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Should Conservatives Give The New York Times a Break?
Townhall.com ^ | 8/6/05 | Mark Tapscott

Posted on 08/06/2005 2:11:28 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
"Should Conservatives give the NYT a break?"

Yeah! Break their cojones!!!

51 posted on 08/06/2005 2:45:49 PM PDT by GOPologist ("On some days you may feel like a dog; on other days you may feel like a hydrant!")
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To: avile

Do you mean the famine in the Ukraine?


52 posted on 08/06/2005 2:46:51 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: wagglebee
The NY Times can be delivered fresh to your home:


53 posted on 08/06/2005 2:48:04 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: wagglebee

Leopard never change their spots.

They would have to prove it by performance , after about 50 years, I might give them the benefit of doubt.


54 posted on 08/06/2005 2:49:46 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: rdb3

How you feeling?

Mighty glad to see you're fracture hasn't slowed you down.


55 posted on 08/06/2005 2:51:19 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: wagglebee

Well, they're not reporting on the Air America scandal, are they?

Keep their feet to the fire.


56 posted on 08/06/2005 2:53:57 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: wagglebee

What's a matter, NY Slimes? Losing money? Crash and burn! Maybe there's some kind and old hearted socialists that will let you move in with them and let you shove crap out of the barn for the collective.


57 posted on 08/06/2005 2:55:14 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: wagglebee
NO. I prefer for them to continue in the twitches of their death throes. Calling themselves a newspaper is an illusion of grandeur on their part.
This is a plastic effort on the part of Keller to save the paper and all the lefties' jobs. God willing, may the wa post follow suit.
58 posted on 08/06/2005 2:57:02 PM PDT by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: wagglebee

He may want to change things, but it's not going very well. Someone over there should be terminated for the Roberts adoption thing. There should be new people hired if they want a different perspective, just attempting to change those who are already there is not enough and will never work.


59 posted on 08/06/2005 3:00:33 PM PDT by McGavin999 ("You must call evil by it's name" GW Bush ......... It's name is Terror)
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To: wagglebee
Should Conservatives Give The New York Times a Break?

Should Reagan have given Gorby a breaK? Should Dubya give Osama a break? I literally believe that the NY Times is a less trustworthy pub than the National Enquirer.

60 posted on 08/06/2005 3:00:55 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: wagglebee

I respect action, not empty words.


61 posted on 08/06/2005 3:01:16 PM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: TASMANIANRED
I'm okay, thanx for asking. Some days are better than others, believe me.


62 posted on 08/06/2005 3:02:17 PM PDT by rdb3 (I once had a handle on life, but I broke it.)
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To: RedRover

The paper covered up both, and the family should rot in hell.


63 posted on 08/06/2005 3:02:44 PM PDT by avile
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To: wagglebee

Is Keller or the NYT's even *aware* that Malkin & Powerline have been kicking their butts all over the internet for the last few weeks?


64 posted on 08/06/2005 3:03:21 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: rdb3

How did they fix you up?

Cast it or plate and screw's.


66 posted on 08/06/2005 3:06:33 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: cripplecreek
Their attitudes would change if the had to face the people they insult on a regular basis.

Their attitudes wouldn't change. They think they're too smart to learn anything from us lowly rubes & they would be too busy expending their energy in trying to get us to adopt their world view to listen. Someone needs to create a 12 step kind of program for them. Then the problem comes with trying to come up with enough people they respect to do their intervention or they won't realize they need the program, specially since most of the people they associate with are akin to a drunks bar buddies.

67 posted on 08/06/2005 3:07:15 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: wagglebee

Buying your local paper is usually just another contribution to the DNC.


68 posted on 08/06/2005 3:07:58 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: wagglebee

The NYTimes is beyond help.


69 posted on 08/06/2005 3:08:31 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Wuli
He's just tweeking his 'Style Book'.

That's NOT gonna do it!

70 posted on 08/06/2005 3:10:57 PM PDT by meema
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To: wagglebee
Keller conceded that "even sophisticated readers of The New York Times sometimes find it hard to distinguish between news coverage and commentary in our pages."

Oddly, non-sophisticated readers can easily tell there isn't any distinguishing difference between the two.

71 posted on 08/06/2005 3:12:35 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: wagglebee

Ever since the Sulzbergers sold their souls to Felix Dherzinsky and became Joe Stalin's paper of record in 1930s. The Times "newsroom" has been a cesspool of useful idiots and fellow travelers busy sucking up to their masters, at every opportunity. Even with the fall of the Soviet Union, old habits die hard.


72 posted on 08/06/2005 3:13:54 PM PDT by Agent Smith (Fallujah delenda est. (I wish))
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To: wagglebee

Via Powerline:

I commented last night on the fact that the New York Times has yet to run a single word on the Air America scandal. I gently surmised that this might have something to do with the paper's biases, or, perhaps, the fact that investigating Air America would require work--you know, actual investigation--as opposed to merely quoting Democratic Party officials.

It turns out that I wronged the Times, and I apologize for underestimating the paper's investigative capability. It turns out that the Times is still capable of investigating wrongdoing. In fact, it has been busily investigating John Roberts' children, aged five and four.

