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What irks me here are two things.
1. Chippewa is the proper name of the tribe, and the Chippewa reservation is next to CMU.
2. The Chippewa tribes aren't the ones complaining, but white liberals mostly.

This reminds me of the Eastern Michigan Hurons case where whites demanded a name change, and the Hurons themselves balked.

1 posted on 08/05/2005 10:34:50 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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Bellecourt is just pissy no-one wants to be known as the Minnesota Anishinabe-Ojibwes.


2 posted on 08/05/2005 10:39:19 PM PDT by dangus
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I find the NCAA nameto be offensive asthey are clearly NOT national.


3 posted on 08/05/2005 10:42:15 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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I find the NCAA name to be offensive as they are clearly NOT national.


4 posted on 08/05/2005 10:43:06 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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This sort of garbage doesn't unify but succeeds in agitating and causing friction.


5 posted on 08/05/2005 10:46:18 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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The NCAA is one of the most hypocritical, corrupt, money hungry organizations in the history of Sport. They take millions of dollars on the backs & skills of student athletes yet penalize them for the most venial of "offenses" - & then have the nerve to disallow Indian mascots in the name of supposed political correctness. Unfortunately the wimpjudas university presidents & administrations fall in line with the NCAA for their big paydays every bowl & tournament season. Another symptom of how screwed up our University system has become.
6 posted on 08/05/2005 10:59:41 PM PDT by Apercu ("Res ipsa loquitor")
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How about an All Star Team named the "NCAA PeckerHeads"?
9 posted on 08/05/2005 11:46:56 PM PDT by Khurkris (Ain't life funny?)
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I'd be more offended by names like "Smokers", "Evos", or "Pit Bull Owners"...


10 posted on 08/05/2005 11:50:50 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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If I were one of the larger schools I would sue the NCAA for this exceedinly stupid example of political correctness.

Indians and indian tribes are used as "mascots" becuase of their example of bravery as warriors...how could anything other than that be construed as the meaning?

11 posted on 08/06/2005 12:00:45 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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The NCAA stated that some schools that use Warriors as a nickname, but do not use Indian symbols, would not be affected.

Interesting. Another school, Marquette University, on the other side of Lake Michigan in Milwaukee, former home of the Braves (now of Atlanta), once had the nickname Warriors for their teams. The multi-cultural mullahs got it changed; now they are the Golden Eagles. Back then it was bad, now it is OK?

12 posted on 08/06/2005 12:02:23 AM PDT by gpapa (Voice of reason from the left coast)
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I really wish some athletic department would have the nerve to show up for an NCAA title event sans any references to their normal Indian nickname but play the game in blackface.

Sure, it'll never happen but it would certainly give those crybaby liberals their just desserts.


14 posted on 08/06/2005 12:48:35 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (Visit Club Gitmo - The World's Only Air-Conditioned Gulag.)
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My wife went to CMU(Fire Up Chips!). I spent a lot of time on campus with her over her last 18 months or so. CMU has a number of effective outreach programs to maintain and develop ties with the local tribe. The Chippewa tribe in turn is very appreciative.

Frankly, many of the poor Chippewa people themselves are very appreciative for any kind of recognition, be it a kind word or smile. My wife was a Poly Sci major, and loved to work on campaigns.

She co-managed a campaign for local lawyer running for judge. They were substantially outfunded by the top candidate, so they tried to make up for it with shoe leather. My wife hit every Indian door in the district while the other campaign ignored them. She was continually struck by how grateful many of the Indians were to see this chipper, freshly scrubbed student on their doorsteps.

They won the campaign by less than 500 votes, and did very well in the Indian precincts, which normally had very low turnout.


18 posted on 08/06/2005 5:15:44 AM PDT by TheEditor
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Marquette changed from "Warriors" to "Golden Eagles". Should all patriots be offended because they are demeaning a cousin of our national bird?

Should all farmers be offended by the Nebraska "Cornhuskers"? Especially the way they have that mascot bounce around on the field?

Where is PETA, with all the rodents in the Big Ten and other loveable critters (Ducks, Beavers, Tigers, Buffaloes, Cougars...) that must also be victims of this crime?

If selecting a name is demeaning to the group you have selected, why doesn't any team use names like "Nazis", "Terrorists", "Murderers", "Rapists", "Pedophiles", or "Cowards"? Seems like that would be a great way to furhter insult all these later groups that deserve our disdain.


19 posted on 08/06/2005 5:30:21 AM PDT by leftcoaster
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Why don't teams just pull out of the NCAA? And form their own governing body.


23 posted on 08/06/2005 6:02:37 AM PDT by petitfour
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The NCAA prohibited Mississippi State from hosting a basketball tournament because of Mississippi's state flag. These guys are out of control.


24 posted on 08/06/2005 6:07:02 AM PDT by somniferum
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the NCAA deem "hostile or abusive," including Florida State's use of the Seminole name

Some Indians 'insulted' by the FSU football program and all of its national attention? But they are 'proud' of the gambling casinos, smoke shops and alcoholism on the reservations?

25 posted on 08/06/2005 6:31:19 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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This reminds me of the Eastern Michigan Hurons case where whites demanded a name change, and the Hurons themselves balked

Next some liberal will say that he has talked to wolverines and buckeyes and they also feel insulted, and I'm only half joking.

26 posted on 08/06/2005 6:35:19 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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Much like CMU, Florida State has received permission from the Seminole tribe in Florida to use the nickname. The NCAA, however, made its decision based on a different standard.

"Other Seminole tribes are not supportive," said Charlotte Westerhaus, the NCAA vice president for diversity and inclusion.

I see, so basically, the standard is if a small minority or even if only one person is offended, you can't use the nickname. I'm part Irish, perhaps part Viking (maybe?), can I now get the NCAA to ban the Fighting Irish and Viking mascots? Why not Trojans, Spartans, Cowboys, or any other mascot based on a person. I'm sure SOMEBODY is offended by all of them.

27 posted on 08/06/2005 6:51:30 AM PDT by machman
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Does anyone in their right mind think that schools choose nicknames and logos to be 'abusive and hostile' to Native Americans? Does a nation design a flag for hostile and abusive reasons or does it represent all that is implied by its nickname: "Old Glory"

Nicknames and logos are chosen to associate the school with positive virtues such as courage and steadfastness which are deemed to be part of Native American culture.


28 posted on 08/06/2005 6:51:31 AM PDT by wildbill
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When was the last time CMU was selected for the NCAA basketball tourney, or played in the (division II or III) football playoffs? I'm not trying to be smart, but I suspect that this is aimed more at Florida State (Seminoles). I also wonder how the NCAA proposes to keep the fans from donning warpaint, team logo's and performing the hugely annoying "Tomahawk Chop"?


29 posted on 08/06/2005 7:00:40 AM PDT by Tallguy
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Fortunately, there is an antitrust suit currently against the NCAA. Don't know what we could do to support it (it would break up their monopoly of college sports), but maybe other FReepers could advise.


32 posted on 08/06/2005 7:10:05 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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