fashion. He is evidently exempt from any consideration of offensiveness. The reason is obvious. They are "really" Hawaiians - really natives - and they are authentic. I find this whole setup outrageously offensive. Is the U of H "warrior" going to be the only "native mascot" allowed ? ... on the basis of racialism ?

40 posted on 08/05/2005 10:11:01 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I noticed that the UNC-Pembroke Braves got a pass by the NCAA. I wonder if the Lumbee Indians that comprise a majority of their students and alumni had something to say about it.

On the opposite side of the coin...
My son and I both attend Francis Marion University, our mascot is The Patriot, symbolized by the original Swamp Fox, Col. Francis Marion. I wonder when someone will complain about this insulting and degrading use of a white man's image?

41 posted on 08/05/2005 10:15:01 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
June 17, 2005.............. Seminole Tribe supports use of Seminole name
42 posted on 08/05/2005 10:17:36 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
And how do the Chippewas feel about the NCAA????

In response to yet another outside body trying to influence whether or not Central Michigan University and other schools should employ Native American nicknames, the Saginaw Chippewa Indian Tribe issued a sharply-worded rebuke: Stay out of our business.

That was a JOINT statement from CMU and the Saginaw Chippewa Indians themselves.

43 posted on 08/05/2005 10:18:28 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

Yep, UNC-Pembroke can use the name 'Braves' since the school was originally set up as one for the Lumbee Indians and the alums did have a lot to say in the matter.


44 posted on 08/05/2005 10:24:39 PM PDT by Tarheel (Tarheel born, Tarheel bred, When I die I am Tarheel dead.)
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To: dr_lew
I think the result of this nonsense won't be seen for some years down the road. It has been said liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its' stated intent. People will be afraid to say Indian or any other reference to Native Americans and thus they will be forgotten and fade into oblivion. What a great way to show how much you respect them. Somehow those great battles of years gone by loses something when thought of as the Dallas Cattle People and the Washington Politicians.
45 posted on 08/05/2005 10:30:23 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

"They should rename the Utes to the "White Trash Rednecks" or "Lardasses"."

Sorry, "White Trash Rednecks" was just snatched up by West Virginia University. Apparently they were concerned that "Mountaineers" would soon become offensive to the NCAA, too.

Hey, "Fighting Polygamists" is still up for grabs,...


46 posted on 08/05/2005 10:35:14 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Guess I'll just fade into Bolivia." - Iron Mike Tyson)
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A few years ago the Devils Lake ND High School changed their nickname from the "Satans" and the "Devils Lake Sioux Tribe" changed their name to the "Spirit Lake Nation"

Guess the Devil made 'em do it!

Devils Lake is about 90 miles west of Grand Forks ND, home of the "UND Fighting Sioux." UND spends tons of money on Indian (or is the PC term Native Americans?) programs like "Inmed" (short for Indians in Medicine, I guess "NAmed" doesn't have the same "ring" to it)


47 posted on 08/05/2005 10:37:44 PM PDT by Sgt.Po-Po
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Or call them the Utah Uselesses. Oh no, that will offend the people on welfare and skid row.


48 posted on 08/05/2005 10:51:30 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: little jeremiah
If I remember the story correctly, I believe "Fighting Whities" was a group of Native Americans who chose this for the name of their basketball team. In effect they chose the name that it might be offensive to Caucasians, which I think misses the point altogether.

The attributes of teams named after tribes, warriors, braves is actually meant to be be complimentary to these people.

I don't know about some of the mascots in the big suits. I suppose I might understand how someone might be offended by that, but again I don't really think denigrating or making fun of those tribes is the motivation.

Here in the DC area they go through the PC motions on the Redskins every few years. I've grown so weary of it that I wish they would simply put a potato on their helmets and call it a day. I think all this nonsense is silly.

The NCAA should be more involved in things like making sure that their "student atheletes" do a better job of getting "edjimikated."
49 posted on 08/05/2005 10:52:24 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Guess I'll just fade into Bolivia." - Iron Mike Tyson)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Here's a couple more for good measure. Hope these don't hurt anyone's feelings:

The Oregon Effeminate Lumberjacks

The Notre Dame Fighting Milk Snakes

The UNLV Running Ambulance Chasers

The Marshall Thundering Pacifists

The Villanova Trial Lawyers

The St. John's Inoffensive Twits

The Central Michigan Marginalized Indigenous Peoples

The Syracuse Victims Alliance
50 posted on 08/05/2005 11:07:21 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Pain is only temporary, no matter how long it lasts." - Ray Lewis, Baltimore Ravens)
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