I can't add much to what Drudge and Michelle Malkin have written. The Times admits that it has been checking into the adoption of Roberts' children, as Drudge reported. As usual, the Times denounces Drudge, but doesn't identify anything he wrote which is incorrect. Worst of all, the paper describes its investigation into the Roberts children's adoptions as "initial inquiries" which "detected nothing irregular about the adoptions." Apparently the investigation came up dry and was suspended.

The Times explained further that "We report extensively on the life and career of any nominee or candidate for high public office," implying that checking into "irregularities" in adoptions is something they do for "any nominee or candidate for high public office." I really wonder about that. I'd be curious to know when the Times last investigated the "regularity" of an adoption by a Democratic office-seeker.

In any event, now that the Times' investigation into John Roberts' four and five year old children has fizzled out and been abandoned, can they free up some resources to start checking into Air America's financial chicanery?

UPDATE: Brit Hume reports:

The New York Times (search) has been asking lawyers who specialize in adoption cases for advice on how to get into the sealed court records on Supreme Court nominee John Roberts' two adopted children.
Sources familiar with the matter told FOX News that at least one lawyer turned the Times down flat, saying that any effort to pry into adoption case records, which are always sealed, would be reprehensible.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/


73 posted on 08/06/2005 3:14:33 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Fenris6

Post 73: Powerline just disemboweled the NY Slimes with a straight razor.


74 posted on 08/06/2005 3:17:24 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: wagglebee

And Malkin (who never seems to sleep):

Number of NY Times articles mentioning Air America since March 2004: 59

Number of NY Times articles mentioning the Air Enron scandal: 0
(Via Nexis)

It seems we're not the only ones monitoring the MSM's near-total blackout of Air America's financial shenanigans. New York Times ombudsman Byron Calame (public@nytimes.com) is "closely watching" the Air America story and how it is handled by the paper, according to an e-mail sent by Mr. Calame's assistant to a Power Line reader.

Fortunately, plenty of others are covering the story while the Times twiddles its thumbs. The latest:

Investor's Business Daily
Washington Times
New York Post
Power Line
Radio Blogger
Hugh Hewitt (Hugh's new Daily Standard column is here).
Edward Morrissey
Rush Limbaugh
Austin Bay
Leon H. at Macho Nachos has a follow up on Air America and legal matters
Scrappleface spoofs: "Air America Hires Dan Rather as Scandal Spokesman"

The New York Sun's David Lombino is undoubtedly digging further.

And, of course, Brian Maloney at the Radio Equalizer remains the first and last stop for news and analysis.

The conclusion of Hugh's Daily Standard column today is worth repeating:

We know a lot about the medications Rush Limbaugh has taken.
We know a great deal about Bill O'Reilly's troubles.

But thus far we don't know much about how Al Franken got paid the big bucks last year, when all of the mainstream media seemed to be cheering his debut.


Last month, the Times's executive editor, Bill Keller, trumpeted the newspaper's new committment to "to stretch beyond our predominantly urban, culturally liberal orientation, to cover the full range of our national conversation."

We're waiting...

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003175.htm


75 posted on 08/06/2005 3:17:37 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: peyton randolph
It certainly would change overnight if half of the current staff was fired and replaced with conservatives.

Exactly, whatever happened to diversity in the workplace

76 posted on 08/06/2005 3:17:51 PM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: wagglebee
From the article: "...and to portray lives both more radical and more conservative than those most of us experience. "

This comment no doubt has encouraged any number of NYT reporters to begin writing a series of articles examining such varied personalities as Mao Tse-tung, Karl Marx, and Fidel Castro.

The moral equivalency stated in the article suggests that conservative viewpoints are just as deserving as liberal viewpoints. No conservative should ascribe to such nonsense. So-called "conservative" viewpoints are rational and correct and liberal viewpoints are irrational and incorrect.

The only outcome for which conservatives should hope is that the NYT suffers an embarassing bankruptcy, laying off their undeserving and unemployable staff, and refunding subscription and advertising money.

Sometimes it is best to "crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!" Should be fun.

77 posted on 08/06/2005 3:21:20 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: wagglebee

a break?!?! Not just no, HELL NO!

The NYT should cease all publication.

Its history of pandering to the left has long abdicated its right to continue.


78 posted on 08/06/2005 3:25:23 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee
This completely ignores the other part of NYT bias. It's not just commentary bleeding into the news. It's the decision on what they do or do not report - e.g., the Err America scandal, or Bubba's & Hitlery's _______(fill in the blank) scandal - that demonstrates just as much bias and distorts the historical record. The Times is what it is, and will always be until Pinch dies: a Demonrat Party organ. (I'm not saying which organ.) They just don't like that people are noticing that.
79 posted on 08/06/2005 3:28:24 PM PDT by Nevermore (Mad as Zell)
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To: William Tell

There is only one problem with your final statement, based on some of the humor here, most of the staffers have no "their women". Lamnantations of their girly men does not have the same ring.


Seriously though, you are right you can not save or redeme the NYT. It has to be eliminated and shut down PERMANENTLY.


80 posted on 08/06/2005 3:30:16 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: rdb3

Hang in there! It will get better.
Glad you got back so quickly.


81 posted on 08/06/2005 3:31:52 PM PDT by meema
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To: wagglebee

NO! NO! NO! NEVER!





82 posted on 08/06/2005 3:33:08 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Nevermore

Their employees need to be driven from the entire media industry too.

It is not enough for the NYT to close its doors, the employees must never again be given even the TINIEST journalist job.


83 posted on 08/06/2005 3:33:08 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

"Seriously though, you are right you can not save or redeme the NYT. It has to be eliminated and shut down PERMANENTLY."

Nah, I prefer to see them twist in the wind. Their campaign of disinformation helps keep the Left lame & lazy. They are one of the reasons liberals haven't had a new idea in the last decade, while conservative philosophy has been through the crucible and come out leaner & meaner.


84 posted on 08/06/2005 3:36:47 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: wagglebee
"Should Conservatives Give The New York Times a Break?"


NO!


Jack.

85 posted on 08/06/2005 3:36:54 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: rdb3

Hang in there! It will get better.
Glad you got back so quickly.


86 posted on 08/06/2005 3:37:46 PM PDT by meema
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To: wagglebee
“about portraying religious conservatives in an interesting and three-dimensional way.”

I'll believe it when they use three dimensions other than stupid, violent, and bigoted.

87 posted on 08/06/2005 3:40:28 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

Really, I'd settle for "an accurate way."


88 posted on 08/06/2005 3:41:16 PM PDT by Generic_Login_1787
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To: wagglebee
How about instead we burn it to the ground and plow the ground it rested on with salt? I don't want a reformed NYT. I want an unread bankrupt fish wrapper for a half dozen dying widows on the upper west side.
89 posted on 08/06/2005 3:42:10 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: wagglebee

Except that we've heard this old saw from left-wing media many times before just as we hear from the Democrat Party how it must "appeal" to people of faith and people more conservative than they are. And after about 15 minutes of hand-wringing and breast-beating, they go right back to calling us single-chromosome Bible-thumping yahoos with only two functioning neurons.

I particularly love the "inclusive" outreach the local paper does on Sundays where the local religion editor makes sure to write about something offensive to most Christians, whether it be about gay ministers, wacko left churches or people who think this whole Christ thing is just "too extreme". Then when local Christians react negatively, the paper fumes about "Bible-thumping fundies" and goes back to their staple Christian-bashing.

Give the Times a break? Um, no. Not until they show that they are serious about changing themselves and not just bitching about not being understood and accepted by the very people they routinely and reflexively insult.


90 posted on 08/06/2005 3:44:43 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Visit Club Gitmo - The World's Only Air-Conditioned Gulag.)
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To: King Prout
"however, they shall have no "break" from me until they earn it.

talk is cheap."

well said

91 posted on 08/06/2005 3:45:49 PM PDT by A message (RINOs and Democrats must be voted out of office for the safety of our nation.)
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To: wagglebee
The Old Gray Whore needs to make one simple change, and then I will no longer will have a problem with them.

They should put on the front page a new motto "Fighting For One World Government Under Socialism".

Then they can keep lying, distorting, shading, slandering, and spiking all they want in the text of their articles--and everyone will be reminded of their agenda.
92 posted on 08/06/2005 3:50:07 PM PDT by cgbg (I suffer from Stockholm Syndrome--"Your papers, please. No smoking here.")
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To: A message

thanks - and great (unintentional?) irony ;)


93 posted on 08/06/2005 3:51:32 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

The liberals can perfectly see a "wall of separation" in the First Amendment where it doesn't exist but they refuse to see a "wall of separation" between news reporting and editorialization that ought to exist.


94 posted on 08/06/2005 3:51:42 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Visit Club Gitmo - The World's Only Air-Conditioned Gulag.)
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To: wagglebee
"Should Conservatives Give The New York Times a Break?"

I think we should give them a break, like 5 minutes and then,

BACK ON YOUR HEADS IN THE PILE OF DUNG YOU GO....

95 posted on 08/06/2005 4:03:43 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (I want a Justice on the SCOTUS that INTTERPUTS law, not make laws.)
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To: wagglebee
The short answer to the question posed is: NO!

The logic for this response is given by this condescending quote from the article:

our news coverage needs to embrace unorthodox views and contrarian opinions

The only legitimate response to this quote is: F**CK YOU!

96 posted on 08/06/2005 4:04:39 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: Jeff Gordon

As far as the New York Slimes is concerned, patriotism, belief in God and a desire for the sanctity of marriage are "unorthodox views and contrarian opinions."


97 posted on 08/06/2005 4:06:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: King Prout
unintentional :)
98 posted on 08/06/2005 4:23:39 PM PDT by A message (RINOs and Democrats must be voted out of office for the safety of our nation.)
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To: wagglebee
Should Conservatives give the New York times a break?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha, are you SERIES? LMAO

99 posted on 08/06/2005 4:34:39 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (What do you like best about your life?)
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To: wagglebee
Should Conservatives give the New York times a break?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha, are you SERIES? LMAO!

100 posted on 08/06/2005 4:35:00 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (What do you like best about your life?)
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